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Mambo Minnow posted 09-23-2013 04:38 PM ET (US)   Profile for Mambo Minnow   Send Email to Mambo Minnow  
Boston Whaler announced via social media today that they have a pending major announcement next week. As yet, unspecified. Anyone spill the beans at Newport International Boat Show last week?

[The announcement revealed new DAUNTLESS models, discussed later in this thread.--jimh]

jamesmylesmcp posted 09-23-2013 04:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for jamesmylesmcp  Send Email to jamesmylesmcp     
Look for a redesigned 345 Conquest.
frontier posted 09-23-2013 05:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for frontier  Send Email to frontier     
Could it be giving customers outboard brand choice?
Do you think management finally realized a high quality boat like Boston Whaler deserves an outboard brand of the customers own choosing?
WOW. If that's the case, Whaler sales could double!
pcrussell50 posted 09-23-2013 06:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for pcrussell50  Send Email to pcrussell50     
Possible guesses:

1) A desirable fantasy: They will re-release the classic hulls up to and including the Outrage 17, with buyer's preference of engine make.

2) Probable reality: They will announce something so far from (1) above that most of us will yawn. A new Outrage 500 with quad Verados, maybe?

3) The long odds: They will recertify the max horsepower ratings of their current hulls to better match the nearly doubled weight they displace versus the classics. Eg: The poor Sport 130 which we repeatedly hear can barely plane with 40hp and a medium load, ought to be recertified for 70hp.

-Peter

pete r posted 09-23-2013 07:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
A new Conquest/Outrage to slot back into the 21' range so owners can tow them with a normal SUV
macfam posted 09-23-2013 08:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for macfam  Send Email to macfam     
http:/ / www. 4-traders. com/ BRUNSWICK-CORPORATION-11779/ news/ Brunswi ck-Corporation--Boston-Whaler-is-Honored-with-Tenth-Consecutive-NMMA-Cus tomer-Satisfaction-A-17290373/

This is an announcement that they have won an NMMA award doe 10 consecutive years.

jimh posted 09-23-2013 10:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
In the above linked article, I found this sentence to be interesting:

"...said Huw Bower, president of Boston Whaler...'we continue to innovate and expand our lineup with bigger, bolder and more versatile new models....'"

With Boston Whaler already making a 37-foot boat, it will be interesting to see just how much bigger the Boston Whaler boat can become.

I noticed that Sea Ray has a really over-the-top 35-foot open bow rider that has seating for 18 people. Really? Eighteen people? I don't even know 18 people that I would want to take out on a boat, at least not 18 people that would all get along with each other on a 35-foot boat for a day. (I don't see the boat on the Sea Ray website, but I saw it in a magazine advertisement.)

I hope the innovative, bigger, and bolder Boston Whaler is not a 35-foot bow rider.

jcdawg83 posted 09-24-2013 09:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for jcdawg83    
I imagine it will be an announcement of some new model that no one wants or can afford.
jimh posted 09-24-2013 01:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
There are already many new models that I want, it is just that I can't afford them. I would swap my classic for a CONQUEST 345 and probably never look back, but it is that $375,000 difference in value that is stopping me from making the deal.
Spuds posted 09-25-2013 05:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Spuds    
I would hate to spend $375,000 and only to have people confuse it with a Sea Ray....
frontier posted 09-25-2013 11:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for frontier  Send Email to frontier     
Let's see now... $375,000 - that about 37 nice, classic Montauks with newer power.
saumon posted 09-25-2013 11:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for saumon  Send Email to saumon     
"Let's see now... $375,000 - that about 37 nice, classic Montauks with newer power."

Did you mean "quiet power"?

pete r posted 09-26-2013 12:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for pete r  Send Email to pete r     
I couln't affort the fuel to run a 345
martyn1075 posted 09-26-2013 02:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
I would agree a 20 foot cuddy boat would be appreciated. I don't think that would be a major announcement for Boston Whaler. Its more like a 40 foot Outrage. Have to say a retro model in the 22 Outrage/Cuddy in a new modern twist with t-top would be very sweet, and original I might add.
jimh posted 09-26-2013 07:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
If someone gave me a 345 Conquest, I'd find a way to afford the fuel. Now the winter storage bill, and the slip fees--that might be a bigger problem.
OMCrobert posted 09-26-2013 01:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for OMCrobert  Send Email to OMCrobert     
[Changed topic. Please start a new thread for your new topic. A few replies on this new topic have been eliminated from the thread--jimh]
PeteB88 posted 09-26-2013 10:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
My bet is kayaks and jet skis.
elenakagan posted 09-27-2013 07:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for elenakagan  Send Email to elenakagan     
A re-designed RAGE 14, a reintroduction of the classic 15, or maybe a new 9-footer with a 2.5-HP Verado.
Fishcop posted 09-27-2013 09:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Fishcop  Send Email to Fishcop     
JimH,

