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by msteinkampf
Sun Feb 04, 2024 9:08 am
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number
Replies: 22
Views: 1746

Re: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number

Out of curiosity, I emailed Boston Whaler Customer Service to inquire what tool was used to generate the HIN tag for their hulls. I received the following reply: Unfortunately, as with other aspects of our tooling and techniques, this is proprietary production information which we are unable to rele...
by msteinkampf
Wed Jan 24, 2024 6:10 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number
Replies: 22
Views: 1746

Re: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number

The duplicate HIN tag on my 1990 Montauk 17 is in the same location. See here for some discussion of duplicate or "hidden" HINs: https://continuouswave.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7600&p=44288&#p44288

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by msteinkampf
Sun Dec 31, 2023 1:08 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number
Replies: 22
Views: 1746

Re: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number

JimH wrote: The molded-in HIN number seen in Figure 16 for c.1973 hull looks like it was done with a Dymo Tape Label printer. But I am trying to figure out how the process was accomplished. The hull is molded in a female contact mold, so the plastic tape must have been stuck inside the mold for the...
by msteinkampf
Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:27 am
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number
Replies: 22
Views: 1746

Re: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number

Thanks for posting those HINs Alan. I thought that HIN application had progressed from metal tags (up through about 1995), transitioning to molded-in numbers in 1996, but you have disproven that. I just found a 1973 Sport 13 with a molded-in HIN on the starboard side. HIN 1973Sport13.jpg (Original p...
by msteinkampf
Wed Dec 20, 2023 3:36 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number
Replies: 22
Views: 1746

Re: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number

I agree with Jim that relying on the claim of an owner to determine the model year of a boat is a dubious proposition, especially if that boat is for sale, so I respectfully suggest that anyone who wants to post information about a particular style or location for their HIN tag in this discussion in...
by msteinkampf
Fri Dec 08, 2023 4:40 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number
Replies: 22
Views: 1746

Re: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number

I agree with your sentiments about the suboptimal quality of these photos, but it is a matter of reproducing a thumbnail image at even lower resolution. The best I can provide is a cropped image of the clearest shot I found of the "orange HIN". Hopefully there are some owners of 1996-1997 ...
by msteinkampf
Fri Dec 08, 2023 4:30 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number
Replies: 22
Views: 1746

Re: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number

HIN tags on early "banana hull" Outrage models were mounted vertically on the port side of the transom. Here are some examples.

Outrage21_1977HIN.jpg
Fig. 9. This very poor resolution image is said to show a vertically oriented HIN on the port side of a 1977 OUTRAGE 21 boat.
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Outrage21_1974HIN tag.jpg
Fig. 10. This very poor resolution image is said to show a HIN tag mounted on the port side of thetransom pf 1974 OUTRAGE 21.
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Outrage21_1975NoHIN.jpg
Fig. 11. This very poor resolution image is said to show the holes in the transom where once a HIN tag was installed on a 197 OUTRAGE 21.
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by msteinkampf
Fri Dec 08, 2023 3:08 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number
Replies: 22
Views: 1746

Re: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number

Here are other examples of the "orange HIN" that I encountered:

OrangeHIN4.jpg
Fig. 6. A boat believe to be a 1997 model year boat with what is said to be a molded-in HIN using orange gel coat resin.
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OrangeHIN2.jpg
Fig. 7. A boat that is said to be a 1997 model year and to have an orange molded-in HIN number.
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OrangeHIN3.jpg
Fig. 8. A boat said to be a 1999 model year with what is claimed to be a molded-in HIN using orange gel coat resin.
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by msteinkampf
Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:41 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number
Replies: 22
Views: 1746

Re: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number

Just before my previous post, I had spent some time looking at Boston Whaler boats for sale on Boat Trader. Of the 1,781 Whalers listed, there were 146 with photographs of the stern for the model years 1967 to 2005. The boat sizes ranged from 11 feet to 32 feet. For the seven boats that were listed ...
by msteinkampf
Thu Nov 30, 2023 9:41 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Federal Hull Identification Number for 1988 13-footer
Replies: 14
Views: 2506

Re: Federal Hull Identification Number for 1988 13-footer

I suspect your opinion is shared by some other boat manufacturers. Of the 20 or so brands of fiberglass boats that I looked at on Boat Trader, only one (Ranger) uses metal tags for their HINs. I did see three brands of aluminum boats with metal tags, though.

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by msteinkampf
Thu Nov 30, 2023 2:53 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number
Replies: 22
Views: 1746

Method of Indicating Federal Hull Identification number

[Moderator's note: This topic has been separated from another discussion regarding interpretation of the HIN for a particular boat. This new topic, questioning the time frame when Boston Whaler began to use molded-in HIN numbers is a very interesting topic and deserves its own separate thread.] Jimh...
by msteinkampf
Tue Oct 10, 2023 4:09 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: When to Replace Fuel Tank
Replies: 7
Views: 3712

Re: When to Replace Fuel Tank

Thanks for pointing that out. Perhaps the additional hatches allow access to the fuel sender. If so, the Welding World unit should work without modification.

