1985 Montauk 17 Restored

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1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby Snowboard » Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:13 pm

I was lucky enough to find pretty much exactly what I was looking for: a restored 1985 Montauk 17 without an engine.

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We have owned an 1987 Outrage 22 since new, and I am familiar with Boston Whaler boats.

I questions on Bimini choices and what propeller to sue for this Montauk.

The boat likely won’t be loved by the purists, but I truly like the look. The boat has grown on me, and the boat really looks clean in person. The hull was redone with Awlcraft [from AWLGRIP], and the color scheme is basically a blend of the classic blue and white. The restoration has honestly all been redone, from drain tubes to teak, the boat was fully restored but never re-powered.

The engine will be a Honda BF90 that has been ordered and arrives “soon”. The new power had to be a Honda so I got a 90-HP as the 75, 90, 100-HP engines all weigh the same, but the 100-HP engine needs premium fuel. The BF90 weighs about 359-lbs--so it's not light--but I hope that the battery installed in the console (rigged that way when I bought it) will offset the engine weight.

Q1: What propeller should be used for this MONTAUK 17 with Honda 90-HP engine.

A knowledgeable guy said get a SOLAS 17 stainless steel propeller. I could only find aluminum SOLAR 17 propellers.

I assume the Honda engine should be mounted as many as high possible. I do know know the number of mounting holes on a HONDA engine mounting bracket.

Additionally, I really think it will need a Bimini. I don’t love the ones that lie flat in the bow.

Q2: what Bimini tops can be stowed in the op position and look more like arches?

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Prop Rec's

Postby Phil T » Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:21 pm

Owners of the Montauk 17 with the HONDA BF 90 engine have tested propellers. The recommendations for this hull and engine include:

13.25 x 15 Solas Stainless Steel
13 x 17 Honda Stainless (Honda Turbo prt # 08M60-ZW7-A10)

Size listed is for the specific Make/Model and are not transferable.

The engine needs to be mounted two-holes-up with the top bolt in the third hole down from the top. Do not accept any malarky from the dealer saying that is too high.
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Bimini Top

Postby Phil T » Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:33 pm

The standard bimini is held in place with nylon straps running forward and aft. If you prefer the bimini stowed up, substitute the rear straps with poles. Many prefer that.

For bimini suppliers, in order of cost high to lower

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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby Snowboard » Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:00 pm

PHIL T--Thanks for the help with pictures and the great information--it is much appreciated.

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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby Alibertucci » Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:01 pm

Additionally, I really think it will need a Bimini too but I don’t love the ones that lie flat in the bow. Any ideas on ones that store in the “up” position and look more like arches?
I am currently installing a Carver stainless steel frame Bimini on my Montauk 17. I purchased the stainless steel support kit which consists of the two supports and fittings to allow the top to be stored upright. Also available are stainless removable pins for the supports which allow the top to be lowered for winter storage under a cover or wrap or whenever one wants to lower the booted cover completely.
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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby dtmackey » Tue Mar 29, 2022 10:58 pm

The boat looks great, and--while a departure from original--I can appreciate your changes.

While the rub rail and color are different, I would have positioned the Whaler logo in the position is came from Whaler; that is probably the biggest eye-catching detail that says the boat isn't original.

I did a restoration on my 1986 Boston Whaler and changed many things, but made sure to apply the decal in the original position.

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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby Snowboard » Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:13 pm

Good eyes. The logo seems to be both too small and too far back.

Full disclosure: I had nothing to do with any of the modifications, colors, or rub rail choices. I just luckily stumbled upon the boat for sale the way it is.

The boat just got up to Massachusetts last Friday, and before that I had only seen it in pictures and for about 20 minutes when I bought it.

I am trying to figure out changing the logo and how much effort that entails.

Also the hull needs rear towing eyes and a white all-round lamp. There is plenty to think about before it goes in the water.

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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby jimh » Wed Mar 30, 2022 7:42 am

The two-tone blue-white color scheme reminds me of a c.1955 Chevrolet car. They offered several two-tone paint schemes back then.

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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby Snowboard » Wed Mar 30, 2022 8:51 am

[The two-tone blue-white color scheme is] certainly not a look I had ever seen before on a Whaler. The scheme has really grown on me, especially in person. When it got up to Massachusetts, the guys at the boat lift and marina where there are a lot of old Montauks, didn’t really mention the colors; they only said that it looked like it just came from the Rockland factory up the road.


MORE BACKSTORY: I had been trying to find a restored ribside, but my kids and wife all hated the look of those boats, saying a ribside looked like “something that was used at D-day”. Then when I stumbled on this boat I first saw pics and was like “ehhh I don’t know”, but my kids and wife really liked it as I guess they are not Boston Whaler purists.


ASIDE: Jim--if you make it to Cape Cod let me know, and you can take a ride.

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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby Phil T » Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:56 am

Stephen--There is one source for OEM Whaler vinyl products: Magic Brush

http://www.magicbrushsign.com

Consider having Janis make your registration numbers in matching red or black with a gold drop shadow. Tell her I gave you the idea.
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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby Snowboard » Wed Mar 30, 2022 10:19 am

Will do, thanks Phil.

