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- Wed Oct 07, 2026 9:17 am
- Forum: TRIPS and RENDEZVOUS
- Topic: 2026 Mullet Lake Rendezvous
- Replies: 1
- Views: 126
2026 Mullet Lake Rendezvous
... suspects, with a few notable absences due to schedule conflicts. In total there were 13 attendees and six boats: ⋅ Don aboard DON'S DAUNTLESS 17 (E-TEC G2 115-HP), and Elsa; ⋅ Don and Gail aboard WHITEWATER OUTRAGE 21 (Yamaha 200); ⋅ John and Holly aboard (the ...
- Sat Sep 12, 2026 11:07 am
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: 2010 170 SUPER SPORT: InstallingTrim Tab, SONAR Transducer
- Replies: 15
- Views: 3218
Re: 2010 170 SUPER SPORT: InstallingTrim Tab, SONAR Transducer
I discussed adding trim tabs to my 160 Dauntless at https://continuouswave.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=3860&p=25738. It was a great upgrade.-Bob Very nice write-up. This quote from your post is exactly what I am hoping to achieve: ...
- Fri Sep 11, 2026 9:40 pm
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: 2010 170 SUPER SPORT: InstallingTrim Tab, SONAR Transducer
- Replies: 15
- Views: 3218
Re: 2010 170 SUPER SPORT: InstallingTrim Tab, SONAR Transducer
I discussed adding trim tabs to my 160 Dauntless at https://continuouswave.com/forum/viewto ... 60&p=25738. It was a great upgrade.
-Bob
-Bob
- Thu Sep 10, 2026 2:56 pm
- Forum: MARKETPLACE
- Topic: FS: 2001 220 Dauntless for $32,500 in Florida
- Replies: 0
- Views: 2003
FS: 2001 220 Dauntless for $32,500 in Florida
For-sale: a 2001 220 DAUNTLESS re-powered with a 2013 Yamaha F200XA with 250 hours on a two-axle trailer for $32,500 in Floramar Ter, New Port Richey, 34652, Florida METHOD TO CONTACT SELLER NOT PROVIDED [Moderator's note to poster: ...
- Tue Sep 01, 2026 10:43 am
- Forum: PERFORMANCE
- Topic: 2012 170 DAUNTLESS Improve Acceleration Onto Plane
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1817
Re: 2012 170 DAUNTLESS Improve Acceleration Onto Plane
When I changed from a three-bladed stainless steel propeller to a four-bladed Stiletto (no longer manufactured) on our DAUNTLESS 16, a huge improvement in performance occurred. The improvements were vastly faster [acceleration from low speeds] and the ability to remain on plane at ...
- Mon Aug 31, 2026 10:23 pm
- Forum: PERFORMANCE
- Topic: 2012 170 DAUNTLESS Improve Acceleration Onto Plane
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1817
Re: 2012 170 DAUNTLESS Improve Acceleration Onto Plane
... difficult to compare (or predict) propeller performance based on different boats and engines, but read my TrophyPlus/Spitfire experience on my 160 Dauntless at https://continuouswave.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7176. The 160 Dauntless is a different (and heavier) boat, and with 115 HP rather than ...
- Fri Aug 28, 2026 6:20 am
- Forum: PERFORMANCE
- Topic: 2012 170 DAUNTLESS Improve Acceleration Onto Plane
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1817
Re: 2012 170 DAUNTLESS Improve Acceleration Onto Plane
jimh--I am also concerned that using a four-bladed propeller will add drag of the fourth blade. The "drag" of the propeller is only present when the propeller is not rotating and some other propulsion method is moving the boat. What my comment was referencing is when switching to a four-b...
- Tue Aug 25, 2026 11:25 pm
- Forum: PERFORMANCE
- Topic: 2012 170 DAUNTLESS Improve Acceleration Onto Plane
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1817
Re: 2012 170 DAUNTLESS Improve Acceleration Onto Plane
Jefecinco--I [acknowledge] all your mentioned about the performance characteristics with a 90-HP engine on a 2012 170 DAUNTLESS. Unfortunately the maximum engine power on [the mandatory U.S. Coast Guard capacity placard] is 90-HP. I never thought about the hydrofoil being an [cause ...
