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minitauk85 posted 06-09-2006 05:12 AM ET (US)
The topic says it all guys! A whaler finally sunk! Before you freak out- I read another version of this story in which the Whaler capsized-k
http://starbulletin.com/2006/06/08/news/story13.html
JustinAndersen posted 06-09-2006 07:51 AM ET (US)
Do you believe everything you read? Every time I have had intimate knowledge of something reported in the news I'm blown away by how many errors and how little accurate fact the piece contains.
It's the physics behind the Whaler hull that makes it unsinkable, not hype. I suspect that (and I'm being generous here) they were using the term "Whaler" in a generic sense like you would Kleenex or Xerox. Or the reporter simply got the brand wrong. It wasn't a Whaler.
Sheila posted 06-09-2006 07:59 AM ET (US)
Or the other version of the story with the capsize is more accurate. Maybe Uhu, Perry, Rene, or some of our other members from Hawaii can shed some light.
LuckyLady posted 06-09-2006 12:41 PM ET (US)
I missed the whole ball of wax.
Haven't seen local news for about a week. Being on the Big Island, Oahu could be on the mainland as far as news go.
minitauk85 posted 06-09-2006 01:41 PM ET (US)
Justin- Obviously I don't believe everything I read! Do you misunderstand everything you read? I also mentioned the other story in which the Whaler was described as capsizing to provide an alternative to the impossible! I guess sarcasm doesn't do well in print. Of course the Whaler didn't sink, I thought some of y'all might get a kick out of this article and that's why I posted it! But thanks for the physics lesson-k
pglein posted 06-09-2006 01:42 PM ET (US)
This sounds just like the story a few months ago off Coos Bay, OR. The news reported that a Boston Whaler had sunk off the jetty, but showed pictures of a Bayliner washed up on the beach. The reporter got two facts wrong; It wasn't a Whaler, and it hadn't sank.
chopbuster posted 06-09-2006 01:42 PM ET (US)
Balls
pglein posted 06-09-2006 01:43 PM ET (US)
Also, I've never heard of a 14' Boston Whaler.
17 bodega posted 06-09-2006 02:00 PM ET (US)
Newspaper reporters might see capsizing and sinking as synonyms, when in reality they are quite different. Whalers don't sink but they are prone to capsizing.
I suppose a whaler with severe foam saturation with water could sink.
Tom W Clark posted 06-09-2006 02:17 PM ET (US)
I would not say that Boston Whalers are prone to capsizing, but they certainly can capsize.
I can think of at least two 14' Boston Whaler models.
workboatsrule posted 06-09-2006 02:37 PM ET (US)
Like your BW's my Carolina Skiff won't 'sink' either - even totally swamped.
I have determined that the best ways to 'sink' it would involve either some sort of fire (possibly burning enough of the floatation out to allow sinkage) or some sort of explosive (which would blow it into chunks - most of which would probably float).
pglein posted 06-09-2006 03:04 PM ET (US)
Tom,
I forgot about the Rage. But what other 14' model is there?
prj posted 06-09-2006 03:09 PM ET (US)
Dauntless.
And mini, I enjoyed this:
"Do you misunderstand everything you read?"
WHALER27CC posted 06-09-2006 05:17 PM ET (US)
If it was a Rage, the owner should be glad if it did sink.......No doubt it wouldve gone down smoking like a chimney and making a ton of noise , with the impeller clanking and rattling away..........Gee I miss my old Rage.
Whatever the boat was, more importantly no one was hurt, life jackets were used, and no one seems to be any worse for the experience
Ranjr13 posted 06-09-2006 05:26 PM ET (US)
Whalers sink? Oh no, lookout eBay, here I come a postin' mine - don't want an unsafe boat - better get a Bayliner...
17 bodega posted 06-09-2006 07:44 PM ET (US)
I meant to emphasize that the whalers are "prone" to capsize when swamped in rough seas, and a lone occupant is leaning over the gunnels trying to loosen a fouled downrigger cable or crab pot. "Prone" was probably a poor choice of words but under certain circumstances most boats can be prone to capsizing...
It could be that there have just been several incidents in the last couple years in the SF area by sheer chance and the make of the boat has nothing to do with it.
deepwater posted 06-09-2006 08:24 PM ET (US)
I can say that i believe in my heart that if your whaler goes down for what ever reason ,, You better start swimming and very fast,, Cause what ever took it under is going to get tired of it and let it go,, When it comes up ,,and it will ,, You better be far far away when it breaks the surface cause its gonna hurt .
Royboy posted 06-09-2006 10:30 PM ET (US)
I can think of two ways to sink a Whaler. 1) if the weight of the stuff bolted to it exceeds its boyancy and it captizes, down she goes, 2) if you anchor in a river with your stern upstream and a wave comes over it, again, down she goes.
"Unsinkability" is no cure for stupidity.