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by msteinkampf
Mon Oct 09, 2023 12:30 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: When to Replace Fuel Tank
Replies: 7
Views: 3712

Re: When to Replace Fuel Tank

I think the advice given by Jim and Phil is reasonable, but I do have some additional suggestions and comments. While it is certainly true that there is no "expiration date" for aluminum fuel tanks, problems do become more likely as the tank ages; the risk of fuel tank failure also depends...
by msteinkampf
Thu Aug 10, 2023 4:56 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Corian® and the Classic Whaler
Replies: 1
Views: 1854

Corian® and the Classic Whaler

When I renovated my kitchen several years ago, I kept the old countertops, still in good shape, that had been made from Corian ® , a Dupont product manufactured by combining a mineral (aluminum trihydroxide) with an acrylic polymer. The color of my old countertops was “Bisque”, and I think this was ...
by msteinkampf
Thu Aug 10, 2023 3:05 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on a Montauk 17
Replies: 11
Views: 3902

Re: Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on a Montauk 17

After finishing the jack plate installation, I spent five days in Louisiana fishing. It seemed like raising the engine so that the ventilation plate was 3-inches-above-the-keel was optimal for performance in a moderate chop, but where the device really excelled was in shallow water. We were once blo...
by msteinkampf
Wed Jul 12, 2023 5:08 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: ClampTite Tool for Gasoline Fuel Hose Fittings
Replies: 1
Views: 1811

Re: ClampTite Tool for Gasoline Fuel Hose Fittings

I was researching construction of a circulating livewell for my 1990 Montauk 17 when I ran across mention of a making hose clamps using a Clamptite tool ( https://clamptitetools.com/ ). This is a device that exerts tension on loops of wire to form a clamp that gives uniform tension around a hose. Th...
by msteinkampf
Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:08 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: ClampTite Tool for Gasoline Fuel Hose Fittings
Replies: 1
Views: 1811

ClampTite Tool for Gasoline Fuel Hose Fittings

Q1: Can a ClampTite tool be used with gasoline fuel hose fittings?

https://clamptitetools.com/
by msteinkampf
Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:52 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Repair of Unused Fastener Holes in Transom
Replies: 5
Views: 2270

Re: Repair of Unused Fastener Holes in Transom

There are several ways to repair fastener holes in a transom, and they each have their advantages and disadvantages. They all share a [two initial steps]: ⋅ use a drill to remove any rotted wood, and ⋅  chamfer the gel coat with a chamfering bit A large drill bit for to chamber t...
by msteinkampf
Thu Jun 08, 2023 12:31 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: FOUR QUESTION on FOUR TOPICS
Replies: 3
Views: 1863

Re: FOUR QUESTION on FOUR TOPICS

I clean Z-legs with a pressure washer. This method works well. No paint or sanding is required.

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by msteinkampf
Mon May 29, 2023 9:53 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: 1998 Mercury 135XL dies at idle speed
Replies: 2
Views: 2249

Re: 1998 Mercury 135XL dies at idle speed

Is this the carburetor version or the direct fuel injection (OptiMax) model? My review of the parts list on Crowley Marine indicate that both models were available in 1998.

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by msteinkampf
Wed May 17, 2023 12:16 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on a Montauk 17
Replies: 11
Views: 3902

Re: Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on a Montauk 17

Thanks for your interest. As you can see from the previous photos, I'm using a 3-blade stainless prop. The diameter is 13 inches, and here is the model and pitch info: BW prop.jpg I would be happy to provide you with the performance data you requested as soon as I am able to return the boat to the l...
by msteinkampf
Wed May 17, 2023 8:06 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on a Montauk 17
Replies: 11
Views: 3902

Re: Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on a Montauk 17

I tested the [Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on my MONTAUK 17 with 1991 Mercury 90-HP three-cylinder two-stroke-power-cycle engine] on the water in early May 2023. Performance with the jack plate all the way down was about the same as before the installation. The time to plane less than thr...
by msteinkampf
Sun Mar 12, 2023 10:25 am
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on a Montauk 17
Replies: 11
Views: 3902

Re: Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on a Montauk 17

Here’s a challenge. Watch this video about jack plate installation and see how many deficiencies you can find in their installation process. (My answer is at the end of this post.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJc3LFIYRcI&t=1443s&ab_channel=BobsMachine I must admit to having fallen down a...
by msteinkampf
Thu Feb 02, 2023 12:00 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on a Montauk 17
Replies: 11
Views: 3902

Re: Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on a Montauk 17

Final installation, part 1 The mounting instructions that came with this jack plate were rather nonspecific. "Using flat washers and lock washers, attach the jack plate to the transom with the bolts that came with the engine ... use four stainless steel ½ inch-13 3-inch bolts to secure the engi...
by msteinkampf
Tue Jan 17, 2023 2:02 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Hidden HIN Location on Boston Whaler Boats
Replies: 3
Views: 1717