- Tue Aug 25, 2026 11:20 am
- Forum: PERFORMANCE
- Topic: 2012 170 DAUNTLESS Improve Acceleration Onto Plane
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1817
Re: 2012 170 DAUNTLESS Improve Acceleration Onto Plane
Reducing propeller pitch to 17 from 19 will improve the boat's performance accelerating onto plane when under greater loading. But working in the opposing direction, increasing to four-blades from three-blades will tend to increase the propeller load on the engine from the additional blade. If you c...
- Tue Aug 25, 2026 9:26 am
- Forum: PERFORMANCE
- Topic: 2012 170 DAUNTLESS Improve Acceleration Onto Plane
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1817
Re: 2012 170 DAUNTLESS Improve Acceleration Onto Plane
I suspect you may never achieve the performance want from your 17 with a 90 HP four stroke engine. A 115 HP engine would be more appropriate for your boat. A four blade propeller of the right design should be very helpful. Removing the hydrofoil and ensuring the engine is mounted at the optimum heig...
- Mon Aug 24, 2026 9:13 pm
- Forum: PERFORMANCE
- Topic: 2012 170 DAUNTLESS Improve Acceleration Onto Plane
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1817
2012 170 DAUNTLESS Improve Acceleration Onto Plane
Q1: can the acceleration onto plane of a 2012 170 DAUNTLESS with a 2012 Mercury 90 FourStroke be improved if the propeller is changed to a Mercury TROPHY plus four-bladed 17-pitch instead of a the present propeller, a Mercury LASER II three-bladed ...
- Tue Aug 11, 2026 3:46 pm
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: WHALER.COM Recent Website Update
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1428
Re: WHALER.COM Recent Website Update
It looks like the 230 Outrage is no more. Smallest Outrage is now the 250. That’s really not ideal but seems to be a trend that the margins must be higher in larger boats. The 220 Dauntless is still there and the Montauk and Super Sport lines seem to carry on though.
- Sun Aug 09, 2026 6:06 pm
- Forum: PERFORMANCE
- Topic: Re-power: 2000 Ventura 18 Now Has Unstoppable Bow Oscillation
- Replies: 9
- Views: 2050
Re: Re-power: 2000 Ventura 18 Now Has Unstoppable Bow Oscillation
... based on the water line stain on the boat. Sea trial. Boat as configured per JimH’s notes above (and noting the hull shape is the same as the 180 Dauntless of that era). Two male adults @ about 190lb each. Fuel tank about half full (so about 32 gal). Used the tach on the boat (no idea if calibrated ...
- Sun Aug 09, 2026 2:57 pm
- Forum: PERFORMANCE
- Topic: Re-power: 2000 Ventura 18 Now Has Unstoppable Bow Oscillation
- Replies: 9
- Views: 2050
Re: Re-power: 2000 Ventura 18 Now Has Unstoppable Bow Oscillation
Masbama wrote:You can also search for information on a 2000 Dauntless 180. If I’m correct, it has the same hull as the Ventura, including the ‘notch’ in the transom.
Looking at the specifications in the 2000 catalogue, the 18 DAUNTLESS hull and the 18 VENTURA hull have the same dimensions and ratings.
- Sun Aug 09, 2026 2:40 pm
- Forum: PERFORMANCE
- Topic: Re-power: 2000 Ventura 18 Now Has Unstoppable Bow Oscillation
- Replies: 9
- Views: 2050
Re: Re-power: 2000 Ventura 18 Now Has Unstoppable Bow Oscillation
You can also search for information on a 2000 Dauntless 180. If I’m correct, it has the same hull as the Ventura, including the ‘notch’ in the transom.