Roy
uhu posted 06-09-2006 11:02 PM ET (US)
Yeah, I missed everything also, last week had a bad case of the flu so might have missed the news. This is the first I have heard of it. If I find anything out though, I will report back.
bigjohn1 posted 06-10-2006 02:27 AM ET (US)
I can think of another way they sink. The Yellow Sea in December, the black of night, Boston Whaler Guardian with five very cold and wet individuals approaches the stern of a U.S. Navy ARS recovery ship to drop said individuals off. The bow of the Guardian gets stuck UNDER the stern of said recovery ship. Guardian breaks in three peices and sinks. First-hand report, I was there, you don't read about these incidents in the locals news.
Perry posted 06-10-2006 02:52 AM ET (US)
I missed it too but will watch yesterday's news (on demand) and see what they had on TV.
bigjohn, how does foam sink? It doesn't matter how many pieces it breaks into, most of a Whaler consists of foam and should not sink.
bigjohn1 posted 06-10-2006 10:06 AM ET (US)
Perry - after thinking back to the incident, two of the three peices sank rather than all three. Foam does indeed float, till you strap enough heavy equipment on it to overcome that section's positive bouyancy. This was a military Guardian, not a private fishing boat.
Perry posted 06-11-2006 04:19 AM ET (US)
I saw the newscast tonight and the two brothers said in an interview that a rogue wave swamped their boat. There were not sure if it was going to sink, so the tried to swim to shore. They were not able to and were rescued by a passing ship. Their Boston Whaler was later recovered and they have it back minus their rods and reels which were stolen by someone before the boat was towed back to shore.
So, the boat did not sink.
minitauk85 posted 06-11-2006 06:08 AM ET (US)
If only they had known about the "unsinkable" advantage of whalers, they might have been able to crank the motor and run the water out! Thanks for the update-k
hmbbuddy posted 06-16-2006 04:11 PM ET (US)
One day, a genious will come forth and come up with a water-repellent tight engine capsule, where the weight of the lower unit is heavier than the motor itself. Which means the new engines will now be much lighter. If a whaler capsizes, the engine goes reversed/upside using an automatic rotator bracket; then just attach a separate gas line and a pull a manual switch for manual operations. Slowly, it might be possible to run the boat back to the dock upside-down. I think this scenario might go well on the lakes/ponds. I think it is impossible if in offshore fishing. The waves unless really calm can be the hurdle.
But I still like the idea of having the motor rotated to avoid damage to the engine (keep engine head above water) since most whalers will float upside down maybe like those 17 Montauks. Just one of my weird ideas. OK ... fire away :)!
sweetrevenge posted 06-24-2006 12:47 PM ET (US)
First of all.. This idiot of a writer "Alyssa Navares" should et her facts stright before she writes an article!
The Boat was most likely a 13' or 15' not a 14'.. and the boat was most likely a Bayliner! not a Boston Whaler!

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Author	Topic: It finally happened, Whaler "sinks"!!
minitauk85	posted 06-09-2006 05:12 AM ET (US) The topic says it all guys! A whaler finally sunk! Before you freak out- I read another version of this story in which the Whaler capsized-k http://starbulletin.com/2006/06/08/news/story13.html
JustinAndersen	posted 06-09-2006 07:51 AM ET (US) Do you believe everything you read? Every time I have had intimate knowledge of something reported in the news I'm blown away by how many errors and how little accurate fact the piece contains. It's the physics behind the Whaler hull that makes it unsinkable, not hype. I suspect that (and I'm being generous here) they were using the term "Whaler" in a generic sense like you would Kleenex or Xerox. Or the reporter simply got the brand wrong. It wasn't a Whaler.
Sheila	posted 06-09-2006 07:59 AM ET (US) Or the other version of the story with the capsize is more accurate. Maybe Uhu, Perry, Rene, or some of our other members from Hawaii can shed some light.
LuckyLady	posted 06-09-2006 12:41 PM ET (US) I missed the whole ball of wax. Haven't seen local news for about a week. Being on the Big Island, Oahu could be on the mainland as far as news go.
minitauk85	posted 06-09-2006 01:41 PM ET (US) Justin- Obviously I don't believe everything I read! Do you misunderstand everything you read? I also mentioned the other story in which the Whaler was described as capsizing to provide an alternative to the impossible! I guess sarcasm doesn't do well in print. Of course the Whaler didn't sink, I thought some of y'all might get a kick out of this article and that's why I posted it! But thanks for the physics lesson-k
pglein	posted 06-09-2006 01:42 PM ET (US) This sounds just like the story a few months ago off Coos Bay, OR. The news reported that a Boston Whaler had sunk off the jetty, but showed pictures of a Bayliner washed up on the beach. The reporter got two facts wrong; It wasn't a Whaler, and it hadn't sank.
chopbuster	posted 06-09-2006 01:42 PM ET (US) Balls
pglein	posted 06-09-2006 01:43 PM ET (US) Also, I've never heard of a 14' Boston Whaler.
17 bodega	posted 06-09-2006 02:00 PM ET (US) Newspaper reporters might see capsizing and sinking as synonyms, when in reality they are quite different. Whalers don't sink but they are prone to capsizing. I suppose a whaler with severe foam saturation with water could sink.