Re: Hidden HIN Location on Boston Whaler Boats

I suppose "Hidden HIN" isn't the most accurate term, since the federal regulations refer to it as a "duplicate", and there is no statutory requirement to actually hide the number [Moderator’s note: this comment is incorrect. Please read the quoted portion of the federal regulatio...
by msteinkampf
Mon Jan 16, 2023 9:22 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Hidden HIN Location on Boston Whaler Boats
Replies: 3
Views: 1717

Hidden HIN Location on Boston Whaler Boats

Is there a standard location for the required hidden [Hull Identification Number] on a Boston Whaler boat? [The location of a second hull identification number on my unidentified boat] was easy to find. [Moderator's note: separated from a discussion about vehicle identification number or VIN locatio...
by msteinkampf
Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:35 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Hidden VIN on E-Z-LOADER Trailer
Replies: 7
Views: 4159

Re: Hidden VIN on EZ Loader trailer

It’s more legible than what is suggested by the photo.
by msteinkampf
Thu Jan 12, 2023 4:07 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Hidden VIN on E-Z-LOADER Trailer
Replies: 7
Views: 4159

Re: Hidden VIN on EZ Loader trailer

Hidden trailer VIN.jpg
I found this VIN decal inside the passenger-side frame, just ahead of the taillight.
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by msteinkampf
Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:43 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Hidden VIN on E-Z-LOADER Trailer
Replies: 7
Views: 4159

Hidden VIN on E-Z-LOADER Trailer

My 1990 E-Z-LOADER adjustable boat trailer has its vehicle identification number (VIN) decal prominently located on the driver side of the frame. While recently working on my trailer, I found a second VIN sticker that is hidden from view. I checked the information provided by the company on the E-Z-...
by msteinkampf
Wed Jan 04, 2023 4:05 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on a Montauk 17
Replies: 11
Views: 3902

Re: Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on a Montauk 17

Bolting the jack plate to the transom: PART 1 Here are the mounting instructions that come with this jack plate: Mount Atlas Micro™ plate onto the transom using the four mounting bolts that came with the engine… Select the proper mounting hole on your engine according to your situation and mount to...
by msteinkampf
Mon Jan 02, 2023 9:51 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on a Montauk 17
Replies: 11
Views: 3902

Re: Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on a Montauk 17

Wiring the jack plate Before doing the actual installation, I did a dry fit of the jack plate to ensure that all the bolt holes lined up and the hydraulic pump worked. The unit comes with a wiring harness that seems of good quality, with all the wires labeled. It only took a few minutes to connect ...
by msteinkampf
Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:56 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on a Montauk 17
Replies: 11
Views: 3902

Re: Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on a Montauk 17

Removing the 1991 Mercury 90-HP outboard engine from the transom was a bit intimidating because I had no engine hoist or forklift available. I used just a reinforced chin-up bar and a chain, and I was doing this job solo. The process became much easier when I realized that I could tell how much pres...
by msteinkampf
Sun Dec 18, 2022 8:17 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on a Montauk 17
Replies: 11
Views: 3902

Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on a Montauk 17

Installing an Atlas Micro Jacker Hydraulic Jack Plate on a MONTAUK 17 This article will describe and illustrate the installation of an Atlas Micro Jacker hydraulic jack plate on my 1990 Montauk 17 with 1991 Mercury 90-HP outboard. I mostly use my MONTAUK 17 boat for coastal saltwater fishing in Ter...
by msteinkampf
Tue Dec 13, 2022 3:19 pm
Forum: SMALL BOAT ELECTRICAL
Topic: COLE-HERSEE Switches
Replies: 15
Views: 30486

Re: Cole Hersee Switches

The switch that controls navigation lamps on my 1990 Montauk 17 has been getting less and less reliable over the years. In the past, cycling it for a few times got the lamps to illuminate, but yesterday the red-green sidelight lamp at the bow wouldn't come on despite cycling the switch for 100 times...
by msteinkampf
Sat Dec 03, 2022 1:00 pm
Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
Topic: Bolt Orientation in Engine Mounting
Replies: 15
Views: 3084

Re: Bolt Orientation in Engine Mounting

The OEM service manual for my 1990 Mercury 90-HP outboard engine is quite specific regarding the orientation of transom mounting bolts. Here is the diagram on page 7A-2: Mercury outboard manual pic 2.jpg Note that in the diagram (and in numerous photos throughout the manual), the lower bolts are ori...
by msteinkampf
Wed Nov 30, 2022 8:47 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Broken engine mounting bolt
Replies: 5
Views: 1306

Re: Broken engine mounting bolt

Thanks for the reassurance. The new engine mounting bolts will not be installed using an impact driver.

I will post the progress on my jack plate installation in a separate thread when I get a bit farther along on the project.

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by msteinkampf
Wed Nov 23, 2022 10:09 pm
Forum: The GAM
Topic: Broken engine mounting bolt
Replies: 5
Views: 1306

Broken engine mounting bolt

I was pulling off the 1990 90HP Mercury outboard from my 1990 Montauk 17 today in preparation for installing a hydraulic jack plate. Three of the mounting bolts loosened up smoothly, but the starboard lower bolt head initially felt very tight and then rotated quite easily as if broken. Here is a pic...