- Tue Aug 04, 2026 3:49 pm
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: Compare 2015 150 SUPER SPORT and DAUNTLESS 16
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1439
Re: Compare 2015 150 SUPER SPORT and DAUNTLESS 16
... fine for 2 people. I put my family of 4 on it and it works but it’s still not a lot of power. The rated 6 person capacity would be a stretch. The Dauntless 16 will certainly have a more powerful engine. You will get wet on the 150 Super Sport in chop, due to the seated position. The full boat ...
- Tue Aug 04, 2026 12:05 pm
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: Compare 2015 150 SUPER SPORT and DAUNTLESS 16
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1439
Re: Compare 2015 150 SUPER SPORT and DAUNTLESS 16
Hello, I have a 2003 Dauntless 160 (16') with a Merc 115 Four Stroke. Fully loaded with a full tank of gas (45 gallons) the boat drains out the two scuppers in the rear. I can take up to 6 people on board and with that load a small ...
- Tue Aug 04, 2026 11:11 am
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: Compare 2015 150 SUPER SPORT and DAUNTLESS 16
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1439
Re: Compare 2015 150 SUPER SPORT and DAUNTLESS 16
Thanks NorthShoreWhaler. That gives me confidence.
- Tue Aug 04, 2026 7:30 am
- Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
- Topic: Rod Hoder 2002 Dauntless 220
- Replies: 2
- Views: 1099
Re: Rod Hoder 2002 Dauntless 220
Thanks, that's what I thought. These rod holders were not originally installed. I will seal the new flanges and make sure no water gets in.
- Tue Aug 04, 2026 5:59 am
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: Compare 2015 150 SUPER SPORT and DAUNTLESS 16
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1439
Re: Compare 2015 150 SUPER SPORT and DAUNTLESS 16
... bow. This allows rain water to drain passively. I think it’s a great design, no bilge pump to worry about. As far as comparing the two boats, the Dauntless will ride like a bigger boat and allow standing while operating. The Super Sports are seated only. I have the high back bucket chairs though ...
- Mon Aug 03, 2026 3:49 pm
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: Compare 2015 150 SUPER SPORT and DAUNTLESS 16
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1439
Re: Compare 2015 150 SUPER SPORT and DAUNTLESS 16
I don't have a DAUNTLESS 16 identified yet. They're hard to find. As a retired guy I don't mind traveling a bit.
A 2003 DAUNTLESS just sold for $18,000 in Oregon in less than 18 hours of being posted. It had an older two-stroke-power-cycle engine.
A 2003 DAUNTLESS just sold for $18,000 in Oregon in less than 18 hours of being posted. It had an older two-stroke-power-cycle engine.
- Mon Aug 03, 2026 3:11 pm
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: Compare 2015 150 SUPER SPORT and DAUNTLESS 16
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1439
Re: Compare 2015 150 SUPER SPORT and DAUNTLESS 16
... from the boat cockpit, and perhaps the last snap or other fastener to be made as one steps off the boat. You do not provide the model year of the DAUNTLESS 16.
- Mon Aug 03, 2026 2:52 pm
- Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
- Topic: Rod Hoder 2002 Dauntless 220
- Replies: 2
- Views: 1099
Re: Rod Hoder 2002 Dauntless 220
Generally rod holders provided as options by Boston Whaler at time of purchase would be Lee's of Miami stainless steel rod holders, although by 2002 perhaps they began to use other brands. For rod holders to be fitted on the boat and be prone to allow water to drain into the interior of a Unibond hu...
- Mon Aug 03, 2026 1:57 pm
- Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
- Topic: Rod Hoder 2002 Dauntless 220
- Replies: 2
- Views: 1099
Rod Hoder 2002 Dauntless 220
Q1: were the rod holders on a 2002 220 DAUNTLESS rigged with or without drains? BACKSTORY On my recently purchased 2002 220 DAUNTLESS I noticed that one PERKO stainless steel rod holder [installed in the gunwales] with a black cap was filled ...
