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tobes posted 04-10-2001 11:51 AM ET (US)   Profile for tobes   Send Email to tobes  
Help, I'm looking for info on the old All-round light that used to be mounted on the console of the older outrages. It used to be able to extend up and it has a deflector plate on it. I'm rehabing an 84' 22ft Gaurdian, I'm going for the outrage look as opposed to comm. version.
PS This is my frist whaler and I have worst case of Whaler-head. Can't stop thinking of what to do next to this rig. Oh yeah this site rules, my hat is off to you guys at Con. Wave. Job well done!
Tom W Clark posted 04-10-2001 12:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
It is a standard Perko combination masthead and white all-around light with the addition of a Perko glare shield (part # 1192)

The pig tail of the light plugs into a coiled (like a phone cord) wire harness that's wired to the electrical panel inside the console.

In my opinion this is a miserable arrangement. On my Outrage, the first thing I did was remove this light and replace the 135 degree stern light with an all-around light mounted on a five foot stainless tube that matched the original stern light pole's diameter and mounting.

The problem with the light in the console is that it's always in your face, it's always taking up valuable space on top of the console, and it's always a pain to extend or lower. The wiring and the light pole inside the console are always snagging gear stowed there and it's just one more magnetic field distorting the compass.

Having said all that, if you want to istall the light like an original whaler, and you need the coiled wiring harness, I have one....

lhg posted 04-10-2001 12:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I believe all of that assembly is from Perko.
I know the masthead dual function light(anchor and front facing international navigation) is, and so is the black shield, and are both still available. The pole is 7/8" aluminium, probably must be custom cut. But I'm not sure if the big clamp fitting that holds it in the console top surface is from Perko. I suspect the BW had these lights/pole specially made up for them.
The pole is about 36" long.
wildeone posted 04-10-2001 02:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for wildeone  Send Email to wildeone     
Hey Tom, you seem to know about this light, my 84 Outrage has the same unit. When I turned on the running lights the masthead came on the forward part. At anchor the stern light (original) and back section of the masthead came on. Is this correct?
I have since rewired the masthead to be a all around anchor light, any comment?

I re wired because the forward masthead part kept shinning on the deck and producing glare while running.


Tom W Clark posted 04-10-2001 02:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     

I'm not sure I understand you precisely. The masthead light (forward portion of light in console) comes on with running lights [b]and[b] the stern light (135 degree) while underway. At anchor the masthead light is on with the stern portion of the light in the console. Together they make a 360 degree all-around white light. The stern light (in the stern of the boat) is off.

This is a complicated system for a small boat and is only required on boats over 40' though it is optional for smaller boats. On a center console boat like a whaler it is difficult for me to see the advantage of it. The glare you experienced is supposed to be mitigated by the glare shield which should face forward while underway.

lhg posted 04-10-2001 04:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Tom - I think Dougherty switched to the "International Lighting" configuration for the center console Outrages in 1978 in order to eliminate the 5' or 6' pole needed for the stern light. These were used on the early 19's and 21's and were not real popular, hard to store on the boat, suseptible to damage, and highly unconventional looking. The conventional small boat lighting used on the 13-17's (which are pretty long poles as is) wouldn't work as well (ability for it to be seen by a boat approaching from head on) on the Outrages because of the "bow high - stern low" planing attitude of the hulls, combined with one or two standing operators at a center console which could also block the light's visibility. So the International configuration seemed to solve this problem, while at the same time making the boats a bit higher scale, more yacht like, in equipment.

I personally don't mind the system, and have gotten used to it. I did, however, install a 3 prong flat connector on the wire in the console, so I could disconnect it when my Mills Flying Top system, with windshield, is set. I would recommend this addition to anybody. My console is raised 4", and with the forward light on for running, in the "full-up" position, it's high enough above my head that it doesn't bother me. I guess there's no perfect solution for everybody.

On my 25, with radar arch, I moved the International light up there, and rewired the console pole light as an all-around cabin light when cruising.

jimh posted 04-10-2001 09:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
We have one of those extremely long stern light poles on the 20-Revenge. It sticks up a mile from the transom.

And lhg is correct, it is a pain to stow it aboard. It it too long to fit under the gunwales or to fit in the shelf of the vee-berth. And somewhere in the past ours acquired a slight bend. It almost makes several grand for a radar arch seem like a reasonable solution!


Tom W Clark posted 04-11-2001 09:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I agree that the six foot pole is strange looking. I remember the stern lights on the early 19's and 21's and thinking "how goofy" but Boston Whaler made a point of explaining how it would work better this way, and Boston Whaler was always good at making things work well even if they looked unconventional.

But you're right about storage. If there isn't a proper place to store a piece of gear on my boats, then it doesn't go aboard. In my case I made the stern light about 5' tall. It was the maximum length that the gunnel rod racks would accomodate on my 18'. If you have a 22' then a 6' pole would be no problem at all. The original stern pole took up one slot in the rod racks anyway so there is no loss of space with a longer pole and you get the benefit of no light pole on the console. The shorter (5') pole on my boat was a compromise. When standing (I'm over 6') the stern light is blacked out of view to a boat approaching from ahead. But this is the same as a Montauk and the vast majority of other boats out there.

One of the things I liked about the Outrages when I moved up from the Montauk was the more sophisticated and "yachty" nav lights. They looked cool. But I immediatley realized that from an ergonomic standpoint they were going to be unsatisfactory. Thus I made the change. As lhg points out, the flying top also precludes use of the console masthead light. If you have canvas like this, then it's another good reason to do away with the console light.

Obviously if you have a revenge or an outrage with a superstructure in the form of a radar arch, T-top, ect, then there is your mounting spot for the masthead light.

But to answer tobes desire to replicate the original system, here is what my 1989 Perko catalog has to offer:

lhg is also correct about Whaler having Perko assemble this light just for them. You will not find the whole system in a bubble pack at West Marine but all the components are available "off the shelf"

masthead and combination light Perko # 1197 OOO CHR. Remove tubing and replace with 3/4" aluminum tubing (I think more like 4' long)

Base and socket assembly Perko # 1023 POO CHR

Glare shield Perko # 1192

The original wiring warness in my '83 incuded a three pole quick disconnect plug. Any plug could be used so long as it will pass through the light base

lhg posted 04-11-2001 01:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Tom - thanks very much for the info on the console International light assembly. I've entered the data into my "Captains Log" vessel management Whaler database.

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