Tom W Clark	posted 06-09-2006 02:17 PM ET (US) I would not say that Boston Whalers are prone to capsizing, but they certainly can capsize. I can think of at least two 14' Boston Whaler models.
workboatsrule	posted 06-09-2006 02:37 PM ET (US) Like your BW's my Carolina Skiff won't 'sink' either - even totally swamped. I have determined that the best ways to 'sink' it would involve either some sort of fire (possibly burning enough of the floatation out to allow sinkage) or some sort of explosive (which would blow it into chunks - most of which would probably float).
pglein	posted 06-09-2006 03:04 PM ET (US) Tom, I forgot about the Rage. But what other 14' model is there?
prj	posted 06-09-2006 03:09 PM ET (US) Dauntless. And mini, I enjoyed this: "Do you misunderstand everything you read?"
WHALER27CC	posted 06-09-2006 05:17 PM ET (US) If it was a Rage, the owner should be glad if it did sink.......No doubt it wouldve gone down smoking like a chimney and making a ton of noise , with the impeller clanking and rattling away..........Gee I miss my old Rage. Whatever the boat was, more importantly no one was hurt, life jackets were used, and no one seems to be any worse for the experience
Ranjr13	posted 06-09-2006 05:26 PM ET (US) Whalers sink? Oh no, lookout eBay, here I come a postin' mine - don't want an unsafe boat - better get a Bayliner...
17 bodega	posted 06-09-2006 07:44 PM ET (US) I meant to emphasize that the whalers are "prone" to capsize when swamped in rough seas, and a lone occupant is leaning over the gunnels trying to loosen a fouled downrigger cable or crab pot. "Prone" was probably a poor choice of words but under certain circumstances most boats can be prone to capsizing... It could be that there have just been several incidents in the last couple years in the SF area by sheer chance and the make of the boat has nothing to do with it.
deepwater	posted 06-09-2006 08:24 PM ET (US) I can say that i believe in my heart that if your whaler goes down for what ever reason ,, You better start swimming and very fast,, Cause what ever took it under is going to get tired of it and let it go,, When it comes up ,,and it will ,, You better be far far away when it breaks the surface cause its gonna hurt .
Royboy	posted 06-09-2006 10:30 PM ET (US) I can think of two ways to sink a Whaler. 1) if the weight of the stuff bolted to it exceeds its boyancy and it captizes, down she goes, 2) if you anchor in a river with your stern upstream and a wave comes over it, again, down she goes. "Unsinkability" is no cure for stupidity. Roy
uhu	posted 06-09-2006 11:02 PM ET (US) Yeah, I missed everything also, last week had a bad case of the flu so might have missed the news. This is the first I have heard of it. If I find anything out though, I will report back.
bigjohn1	posted 06-10-2006 02:27 AM ET (US) I can think of another way they sink. The Yellow Sea in December, the black of night, Boston Whaler Guardian with five very cold and wet individuals approaches the stern of a U.S. Navy ARS recovery ship to drop said individuals off. The bow of the Guardian gets stuck UNDER the stern of said recovery ship. Guardian breaks in three peices and sinks. First-hand report, I was there, you don't read about these incidents in the locals news.
Perry	posted 06-10-2006 02:52 AM ET (US) I missed it too but will watch yesterday's news (on demand) and see what they had on TV. bigjohn, how does foam sink? It doesn't matter how many pieces it breaks into, most of a Whaler consists of foam and should not sink.
bigjohn1	posted 06-10-2006 10:06 AM ET (US) Perry - after thinking back to the incident, two of the three peices sank rather than all three. Foam does indeed float, till you strap enough heavy equipment on it to overcome that section's positive bouyancy. This was a military Guardian, not a private fishing boat.
Perry	posted 06-11-2006 04:19 AM ET (US) I saw the newscast tonight and the two brothers said in an interview that a rogue wave swamped their boat. There were not sure if it was going to sink, so the tried to swim to shore. They were not able to and were rescued by a passing ship. Their Boston Whaler was later recovered and they have it back minus their rods and reels which were stolen by someone before the boat was towed back to shore. So, the boat did not sink.
minitauk85	posted 06-11-2006 06:08 AM ET (US) If only they had known about the "unsinkable" advantage of whalers, they might have been able to crank the motor and run the water out! Thanks for the update-k
hmbbuddy	posted 06-16-2006 04:11 PM ET (US) One day, a genious will come forth and come up with a water-repellent tight engine capsule, where the weight of the lower unit is heavier than the motor itself. Which means the new engines will now be much lighter. If a whaler capsizes, the engine goes reversed/upside using an automatic rotator bracket; then just attach a separate gas line and a pull a manual switch for manual operations. Slowly, it might be possible to run the boat back to the dock upside-down. I think this scenario might go well on the lakes/ponds. I think it is impossible if in offshore fishing. The waves unless really calm can be the hurdle. But I still like the idea of having the motor rotated to avoid damage to the engine (keep engine head above water) since most whalers will float upside down maybe like those 17 Montauks. Just one of my weird ideas. OK ... fire away :)!
sweetrevenge	posted 06-24-2006 12:47 PM ET (US) First of all.. This idiot of a writer "Alyssa Navares" should et her facts stright before she writes an article! The Boat was most likely a 13' or 15' not a 14'.. and the boat was most likely a Bayliner! not a Boston Whaler!