- Mon Aug 03, 2026 11:28 am
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: Compare 2015 150 SUPER SPORT and DAUNTLESS 16
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1439
Compare 2015 150 SUPER SPORT and DAUNTLESS 16
I may buy one of two boats: ⋅ a 2015 150 SUPER SPORT or ⋅ a DAUNTLESS16. I plan to use the boat I will buy in protected waters in Puget Sound. I have no plans for coastal use. I would like to keep this boat on the water at a nearby marina for ...
- Thu Jul 09, 2026 12:29 pm
- Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
- Topic: 2004 160 DAUNTLESS: Location of Fuel Tank Level Sender
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1334
Re: 2004 160 DAUNTLESS: Location of Fuel Tank Level Sender
If the fuel tank level sender is actually located at the extreme aft end of the fuel tank, the wide swings in tank level being seen on the remote electrical gauge could be due to fuel sloshing fore and aft in the tank.
- Thu Jul 09, 2026 10:28 am
- Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
- Topic: 2004 160 DAUNTLESS: Location of Fuel Tank Level Sender
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1334
Re: 2004 160 DAUNTLESS: Location of Fuel Tank Level Sender
Q1: on a 2004 160 DAUNTLESS where is the fuel tank level sender located? If you are asking about a fuel tank gauge that is an electrically operated remote gauge, the fuel tank level sender will be located on the top of the fuel tank. ...
- Thu Jul 09, 2026 10:03 am
- Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
- Topic: 2004 160 DAUNTLESS: Location of Fuel Tank Level Sender
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1334
Re: 2004 160 DAUNTLESS: Location of Fuel Tank Level Sender
Q1: on a 2004 160 DAUNTLESS where is the fuel tank level sender located? First locate the sending unit cables in the console. With the ignition on have a helper observe the fuel gauge while you move the cables around. If the reading ...
- Wed Jul 08, 2026 1:41 pm
- Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
- Topic: 2004 160 DAUNTLESS: Location of Fuel Tank Level Sender
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1334
2004 160 DAUNTLESS: Location of Fuel Tank Level Sender
Q1: on a 2004 160 DAUNTLESS where is the fuel tank level sender located? I want to access the fuel tank level sender in order to assess if the problem with the fuel tank level gauge indicator jumping between EMPTY and 1/3-FULL is due ...
- Tue Jun 16, 2026 9:22 am
- Forum: MARKETPLACE
- Topic: WTB Tow Arch for Dauntless 180
- Replies: 0
- Views: 2493
WTB Tow Arch for Dauntless 180
Wanted-to-buy: a tow arch for a 180 DAUNTLESS. I'm located in northern New Jersey.
CONTACT: email daniel [dot] lin79 [at] gmail
CONTACT: email daniel [dot] lin79 [at] gmail
- Sun Jun 14, 2026 11:13 am
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: MONTAUK 17: RPS or Leaning Post
- Replies: 17
- Views: 3827
Re: MONTAUK 17: RPS or Leaning Post
Before changing your seating arrangement try the intermediate position of the backrest. I don't know about a Montauk 17 seat but on both my Dauntless 16 and 190 Montauk that position made a very nice leaning post.
- Sun Jun 14, 2026 8:11 am
- Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
- Topic: 2009 220 OUTRAGE Garboard Drain Repair
- Replies: 6
- Views: 1577
Re: 2009 220 OUTRAGE Garboard Drain Repair
... transom through-hull drains on many models of Boston Whaler boats in the c.2005 era was the topic of an archived discussion, available at 2004 220 DAUNTLESS Leaking Drains https://continuouswave.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=712
- Tue Jun 09, 2026 12:10 pm
- Forum: REPAIRS and MODIFICATIONS
- Topic: MONTAUK 17 Trolling Motor Mount
- Replies: 8
- Views: 1896
Re: MONTAUK 17 Trolling Motor Mount
I had a good result when removing a piece of Starboard from the transom of a Dauntless 16 which had been mounted with 3M5200. I used a length of multi strand fishing line. I tied the line to a handle at each end and used the line as a saw.
