Moderated Discussion Areas
ContinuousWave: The Whaler GAM or General Area
New Whalers - Merc only??
|Author||Topic: New Whalers - Merc only??|
posted 01-12-2002 08:08 PM ET (US)
The local Whaler dealer told me the factory will not ship a new Whaler without a motor (Mercury only). Can't believe it! Tell me it isn't so!
posted 01-12-2002 08:42 PM ET (US)
Not true as far as I know. Boston Whaler has required dealers to order boats with Mercury pre-rig, which means the boat is set up to accept a Mercury engine. Lots of manufacturers do this because of their relationships with engine builders, and Merc is a natural with BW since they're both owned by Brunswick. In other words, you'll pay for the pre-rig, but it doesn't have to be shipped that way. You're dealer may not be able to install another brand though, so you may have to go elsewhere to have a different engine instelled. At least this is the way it was when I sold Whalers in 1999-99. It may have changed since I left.
posted 01-13-2002 02:59 AM ET (US)
Could you please explain what is involved in a "Pre-rig" and about how much this costs?
What advantages or disadvantages does it have for a person that buys a boat without a Merc, even though it is "pre-rigged" and has a different engine installed.
posted 01-13-2002 10:03 AM ET (US)
From what I remember, pre-rig is the installation of controls, cables, and fuel fittings, ready to accept an engine. It was around $500 for a single, I think. Boston Whaler, prior to 1998, used to offer pre-rig (as above), rigged (engine and controls installed), and unrigged (no engine or controls). This offered the owner flexibility when purchasing. They then decided to concentrate on Mercury because of their relationship, and forced buyers to pay for Merc pre-rig whether installed or not, as a method of bullying them into Mercury engines. Many manufacturers do this, and it makes some sense on the surface, although it alienates some principled buyers who will not pay for rigging they can't use for a Yamaha, OMC, or other engine choice.
posted 01-13-2002 11:56 AM ET (US)
It might have changed, but the last time I checked with a dealer about getting another motor on a Whaler, they said they would, but it would cost more than the Mercury. It is my understanding that dealers receive some kind of incentive if some set percentage of Whalers they order come with Mercury motors. It seems to me that the best bet for getting another brand of motor on a Whaler is at a dealer that sells other brands of boats and motors in pretty good volume. It would seem to me that they would have an easier time finding a home for the orphaned motor and controls, thus minimizing the penalty I hope. I would also think the price of the Mercury motor on a Whaler package was fairly favorable to the dealer. As an interesting aside, I was at a dealer that sold Searay, Whaler, Mercury motors, and Edgewater factory rigged with Yamaha. They did not sell Yamaha or any other motor except on the back of an Edgewater. Kelly
posted 01-13-2002 12:04 PM ET (US)
When I bought my Dauntless 16 last August, I had my choice of motors. Mike's Marine of Panacea, Florida (located in the Panhandle about 25 miles west of Tallahassee)installed a Yamaha 100 4-stroke on my whaler. Mike had ordered several 16s with no prerigging from the factory. That also applied to his Outrages too. Of course, I could have went with the Merc 90 4-stroke, but it weighed more than the Yamaha. I think it depends on the dealer policy whether they will substitute motors or if they want their shipment to arrive without prerigging of merc motors.
posted 01-13-2002 06:36 PM ET (US)
This thread has rung another of my bells. The policy of Whaler regarding Mercury engines will, in my opinion, cause problems with customers. But, as someone mentioned, Edgewater has even perhaps a more stringent policy. I e-mailed Edgewater, requesting information and the name of the closest dealer (Idaho / Utah) and was informed by their sales manager that there were no dealers west of the Mississippi, but I could go to any Yamaha dealer and they could order one for me. I e-mailed another question - Can I buy one if I don't want to put a Yamaha engine on it? I have not received a reply. I suspect that Yamaha owns Edgewater - but that is just a wag. ------------- Jerry/Idaho
posted 01-13-2002 06:40 PM ET (US)
I think this idea was tried, but did not go over very well with the Dealers, desperate to earn some money on their (mainly) Yamaha line. So they may have backed off.
I recently saw a brand new 26 Outrage delivered off the truck with no pre-rig. Later I noticed it had a pair of dealer installed & rigged Yamaha 200 HPDI's on it, and was for sale on the lot.
I believe that Whaler Dealers with other lines are under considerable pressure from those companies to meet volume comittments, to keep the contract, and earn contingent fees. So these Dealers have to move some Whalers with, say, Yamahas on them. Yamaha is very clever. The difference in the always higher selling price of their engines goes to the Dealer. That is their srategy for overcoming all of these "engine company owned" boat packages.
posted 01-14-2002 09:41 AM ET (US)
Two summers ago my 16 Dauntless was unrigged from the Factory like Donís. I could have got - Evinrude, Johnson, Merc and Yamaha. My dealer had 2 locations so they sold all of the above.
It depends on the dealer
posted 01-14-2002 09:45 AM ET (US)
Mercury's astronomical margins stay in the company, meaning Brunswick.
Suspect the Yamaha Boston Whaler dealer makes a better margin with the Yamaha on the boat than he does with the package deal with a Mercury. At least with the Yamaha the consumer may pay more then again they are receiving more value with the Yamaha. The same as it used to be when OMC was found on the back of the majority of Boston Whalers.
Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Freeware Version 2000
Purchase our Licensed Version- which adds many more features!
© Infopop Corporation (formerly Madrona Park, Inc.), 1998 - 2000.
Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Freeware Version 2000