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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby dtmackey » Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:10 am

When you decide to remove the decal, the best way is to use an eraser wheel. It works like magic and does not harm the surface at all. I use one all the time on outboard cowl decals and cars and it's much safer and friendly to the finish that using a razor blade or chemicals. They are inexpensive at $7 to $40, depending where you purchase, and I've found the cheap ones work just as well as the expensive one.

https://www.amazon.com/Rubber-Eraser-Wheel-Adapter-1-Pack/dp/B00HZ4ABKS/ref=asc_df_B00HZ4ABKS?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80126965543780&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583726541185514&psc=1

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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby jimh » Thu Mar 31, 2022 10:22 am

The reversible pilot seat seen above in Figure 8 looks great. The seat cushions with the blue piping and the blue center section continue the blue-white theme of the deck and interior color scheme.

The overall condition of the boat looks excellent--a ten. Now your task will be maintaining it at that very high level of appearance.

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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby Snowboard » Fri Apr 01, 2022 12:02 pm

dtmackey wrote:When you decide to remove the decal, the best way is to use an eraser wheel
Thanks for the tip. I will have to think it through a bit before I pull off the current decals.

The hull is painted with AWLCRAFT; will the eraser wheel cause a problem?

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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby Snowboard » Fri Apr 01, 2022 12:08 pm

Alibertucci wrote:I am currently installing a Carver stainless steel frame Bimini on my Montauk 17....

This sounds exactly like what I am looking for. Please share pictures of the installation when finished.

What are the dimensioned of the Carver Bimini you are using?

Thet size data from the Carver website is confusing me.

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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby jimh » Fri Apr 01, 2022 12:53 pm

Snowboard wrote:The hull is painted with AWLCRAFT; will the eraser wheel cause a problem?
I'd be careful with removal of the decals. While they're perhaps slightly out of position, they're much nicer than a paint finish scuffed up by removing them.

You should test the eraser technique on some inconspicuous area before trying to remove decals. The usual gel coat layer is much thicker than a typical paint layer and probably more abrasion resistant.

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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby Alibertucci » Fri Apr 01, 2022 6:07 pm

Snowboard wrote:What are the dimensioned of the Carver Bimini you are using?
I ordered my top by boat model and year, through Boat Covers Direct. I did not order with specific measurements. For some reason I do not see the stainless option on their website, but last September it was there. Each stainless top is manufactured to order.

I have put the top together, but I am waiting for better weather and help from family to complete the installation. The top is awkward to handle by myself and I want to make sure I locate the fittings correctly. I will post pictures once completed.

Because I was bored and decided to take some measurements this morning to prep for the installation, I measured the space between the mount fittings of the top and that measured exactly 66-inches, almost exactly the spread between the port and starboard gunwales. That space between the gunwales measured 67-inches. The frame can spread slightly so the fit looks fine.

I will measure again once installed and give you those numbers if you need them. It may be a week or two before I get the top on the boat.

Below is the tag on the top which has both the model number of my top and a phone number (1-888-48 C0VER) you can call and ask about your specific boat and the measurements.

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Fig. 9. Label on cover made by Carver.
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I called with a question about assembling the top and they were extremely helpful. Hope this helps you.

Also here are the parts I ordered including the top and the brace kit you are interested in.

A5463SUB JOCKEY--FRAME AND HARDWARE: STAINLESS STEEL FRAME WITH STAINLESS STEEL HARDWARE
62011 SIZE AND STYLE: 48" SET FULL STAINLESS STEEL BRACE KIT CARVER ROUND TUBE BIMINI
88547 CARVER BIMINI TOP QUICK RELEASE PINS 1 PAIR
62000 (SIZE: 24) CARVER SLIDE TRACK KIT


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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby Snowboard » Fri Apr 01, 2022 7:43 pm

ART--Thank you. I really appreciate the detailed information.

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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby Alibertucci » Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:46 pm

Snowboard wrote:Please share pictures of the installation when finished.
Below are photos from the installation done today. I installed the top with the stainless steers rear supports and affixed quick release pins to them so that I can lower the frame for winter storage under full boat cover.

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Fig. 12. Bimini Folded and with Boot
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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby Alibertucci » Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:52 pm

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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby Kapharms » Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:28 pm

Snowboard wrote:The hull is painted with AWLCRAFT; will the eraser wheel cause a problem?
I scraped off old decals on my 1977 Sport 15 with plastic razor blade scrappers; they worked well.

You can buy them on Amazon.

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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby Snowboard » Mon Apr 18, 2022 2:54 pm

Alibertucci---Thanks very much.

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Re: 1985 Montauk 17 Restored

Postby Snowboard » Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:42 pm

Apologies for the one-year-late update [on the ultimate new boat canvas bought for the 17-foot restored hull that has been the topic of this thread].

I purchased a Mills Bimini Top. Now more than a year later, the Mills Bimini top has been great.

I chose the version that stows in front of the bow railing. I really like the headroom and clean look of that setup. I recommend Mills; they’re not cheap.

The Wm. J. Mills & Co. canvas has shown no problems [when the boat speed increases as a result of operating] the engine at full throttle.