"I noticed that Sea Ray has a really over-the-top 35-foot open bow rider that has seating for 18 people. Really? Eighteen people? I don't even know 18 people that I would want to take out on a boat, at least not 18 people that would all get along with each other on a 35-foot boat for a day."

That is the best I have read in a while! Amen to that!!!

I have a 30' Whaler that I won't take more than four or five on with me...Not even if they beg and pay for fuel. Well, maybe if they pay for fuel ;-)


Thanks for the grin!

Andy

Mambo Minnow posted 09-29-2013 09:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
I own [both newer and older Boston Whaler boats and] value both models. Their expanded Montauk model line all the way to 21-feet now replicates the Outrage models up to 22-feet. I do wish they would replicate the smaller Revenge models, which is why I will keep my Conquest 21.

In a bad economy, the builders seem to rely on sales of the largest models.

The latest announcement shows a bow sun lounge pad with an inclined backrest. It appears to be their Dauntless 23 model pictured. Perhaps they are updating the seating options on the existing 10 new models.

jimh posted 09-29-2013 09:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Mambo writes, with quite good insight:

quote:
In a bad economy, the builders seem to rely on sales of the largest models.

This is a very cogent observation. I see this reflected in Boston Whaler. I recall being at the Miami International Boat Show when the 345 CONQUEST was introduced, I think about four or five years ago. At that time, the 345 CONQUEST was the largest and most expensive Boston Whaler boat made. The boat was beautiful, but I was shocked at the price, which, as I recall, was about $425,000. I was similarly shocked when, at noon of the first day of the exhibition, I was told that six 345 CONQUEST boats had already been sold. That represented a sales of over $2.5-million. One does not need a Ph.D in Math or Marketing to understand that in order to generate $2.5-million in revenue you would have to build and sell a very large number of 13-foot skiffs to middle-income boaters who thought they had a bit of discretionary income to splurge on their recreation.

jimh posted 10-01-2013 02:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
It has been a week since this thread began. Has an announcement been made?
Mambo Minnow posted 10-02-2013 03:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
Boston Whaler are introducing a new line of Dauntless models at the Annapolis Power Boat Show tomorrow. I am no longer working in the area, so if someone else goes, please take pictures and share!
jimh posted 10-03-2013 07:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
[Moved to POST-CLASSIC]
elenakagan posted 10-03-2013 08:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for elenakagan  Send Email to elenakagan     
So what was the buzz?
Ridge Runner posted 10-04-2013 06:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ridge Runner  Send Email to Ridge Runner     
New Dauntless Family: http://www.bostonwhaler.com/Page.aspx/pageId/29576/Dauntless.aspx
elenakagan posted 10-06-2013 04:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for elenakagan  Send Email to elenakagan     
Impressive.
jimh posted 10-07-2013 10:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I browsed all the images for the 270 DAUNTLESS. I enjoyed seeing the details of the boat's rigging. As expected, it looks excellent.
frontier posted 10-08-2013 10:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for frontier  Send Email to frontier     
Dauntless pricing is interesting.
The new 270 Dauntless is $107,894 base - no options.
280 Outrage is $174,976 - base.

170 Dauntless is $38,609 - base.
170 Montauk is $29,471 - base.

Add 10-20% for common options = WOW that's big money!
Is it any wonder a good, used classic 17 sells for $10-$16K?

Mambo Minnow posted 10-08-2013 03:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
No doubt a big check to stroke. However, it does appear there are far more "standard" features today that would have been considered options on past classics.
jimh posted 10-09-2013 09:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
There is a very nice article in SOUNDINGS-TradeOnly this month which profiles a competitor boat builder, the REGULATOR company. I mention this because contained in the article is a very interesting observation from the owners of REGULATOR. They note that their boats were initially designed to be offshore fishing boats, with an emphasis on the ride characteristics and an overall design for fishing. However, with the very significant increase in the price of their boats, and in all boats in general over the past 25 years, they have modified their boats to become more family-friendly, to have more comforts and amenities, and to incorporate features other than just those for fishing.