- Mon May 25, 2026 9:46 am
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: 210 DAUNTLESS with 150-HP: Assess Suitability for Intended Uses
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1210
Re: 210 DAUNTLESS with 150-HP: Assess Suitability for Intended Uses
My two cents: Anything less than the maximum-rate horsepower on a DAUNTLESS hull will leave you with a need for more...more acceleration, more top speed, more with a heavy load (four to five people). On rivers and lakes. a 150-HP engine would be adequate, ...
- Sat May 23, 2026 1:44 pm
- Forum: MARKETPLACE
- Topic: FS: 2001 DAUNTLESS 16, Mercury 90, and Trailer for $18,500 in Maine
- Replies: 3
- Views: 2539
- Sat May 23, 2026 9:33 am
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: 210 DAUNTLESS with 150-HP: Assess Suitability for Intended Uses
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1210
Re: 210 DAUNTLESS with 150-HP: Assess Suitability for Intended Uses
I have owned two 210 DAUNTLESS boats, both purchased new. First one a 2018 with a 150-HP engine. Second one a 2022 with a 200-HP engine. I recommend the 200-HP engine based on my experience. The 150 was adequate, the 200 was great. ...
- Fri May 22, 2026 4:16 pm
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: 210 DAUNTLESS with 150-HP: Assess Suitability for Intended Uses
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1210
Re: 210 DAUNTLESS with 150-HP: Assess Suitability for Intended Uses
... detailed performance reports showing a range of data related to performance. You need to locate that information for the particular model year 210 DAUNTLESS you are asking about. Q3: who is the seller of this 210 DAUNTLESS? If the seller is an authorized Boston Whaler dealer, the dealer can give ...
- Fri May 22, 2026 10:33 am
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: 210 DAUNTLESS with 150-HP: Assess Suitability for Intended Uses
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1210
210 DAUNTLESS with 150-HP: Assess Suitability for Intended Uses
Q1: what would be the performance of a [unspecified model year] 210 DAUNTLESS with a Mercury 150-HP engine [that I am considering to purchase]? [Consider that in] 90-percent of the time [when the boat will be used there] would be just myself and my wife aboard. ...
- Wed May 13, 2026 8:55 am
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: Wiring Diagram 2018 240 DAUNTLESS
- Replies: 1
- Views: 1089
Re: Wiring Diagram 2018 240 DAUNTLESS
... https://continuouswave.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9897&p=51302#p51302 For your particular inquiry: ⋅ Select the 2018 240 DAUNTLESS instead of the DAUNTLESS PRO model, as there are many more resources available for the standard model. ⋅ Download the Owner’s Manual ...
- Tue May 12, 2026 8:04 pm
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: Wiring Diagram 2018 240 DAUNTLESS
- Replies: 1
- Views: 1089
Wiring Diagram 2018 240 DAUNTLESS
Q1. Where can a wiring diagram or picture of the fuse panel for a 2018 240 DAUNTLESS PRO be downloaded?
[This topic is moved to THE GAM forum. Asking for information about where to obtain a diagram is not a repair or modification.]
[This topic is moved to THE GAM forum. Asking for information about where to obtain a diagram is not a repair or modification.]
- Wed May 06, 2026 3:59 pm
- Forum: MARKETPLACE
- Topic: FS: 2001 DAUNTLESS 16, Mercury 90, and Trailer for $18,500 in Maine
- Replies: 3
- Views: 2539
Re: FS: 2001 DAUNTLESS 16, Mercury 90, and Trailer for $18,500 in Maine
Back on market, price reduced to $17,500
- Fri May 01, 2026 6:07 pm
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: Identify Boat Said to be a 2005 GUARDIAN 18
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1313
Re: Identify Boat Said to be a 2005 GUARDIAN 18
In 2005 there was no "OUTRAGE 18" hull. The boat seen in Figure 1 has a DAUNTLESS-style hull. However, the boat is clearly not a "Dauntless" model, based on the seating, the console, the extensive and large tubular frame for the T-Top, the soft ...
