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Dick posted 12-20-2001 04:39 PM ET (US)   Profile for Dick   Send Email to Dick  
The list for November is out and Boston Whaler and Grady White have joined Bayliner, Sea Ray and Carver in the top 5. Brunswick must be doing something right to have 3 of the top 5 spots.
JFM posted 12-20-2001 04:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
Dick,they have a "GREAT BIG" wallet! Regards, Jay
lhg posted 12-20-2001 05:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Those are consumer internet "searches by brand, for new and used boats" on BOATS.COM website, whatever that means. Curiously, it is headquartered in Lake Forest IL, same as Brunswick's headquarters! Now they wouldn't be connected, would they?

As we all know, there is HUGE interest in used Whalers. I wonder if that's what's driving the whaler hit counter?

Dick posted 12-20-2001 06:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
The top 5 results I posted are for new boats only. Don't know where Whaler came in on the used list.
Jerry Townsend posted 12-20-2001 07:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
I don't know about the others seeing such lists - but frankly, I question them - who made the selections, what were the criterion, did those making the selections have any knowledge in the products, are their selections supported by facts and data - or is it just subjective comments. Consider the products and information available - and make your own objective list.
David Ratusnik posted 12-20-2001 07:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
My take-- It's like annual listings of "top" academic institutions- if you make it, take the rating and run. About all that can be said is Whaler APPARENTLY remains in the top tier. DLR
Dick posted 12-20-2001 07:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
The way I understand the ratings they have nothing to do with quality, sales or anything related. They are based only on how many people searched for information on that brand at the web site.
Strictly a consumer interest rating.
jimh posted 12-21-2001 09:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Perhaps I am a bit atypical, but I have never heard of or visited the "" website.

Anyone who wants to search for information available on the web would typically use a general search engine like (highly recommended).

The tiny, tiny segment of boaters on the internet that happen to visit "" and used that site's search engine does not really seem to me to be a significant statistic. They may reflect the tendencies of the boating population as a whole, but they may not. There is hardly any rigourous study that shows that they do, so these results are pretty meaningless.

Dick posted 12-21-2001 11:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Why so negative?

As repoprted in Boating Industry the site had over one million people search for information about boats in November. I wouldn't call this meaningless and I doubt that I would base a buying decision on this information but I found it interesting.

88 Montauk posted 12-21-2001 03:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for 88 Montauk  Send Email to 88 Montauk     
Bayliner? Please! this stat lost all validity.
DCPeters posted 12-21-2001 05:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for DCPeters  Send Email to DCPeters     
Never had "validity". It is only a brand awareness indicator of a non-random sampling of the public.

Folks who happen to find that site have to enter a brand to narrow their search. More folks think Whaler than Hinckley.

Has nothing to do with Quality, just brand recognition.

It doesn't indicate if the person is a buyer, if he can afford to buy, any demographics as far as I know. But does indicate that folks recognise the Whaler brand...probably more due to the sawn-in-thirds hull more than anything else, but also other original ads long ago.

I think people are drawn by curiosity to Bayliner cause you get so much curb-appeal for the dollar. Of course, at some point, you will actually launch that boat, and pity the fool that ends up with a Bayliner.

I agree with the above statement...if you get annoited, you announce loudly the ranking. If nothing else it's a press release that might get you more recognition.

Mark D posted 12-21-2001 06:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Mark D    
I have had to brands boats which after selling the small one bought a bigger one: Boston Whaler and BAYLINER! I never felt I need pity for either.
DCPeters posted 12-22-2001 01:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for DCPeters  Send Email to DCPeters     
Didn't mean to offend, sorry if I did. My comment on Bayliner arises from personal experience. My brother in law had a Bayliner ~~16' bowrider....a very typical boat. I think it was his first plastic boat after having a ~21' chriscraft inboard.

He struggled with that Bayliner for two seasons to try to get the motor right, never could get it all sorted out. Turned out that the rig from the factory was wrong (sorry I can't grab the details after all this time), and the dealer was less than useless. In the end he sold it off and got a slightly larger ~18 ski boat--that has been wonderful with a 115 Yamaha

I also looked at Bayliner's carefully after my Lyman developed the rib rot that killed it. I was surprised to see such shoddy workmanship...screws missing from bow rails, no backing plates, very rough unfinished interior, and bad designs (such as the ~5'8" step dn hardtop on the ~20 Trophy that guaranteed you'd hit your head (very annoying) and which would sit bow down with the recommended motor, which allowed the rain (or any wave coming thru the large stern opening) to move forward into the cabin (quite dangerous). I guess the designer intended that the $20 bilge pump would save you.

I also see that many of these entry level boats are equipped with underpowered motors that allow the package to sell at a very sweet price. This is the hook; they hope most won't understand that they need more power until they are listed on the title.

I am sure many people love Bayliners. But I think that some are dangerous--but--affordable boats for the uninformed masses. I certainly do not pretend to be well informed on their current production, since I have seen enough in prior models years to scare me away.

But I understand buying on perceived value. I bought at that time a Sportcraft 27 straight drive Fisherman. Can't get more un sexy. But with a 10' beam, huge cockpit, hardtop big enough for four sunbathers, capability to hold 8 adults and 6 kids comfortably and plenty of reliable inboard power, it served me well for a decade before I sold it off. As I recall I decided it was the right value. I lusted for the Grady or the Whaler, but couldn't afford their 27' version at that stage of my life (just starting a family).

Now we're in the market for the boat of my dreams. Sitting back waiting for the right on to come along. Hope I am ready and smart enough to see it.

Mark D posted 12-22-2001 07:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Mark D    
No offense taken
jimh posted 12-22-2001 01:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I guess I am myopic when it comes to other websites, hence my incredulity with "" as an arbiter of popularity or brand ranking by virtue of their search statistics.

I visited the site and found it hard to use due to slow loading pages, heaped with graphics and not much content. I also found it curious that clicking on the link for "search" linked me to their European search site, putting the defaults in the form into odd units like "pounds Sterling" and "meters". It took over five minutes to load, fill out, search, and display results for my critera (Boston Whaler 1987-1993 22-25 feet), which returned eight boats, most of them I had already seen on other search sites.

At 5 minutes per search, in order to knock out a million searches in a month...let's do the math:

60 min/1 hour x 24 hour/1 day x 30 days/1month = 43,200 min/month

It took me five minutes to load and perform one search, so the most I could do in one month would be:

43,200 min/month x 1 search/5 min/person = 8,640 searchs/month/ 1-person

In order to get a million searches in a month, there would have to be a lot of people like me searching simultaneously. How many?

1,000,000 search/month x 1-person/8640 search/month = 115 persons

So given the responsiveness I witnesses, 115 people would have to spend an entire month on the site continuously searching in order for it to ring up 1,000,000 searches.

Well, I am sure most people must get faster returns than the ones I observed, either that or there are some really dedicated people searching out there.

Yes, a million searches is a pretty fair amount, so it probably does--on second thought--have some statistical significance about the general boating population's interests.

The coincidence of the site being located in the same town as the headquarters of the company that produces three of the top five boats is rather interesting. I hope that it is just a coincidence and not disingenuous publishing.

JohnAz posted 12-22-2001 01:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for JohnAz  Send Email to JohnAz,,,came up just fine,,,
little American flag,,,,
50,000 boats +,,,,,
verry fast down loads and my Puter is verry old 133 mhz,,,
works for me,,,

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