The reason for REGULATOR changing the design of their boats is the price tag. REGULATOR's owners suggest that a new boat with a price tag of over $100,000 has to be something that the whole family can enjoy using, not just dad's fishing boat. It seems clear this same approach to boat design has been used in the new Boston Whaler DAUNTLESS models. These DAUNTLESS boats are expensive boats, and they are designed to be able to do more than just allow dad to go fishing. They are designed to allow a wider range of uses, so the whole family can use and enjoy the boat.

There certainly has been a very significant increase in the price of Boston Whaler boats in the past decade, and the rise in disposable income for the average family has not kept pace with boat price increases. But even for wealthy families with enough income to buy a new boat at over $100,000 cost, there is probably increased pressure that such an investment have some return for the whole family, not just for dad.

Another observation from the owners of REGULATOR that I found quite appropriate for this discussion was their explanation of why they were introducing a new model of their most popular boat: new models sell. This may explain why we see Boston Whaler constantly churning their boat model line-up, dropping old models and adding new ones. If new models tend to sell better than old models, it explains a lot of the changes we see yearly with Boston Whaler.

Finally, the article also contained the mention of the cost of tooling needed to produce a new 25-foot boat: about $1,000,000. I was quite surprised at that figure; it was higher than I thought it would be. I also speculate that Boston Whaler boats might need even more expensive tooling, due to the nature of the Unibond hull and its special mold requirements. If there is an up-front cost of $1,000,000 to produce a new boat model, one would expect that the boat would have to sell well and remain in the line for many years in order to recover those costs.

By the way, because REGULATOR is privately owned and owned by a man-and-wife team, it seemed like the owners were able to speak quite openly and freely about their business, their costs, and their approach to design and marketing. I don't think you can get quite that same clarity from corporate-owned entities. This made the article about REGULATOR quite interesting.

kline posted 10-10-2013 10:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for kline    
So does anyone know or wish to venture a guess as to the price of the new 21' Dauntless?
martyn1075 posted 10-10-2013 01:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
If the 210 Montauk base is $50,000 and a 190 Outrage base is about the same, [I am] guessing a new DAUNTLESS is probably another $12,000 to $15,000 more. Why? Not totally sure. Both the Montauk and 190 Outrage are very simple boats in design leaving out many big boat features. The interior with the forward seating and much needed storage will make Whaler want to charge more. I will say $65,000 base, [and] with options maybe $75,000 to $80,000. Add tax, shipping, and all other dealer paper work stuff: close to $95,000 to hook that baby on your Mercedes SUV.

I know a very nice 22 Dauntless for sale under $40,000 right now and it comes with a trailer.

Martyn

kline posted 10-14-2013 09:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for kline    
So how about some pics!
fishgutz posted 10-15-2013 09:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for fishgutz  Send Email to fishgutz     
Prices and pictures are all here: http://www.bostonwhaler.com/Page.aspx/pageId/33910/Build-Your-Boat.aspx
martyn1075 posted 10-16-2013 01:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
The DAUNTLESS has an impressive amount of options available for the purchaser to choose from. Far more than any other 19-21 foot model they offer. I added close to 50k in dealer options alone. Thats getting near the base price. It is no surprise that dealer options are almost always pricey, but I have to question the aluminum trailer for $6866.00 and T-top with storage for $7313! Sun lounge for 3K. Between the three that boat is now equipped for...

$17,179.00 There are many who's entire boat budget is less than this.

Jefecinco posted 10-16-2013 10:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     
For the fun of it I priced the new 190 Montauk with almost identical options. I choose the 150 HP Verado engine as my 135 HP Verado is no longer available.

The total price, not including any dealer charges such as documentation or freight, was $46,000.

That was excellent news as it directly impacts the resale value of my boat by helping to keep the price high. I'm quite confident I could sell my Montauk for as much or slightly more than I paid for it.

Boston Whaler boats are very expensive but continue to offer good value. Even in the new boat market once you can get past the price of admission you can remain with the brand for decades at a reasonable cost. The used market is even better.

Butch

martyn1075 posted 10-16-2013 12:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for martyn1075  Send Email to martyn1075     
I think you are correct with the models up to 21 feet and new era Whalers. After that they are really hard to sell especially the larger classics. The return on a brought back to life classic is very weak in comparison on what it cost to bring it back and it takes a certain buyer to even consider it.

Martyn

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