- Fri May 01, 2026 2:24 pm
- Forum: The GAM
- Topic: Identify Boat Said to be a 2005 GUARDIAN 18
- Replies: 3
- Views: 1313
Identify Boat Said to be a 2005 GUARDIAN 18
... to buy what’s supposedly a 2005 GUARDIAN 18, but I’m struggling to figure out exactly what it is. I can’t tell if it’s based on an OUTRAGE or DAUNTLESS hull, and there’s surprisingly little info on-line about these c.2005 GUARDIAN models. 2005GUARDIAN18.jpg I’ve read that some Guardians used ...
- Mon Apr 13, 2026 4:42 am
- Forum: PERFORMANCE
- Topic: 1995 Dauntless 17 - High Propeller Slip
- Replies: 8
- Views: 31142
Re: 1995 Dauntless 17 - High Propeller Slip
Visually to me, the upper engine mounting holes on the transom look like they are lower [than the recommended layout]. The centerline of the upper set of engine mounting holes on the boat transom according to the BIA standard recommendation should be 1-7/8-inch below the top of the transom. More de...
- Thu Apr 09, 2026 8:57 pm
- Forum: PERFORMANCE
- Topic: 1995 Dauntless 17 - High Propeller Slip
- Replies: 8
- Views: 31142
Re: 1995 Dauntless 17 - High Propeller Slip
... the engine raised to three-holes-up will be high enough for optimal AV plate position in the water. I am curious how others with my model 1995 Dauntless 17 have setup their engine. Visually to me, the upper engine mounting holes on the transom look like they are lower [than the recommended ...
- Thu Apr 09, 2026 12:20 pm
- Forum: PERFORMANCE
- Topic: 1995 Dauntless 17 - High Propeller Slip
- Replies: 8
- Views: 31142
Re: 1995 Dauntless 17 - High Propeller Slip
My advice:
- remove the foil appendage from the AV Plate;
- raise the engine at least one hole higher;
- explain to readers what is being illustrated in Figure 4.
- Wed Apr 08, 2026 8:05 pm
- Forum: PERFORMANCE
- Topic: 1995 Dauntless 17 - High Propeller Slip
- Replies: 8
- Views: 31142
Re: 1995 Dauntless 17 - High Propeller Slip
Thank you for recommending tachometer calibration. I had an opportunity to get on the water today and confirmed that my tachometer is the problem. When the tachometer showed 5,500 RPM, the multimeter measured the stator pulse at 475-Hz. If the 6 pulses per revolution conversion chart is correct for ...
- Mon Apr 06, 2026 1:10 am
- Forum: PERFORMANCE
- Topic: 1995 Dauntless 17 - High Propeller Slip
- Replies: 8
- Views: 31142
Re: 1995 Dauntless 17 - High Propeller Slip
Check the tachometer calibration. If the tachometer reading is not accurate, then the engine speed could be slower than indicated. Using an incorrect value for engine speed will cause the value for SLIP that is calculated to be incorrect.
- Sun Apr 05, 2026 5:25 pm
- Forum: PERFORMANCE
- Topic: 1995 Dauntless 17 - High Propeller Slip
- Replies: 8
- Views: 31142
Re: 1995 Dauntless 17 - High Propeller Slip
... prop slip when I populate my information in the provided link for the 13 1/4" x 17P 3 Blade SS propeller. I see propeller slip ranges for the Dauntless 17 should be around 12% if setup correctly. I referenced the SEI lower unit order bill of materials it included a 20" length drive shaft. ...
- Sun Apr 05, 2026 5:14 am
- Forum: PERFORMANCE
- Topic: 1995 Dauntless 17 - High Propeller Slip
- Replies: 8
- Views: 31142
Re: 1995 Dauntless 17 - High Propeller Slip
Figure 1 shows what may be a 25-inch shaft engine on a 20-inch transom. Give the entire model designation of the engine, which will contain the code for shaft length of the engine. About all I can infer from the one data set is to agree that the Propeller 3 as tested shows excessive SLIP. This could...