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posted 08-04-2001 09:15 AM ET (US)
Is there some place (site/book) where you can find specs on Whaler hulls ie. transom deadrise, beam, weight and draft etc.
I may get killed for saying this but there is a good example on the Mako website. It goes back to boat specs from 1968.
It's sad that Boston Whaler doesn't have a link on their site as well. It seems as though they've lost pride in the heritage of Whalers.
posted 08-04-2001 09:16 AM ET (US)
I may not have been clear I mean specs on older hulls?
posted 08-04-2001 09:30 AM ET (US)
Look under Reference: Hull and model Information. May help you with you are looking for.
posted 08-04-2001 10:16 AM ET (US)
Right, but there is only a limit number of models in there.
posted 08-04-2001 10:46 AM ET (US)
True, that's why I said "Might help..."
What particular year, model, size are you looking for, or just info in general?
posted 08-11-2001 09:51 AM ET (US)
I need that information. Does anyone have the specs on a 1975 19'4" Outrage?
posted 08-11-2001 10:45 AM ET (US)
i have found that the jan. SPORT FISHING "boat buyer's source book "edition has much of that sort of info...boats and engine specs also...a buyer's guide type of thing. good luck...lm
posted 08-11-2001 04:15 PM ET (US)
I have 1975 BW Catalog/Brochure.Following info for 19'4" Outrage-
LOA 19'4"; Beam 7'4"; Wgt(lbs) 1500-1600
Max HP 170; Min HP 65, Reserve Buoyancy 5000Lbs;
Performance:30mph w 65hp; 34mph w 85hp;40mph w 115hp; 42mph w 135hp; 44mph w 150hp. Hope info is useful!
posted 08-11-2001 05:55 PM ET (US)
That's what I was looking for. Thank you very much.
posted 08-11-2001 05:57 PM ET (US)
One other question. What exectly does reserve bouyancy mean? Does it mean it would take 5K additional pounds (motor, gear, people, etc..) to completely submerge it?
posted 08-11-2001 09:02 PM ET (US)
It refers to the amount of weight that the boat would support if completely filled with water.
posted 11-07-2001 07:01 AM ET (US)
Yes, I'm bringing this up again.
Any thoughts on a online database that would have the specs i.e. normal stuff like length, beam, weight, transom height, transom type, max power and fuel capacity etc. on current Whalers all the way back to the vintage Whalers?
Would the group use a tool like this? I'm thinking of pulling such a info source together that would allow you to compare BW specs across model years.
The Mako site database starts in 1968 and runs thru 2000 model years.
Man I can't believe Boston Whaler is being out done by Mako when it comes to holding together the pride of the old classics.
Let me know if you would use such a database?
posted 11-07-2001 08:21 AM ET (US)
I think it would be great to have a good database of all Whaler boats. In fact, it has been my "winter project" for this non-boating season ahead.
I see this in three phases:
Collecting information should be fairly straightforward. Given all the users and all the old catalogues saved, it should be possible to get a clean Xerox copy of the specifications table in each year's catalogue. This would be the start of the database.
Designing the database will need some thought. It is best to plan carefully when creating the database so that later the best use of the information can be made. For example, should dimensions be stored as numbers or text? If stored as numbers it might be possible to make use of them later in calculations performed in searching the database. For example, an inquiry could be make to the database to show all boats whose beam is greater than 102 inches.
Presentation of the data should be done on a dynamic basis. The data should be held in a SQL type database, then retrieval of the data can be done in many flexible ways. New presentations can be implemented using the same database. This approach makes the data much more valuable than just having a static, flat, text presentation of the data (like the Mako site).
This would be an excellent project for a collaborative effort. Any other volunteers?
posted 11-07-2001 08:32 AM ET (US)
Jim, I have several Whaler catalogs between 1985-1995 if you are interested...
posted 11-07-2001 10:40 AM ET (US)
Jim good to see you like the idea. I'll make a call today to a local dealer here in TX. and see if I can get them to get the data from BW for us. It may be quicker then gathering data from the members of the site.
How far back do we want to go?
I agree the data needs to be much more useful than the Mako data.
posted 11-07-2001 10:48 AM ET (US)
Would you consider putting all the annual catalogs in "Adobe" format and have them available for download from this site ?
posted 11-07-2001 04:53 PM ET (US)
Jim, I'm just a simple graphics guy. ;-)
I can't help you with that SQL stuff...but it you need help with scanning, PhotoShop, Acrobat, etc....I'm your guy! Since I'm so close (Royal Oak), you are welcome to bring stuff over here anytime. I think having an online database of this info would be great...my old Whaler brochures are getting worn out from too much handling.
posted 11-08-2001 02:08 PM ET (US)
Status: I talked to the dealer here in TX today he hooked me up with his rep at BW, I left the rep. a message.
My contact at the dealer said however that because Boston Whaler has changed hands so many times it may be best to gather the data from the members on the site and guys like him who have been selling Whalers for 33yrs. He said he has most of the specs from 1958 forward in his head.
Please let me know if you have any better ways to get all this data. Getting all the data together may be the biggest challenge.
Just wanted to give the group a quick update.
posted 11-08-2001 02:38 PM ET (US)
would you need copyright releases to publish BW content here? (referring to the comment re scanning the old brochures/spec pages)
I see lots of BW brochure photos at dealer sites on the web, so they would likely agree, but it might be important.
posted 11-08-2001 02:58 PM ET (US)
The plan thus far is to build a database with the information so we a query it etc. We want the data to be useful.
Although, I think it would be cool to have the old brochures/catalogs online I don't think that's what Jim H. and are planning. Besides it would take much longer to gather all the brochures/catalogs.
As far a copyright issues go, that's a good question that I don't know the answer to.
posted 11-08-2001 03:07 PM ET (US)
JJf -- Whaler has a pretty decent data base however quite a bit has been tossed or is now located in file cabinets close to being tossed after this past years expansion --- The person you want to contact is Chuck Bennett in customer service. The dealer's salesman is a starting point, though after talking to a couple of them most haven't a clue what was what through the history of the company ---
So far since Whaler isn't manufacturing any of the boats which we have scanned or taken information from, I don't think they care --- and frankly why should they this site is becoming for even the newer boats a great sales tool. We have gotten more and more members with current models -- and a lot of very good comments on them --- sure still some debating but at least not all negatives. A tad more constructive if you ask me -- Z
posted 11-08-2001 08:47 PM ET (US)
I understand relational database modeling and can make sure it's in 3rd normal form which would allow any type of (SQL) query. First step is to determine the attributes (items of information) we want to capture about each boat/model. You can then create and populate the tables and begin to build a front end to retrieve the information.
Once the attributes have been determined, I would recommend putting all the information in an excel spreadsheet to start. From there it is pretty easy to import it into a RDBMS (relation database management system).
posted 11-08-2001 09:12 PM ET (US)
I am going to close this thread and move the discussion to the META-Forum. Please jump to http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum9/HTML/000131.html for more information on this topic.
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