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JBCornwell posted 03-20-2002 08:36 PM ET (US)   Profile for JBCornwell   Send Email to JBCornwell  
I'm in a little trouble. I need your thoughts

Most of you know I bought (stole) an OR-18 on ebay a few months ago. You also probably know that I have a Montauk, Sunshine III, that I love dearly.

The restoration of the OR is progressing. I have the Yammy 130 engine restored to operation. . . New carbs and a new motor on the T&T, the steering cable and controls replaced (they were cut) and the harness spliced. Add a battery or two and she will be ready for sea testing next week. New front locker cover of solid teak, made by EBWC (soon to be delivered). Replaced the missing Ritchie Navigator, bought, but not installed an Interphase Sea Scout scanning Sonar and a Uniden 1020 VHF. New Cabelas cover. Good Shoreline roller trailer with new springs, hubs and tires. New 94qt Igloo Marine with good pad.

Still needs: Sonar, GPS, VHF antenna, replace under-gunnel rod holders, replace or repair seat cushions (I bought two used seats with covers, but they don't fit the pedestals), Replace or replate all rail fittings, restore teak (easy), remount cooler locators or chocks, polish hull and install new side decals (I have). Has SS Bimini frame with patched up canvas. New Bimini Canvas?

So far, I have about 7 grand invested.

Now, the problem(s). I now don't think I want to fish salt water enough to justify having the Outrage. It is 500 mi. to the nearest brine.

Also, the HotRod-Custom gene has attacked. I bought(stole) a nice VW Westfalia Vanagon camper with a blown engine. I want to convert it to Subaru power and use it to tow Sunshine III all over the continent. I don't have the time and don't want to spend the bux to do both at once.

Should I sell the Outrage now, or finish it and sell it for a lot more? It is a good start for a project. . . no soft spots, no bashed hull, complete and ready to finish and equip to one's taste.

What do you think, fellow Whalerites?

No, selling Sunshine III is not an option.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

Eric posted 03-20-2002 09:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eric  Send Email to Eric     
I think that you usually don't get what you put into a boat when you sell, unless you don't figure that your time has any value, and/or you're getting stuff really cheap.
If you're that far from saltwater, consider the value of an outrage locally. Making a local sale is always easier.
Macman posted 03-20-2002 09:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Macman  Send Email to Macman     
I am sympatico with you, JB. I have owned several VW last one was an 85 Westfalia. Quirky, yet wonderful vehicles,eh? I cannot imagine how one converts this rig to "Subaru" power. I would sell the Montauk and finish the Outrage.
Your inquiry seems a bit coy to me....Maybe I am just a wee bit jealous.
Best of luck..I want a picture of a Westfalia towing either boat!
kingfish posted 03-20-2002 09:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     

It's probably a good thing I've got two kids in college at the same time and don't have seven large unaccounted for, or I'd be trying to talk you out of that Outrage for what you've got in it.



Tom W Clark posted 03-20-2002 10:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     

You need to finish the Outrage. You need to take it out for some testing. Then you need to sell it.

Why? Because you started this for the fun of it and you will feel good if you see it through to fruition. Now that you are close (and perhaps beginning to get bogged down) it is tempting to call it quits. But I think at this point, it will be more saleable if it is complete and tuned and all the bugs worked out.

However, I would not go nuts installing any accessories that aren't already on it. The next guy to own it will has his own ideas about how to equip it. Plus, you will then have a bunch of goodies for your next project, and yes, you will have another project.

You should do all the things to get the boat back to the "standard equipment" level, like install the under gunwale rod holders, but don't worry about the sonar, VHF or GPS.

Your Outrage should be worth about $10,000-$12,000 (at least it would here in Seattle) so I think you will come out of this smelling like a rose if indeed you’re into it for only $7,000.

DaveS posted 03-21-2002 12:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for DaveS  Send Email to DaveS     
I have the perfect solution to your problem...give it to me! :)

I'll even give you unlimited visitation:weekends/christmas/thanksgiving...

We should all have that problem...

Good luck and enjoy...this will be a fun problem to have!


EddieS posted 03-21-2002 12:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for EddieS  Send Email to EddieS     

I would have to agree with Tom. Dont put any extra electronics on the boat, just finish the rest of the cosmetic details. I have found that you will not get the money on the backside for the electronics, but the boat will be much more sellable with the cosmetic details finished.


fno posted 03-21-2002 03:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for fno  Send Email to fno     
JB, if want I might be able to give it a good home. I'd have to ask the "warden" first. I have a 16' Dauntless in N. Florida and would like something larger for the gulf, but don't have $25,000 burning a hole in my pocket. What I do have is time.
PMUCCIOLO posted 03-21-2002 06:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
I'd suggest finishing the boat, as I am convinced that, once completed, the boat's marketability will increase substantially.


John from Madison CT posted 03-21-2002 07:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for John from Madison CT  Send Email to John from Madison CT     

I'm curious..when you bought the boat, what did you kind of estimate the boat would need for $$$ and time to get her back into good condition. vs. what it actually took.

I bought a huge damaged 25' Hydrasport once which took nearly 3X the money and time what I had originally calculated in my mind.


tabasco posted 03-21-2002 08:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for tabasco  Send Email to tabasco     
JB- notice this person is looking to buy an outrage.

gunnelgrabber posted 03-21-2002 09:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for gunnelgrabber  Send Email to gunnelgrabber     
J B: like macman i'm interested in your vw tow vehicle the proposed subaru power a diesel? you sure that'll make minimum oomph? i'm interested in hearing how it goes.good luck...lm
Bigshot posted 03-21-2002 10:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Got to get priorities matter what you are restoring. I would have done it opposite because the hull is the most important part. Get the hull restored, don't worry about electronics or bimini top. the heck with the "right seats, just get some nice ones in it and let her role. Get the bugs worked out first before doing the final touches. in your case if you are selling, let the new owner handle those touches to his liking.
hauptjm posted 03-21-2002 10:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
I agree on finishing the mechanics first, let the accessories be the choice of the new owner. As was mentioned, get her running, and do your sea trial. One thing you may not have thought of: the sea trial may convince you keep her.
Salmon Tub posted 03-21-2002 11:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Salmon Tub  Send Email to Salmon Tub     
500 miles from the brine is a long way. On the other hand, what did you do before, when you had sunshine? did you go the distance, if so how often.

Case in point, Most people, if they could afford it, would buy a huge cruiser, love it for a year, have a head and back ache then after, and so on. If I could, for the same money, I would buy 4 montauks, place each in storage up and down the coast here (one in each harbor), and instead of towing them the distance, would rather drive to whichever harbor is hot, fishing wise, at that perticular time, and enjoy. Smaller boats are less maintanance, of course, and lets face it, if the sea is too rough to go out in a Montauk, you could be out there in say a 25, but would you enjoy it?

JBCornwell posted 03-21-2002 11:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Thanks all for your insights. You are leaning me toward finishing the basics, then selling.

Gunnelgrabber and Macman:

I will start a new thread on the subject of VWs for towing.

Thanks again, all.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

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