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ChocLabWhaler posted 06-25-2002 10:08 PM ET (US)   Profile for ChocLabWhaler   Send Email to ChocLabWhaler  
Replacing the Tempo 6 gal tanks with 13gal tanks under the console. My question is: How do you fill these tanks safely? In the boat? - I know it's not the best way. Take them out and then HUMP them back into the boat? Common sense is escaping me about this one....
What do you do?
whalerdude posted 06-25-2002 10:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerdude  Send Email to whalerdude     
What Whaler model do you have?

whalerdude posted 06-25-2002 10:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerdude  Send Email to whalerdude     
What Whaler model do you have?

ChocLabWhaler posted 06-25-2002 10:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for ChocLabWhaler  Send Email to ChocLabWhaler     
1967 Nauset/Montauk. Wood CC.
Jay A posted 06-25-2002 11:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jay A    
If you are trailering, pull up to a gas station climb in the boat& fill'em up. If not,what I have done to save some bucks (Here in Gloucester,Ma gas on shore is $1.44 a gallon while at the fuel dock it's $1.99 per gallon.)I have an 81 gallon capacity. I took (2) 5 gallon gas jugs, epoxy'd 4'of washer-machine hose to the spout and rest the jug on the railing and don't spill a drop! Before I launched for the season I filled up on shore (It took 38 gallons to top her off.)and I make it a habit to add ten gallons on Thursdays (payday) Not bad economy for a 200hp Suzuki.
Taylor posted 06-26-2002 01:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
Jay A, Can you provide some detail on your washing machine hose rig? There's no gas dock near me, and I'm tired of spilling gas from five gallon cans as I fuel my Montauk.

ChocLabWhaler - If you're on a trailer, the best way would to fill them in the boat from a service station hose. Gas fumes are heavier than air, but I think that once you start trailering the boat away, it ought air out pretty quickly.

Caveate: I'm not sure of what complexity the console adds to the situation, though.

ChocLabWhaler posted 06-26-2002 02:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for ChocLabWhaler  Send Email to ChocLabWhaler     
I'm not worried about the console. The tanks will slide in/out. I'm worried about static electricity and spillage. I just don't want to hump 50# up and over the side of the boat, twice. It's OK to fill them in the boat? I'd hate to become a Darwin award winner....
Bigshot posted 06-26-2002 02:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I'll make it simple....13gallons x 8+lbs/gal = 104lbs + tank weight so about 120lbs each tank. Fill them in the boat:)
ChocLabWhaler posted 06-26-2002 02:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for ChocLabWhaler  Send Email to ChocLabWhaler     
I knew my math was off. BigShot, thanks for being gentle. I LOL when I see most of your posts.
Hobie1981 posted 06-26-2002 03:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Hobie1981  Send Email to Hobie1981     
Choc: By chance are those bad boy tempo 6 gal tanks of the metal variety ? I would gladly pay you whatever you think is reasonable for at least one one them, if you had no use for them.

My golden is really enjoying this 90 heat today. Me thinks she's looking to go "boatin an swimmin".


ChocLabWhaler posted 06-26-2002 03:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for ChocLabWhaler  Send Email to ChocLabWhaler     
Naw! They're the plastic ones. They're a real nice shade of crimson opaque with the sun ripening them and all. One of 'em even has darker shading where the previous owner obviously spent a great deal of time and effort, painstakingly letting out small amounts of gas to get just the right color. With a turkey, you might call it drippings...
ChocLabWhaler posted 06-26-2002 03:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for ChocLabWhaler  Send Email to ChocLabWhaler     
P.S. The ChocLab is staying indoors resting a just heeled broken leg. Do you have any idea what it's like to keep a 9 month old Lab quiet and no running for 2.5 months. Quite an education. Can't wait to get him in the water and work off his energy!
ShrimpBurrito posted 06-26-2002 05:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for ShrimpBurrito  Send Email to ShrimpBurrito     
ChocLab - I have one of those 13 gal Tempo tanks in my SS, and have thought about the static electricity being a problem. Lugging them out of the boat is out of the question, so that means it has to be filled in the boat. Assumingly, that's what the manufacturer had in mind, unless you're refueling in zero gravity. However, I keep hearing the same cautions about static, and in fact, I was informed at my local Chevron dealer last week that he will no longer fill my tank in the boat due to some new Oregon law. I asked him how he proposed filling it, and he subsequently backed down. (Obviously, he hadn't thought the whole process through before refusing to fill my tank.)

In any event, I have no interest in winning the Darwin award either, so I was thinking how to fix the problem. Grounding it somehow is the solution. Maybe attaching some kind of wire to the fuel cap and/or tank and then connect it to the trailer immediately prior to fueling. That should discharge any static.

BTW, gasoline weighs 6lb/gallon. Water weighs 8lb/gallon, which is why gas floats on water. Not that it matters in this case. It's still heavy.

ChocLabWhaler posted 06-26-2002 05:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for ChocLabWhaler  Send Email to ChocLabWhaler     
Good idea. Any body else doing this or something similar-different? Is Static Electricity not a problem at the gas pump-in the boat? Can't wait to see the look on the face of the "non-american" behind the glass. HEE HEE HEE. I'll blame you guys!
MDV posted 06-26-2002 05:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for MDV  Send Email to MDV     
i have a 17 footer as well and i fill both my plastic tanks, one 6 one 12, on board every time. been doing it that way for 4 years without a problem.
fester posted 06-26-2002 06:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for fester  Send Email to fester     
I have a 27 gallon tempo tank that I set on the deck and use as an extra fuel tank when going on a long trip. When I bought the tank, the information with the tank indicated that it should be taken out of the boat for filling. Local gas stations also recommend taking the tank out for filling. I called the tempo customer service and asked them to please explain to me how I can lift a 27 gallon fuel tank into the boat when it is full of fuel. They didn't have a clue as to what to do. I then talked to them about grounding the tank. They initially did not have any suggestions on how to do this. After talking to several people at tempo, the conclusion was that if I was concerned about static electricity, I may want to loosen one of the small bolts holding the fuel guage to the tank and run a ground wire from this bolt to the ground system in the boat or the negative terminal of the battery. This is what I do but I am not sure if it acts as a proper ground for filling a tank in the boat. It was surprising that tempo did not have a better answer for this issue. I would be interested in hearing what others do to ground these tanks if anything at all.
Jay A posted 06-26-2002 06:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jay A    
Taylor: I have the plastic gas cans that have a spout which hangs inside the jug when not in use. When you use them,you flip over the spout and pull it up tight to the cap flange and screw it to the jug. However it is always coming loose and leaks gas all over. I simply epoxy'd the spout and cap together then added 4' of washer machine hose to it by slipping the hose over the spout,wrapping teflon tape around them and sealed it with 15 minute epoxy. I thought of using garden hose but the I.D. is too large. Washer mahine hose was a nice snug fit. This is my second season with it and have yet to spill a drop! By the way,I cut the end of the hose into a "V" ,that way when not in use it can be "plugged" into the other end so water and/or spiders don't get inside
Taylor posted 06-26-2002 07:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
JayA - Great idea, thanks. I'll give it a try. Cheaper than one of those big 'fuel dock' can on wheels.

Got to make sure I find some hose that is safe with gas.

4Runner posted 06-26-2002 10:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for 4Runner  Send Email to 4Runner     
If you are worried about static electricity while fueling, just follow the aviation industry and use a short length of wire 2 ft or so with alligator clips on both ends. Attach one end to the gas nozzle and the other to the tank before sticking the nozzle in the tank.
ShrimpBurrito posted 06-27-2002 02:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for ShrimpBurrito  Send Email to ShrimpBurrito     
I think Tempo's advice on filling a 27 gal tank on the ground is hilarious. I would like to see an instructional video. The 162 lbs of gas + ~10 lbs for the tank would have made for a nice movie.

"CAUTION: Smoking cigarettes while attempting to lift tank into boat is not recommended."

ShrimpBurrito posted 06-27-2002 02:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for ShrimpBurrito  Send Email to ShrimpBurrito     
A word of caution on 4runner's advice. Although I'm not sure you could ground the static on the pump hose (it may not be metal past the nozzle), you have to be careful of sparks at whatever end you connect second. I assume the airline refueling trucks have big enough hoses and long enough nozzles such that the wire on the hose end is far enough away from where the gas actually comes out. Second, I would guess that plane fuel tanks are not vented, or at least not vented near the cap, so grounding it there before removing the cap does not have the potential to ignite any vapors.
ChocLabWhaler posted 06-27-2002 07:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for ChocLabWhaler  Send Email to ChocLabWhaler     
It sounds like there are not too many people that worry about Static and haven't experienced any Darwinism. Thank you. Mt mind is alittle at ease, now.
alukban posted 06-27-2002 08:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for alukban  Send Email to alukban     
How would you fill a "regular" (non-marine) gas can at the pump? Don't the same simple rules apply?
Lagged posted 06-27-2002 11:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for Lagged  Send Email to Lagged     
I have read that you just touch the gas nozzel to the tank and that grounds it.
Bigshot posted 06-27-2002 11:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Guys....have you ever heard of ANYONE blowing up filling a plastic tank? What difference does it make if the tank is sitting on the deck or the cement? As far as I know you need to keep the nozzle against the tank lip when fueling. as far as weight of gas, I always thought it was 6lbs because water is like 8.3 and jet fuel(diesel) is 7.3 or so. I then informed that gasoline was heavier than diesel and closer to 8lbs. Anyone know for sure? All I know is my 27 pate is one heavy biotch.
Chap posted 06-27-2002 12:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chap  Send Email to Chap     
Right in there BS.
H2O= 8.33lbs./gal
Diesel= 7.1lbs./gal
Gas= 6.1lbs./gal
USCG says that 1 cubic yard of seawater weighs 2000lbs. as rule of thumb.
The Crusher!
Bigshot posted 06-27-2002 12:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Cool! so my boat is lighter than I thought when fueled up. Thanks!
ShrimpBurrito posted 06-27-2002 12:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for ShrimpBurrito  Send Email to ShrimpBurrito     
I agree, ChocLab. Doesn't seem to be very many concerned about it. I haven't been taking any precautions for years. Hope I don't make the news.....

Yes, all plastic tanks would have the same problem, regardless of whether or not they're for marine applications. Most car fuel tanks are plastic too, but they're usually grounded to the vehicle somehow, such as through their support straps. But now that begs the question, what about the static built up on the vehicle itself? Every time I step out of my Jeep and touch the door, I get ZAPPED with static. Here in Oregon, we can't pump ourselves, so I don't get out of the vehicle to ground it. And I don't remember seeing anything in my Jeep manual that says I have to ground the vehicle before refueling! EGADS!

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