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fpelton posted 02-07-2008 02:23 PM ET (US)   Profile for fpelton   Send Email to fpelton  
Hey gang. My brother, who lives in Brooklyn, is looking to buy a boat to use on the upper Hudson.

I'm sure he would not be looking for anything above $10,000, as his wife is tighter that a frogs **s when it comes to spending and she thinks a boat is not practical.
Yay, I know, I would also take the whaler if I had to make the choice.

Anyway, I live hear in Baltimore, so we can really check anything out from Virginia to Conn.

Please let me know if you see anything. Also, he doesn't have the time for a project. Again, I would take the project over the... too.

Thanks much and PLEASE, nobody use this post for their own petty pissing matches.

Spring is just around the corner!


DaveS posted 02-07-2008 03:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for DaveS  Send Email to DaveS     

There have been a few listings in NJ's that have been older hulls that have been recently listed for about $5K while the other was about the max of your budget...there should be more of them on the market now that its getting closer to spring...

Have you considered the 17' Outrage? There have been a few of them listed this winter and they are a nice compromise between the Montauk's and 18' Outrage...wider and deeper v, more storage and rated for 120hp...great all around boat...I was going to upgrade to the classic 18' Outrage but once I saw one I realized it was too close in size to my 17'er...

There were also 2 boats listed recently was for feedback (not sure what happened to that) and the other was a really nice 18' Outrage without power...for their price, you still might be able to pick up a used 135hp engine, yea, it'll be older, but those classic 2 strokes are great engines...and you'll be under budget...

Good luck...


friend99 posted 02-08-2008 10:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    

There is a 18' 1987 Outrage on ebay now. It is located in Island Heights NJ which is about 1 hour 15 minutes from Brooklyn (off Exit 82 on the Garden State Parkay). It has a "Buy it Now" price of $8,500, but you can probably buy if for less if you contact the seller.

Personally, I like the 18' Outrage better than the 17' Montauk because of its smoother ride and configuration. They also tend to hold their value more and are easier to sell since many people want them and they are not manufactured any more.

Good luck.

Tohsgib posted 02-08-2008 11:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
17 montauks are not made anymore either.

Get the Asbury Park press on Sunday, salty dog, and a boat shopper. Try the Sandpaper which is a little rag on LBI but a lot of whalers in the spring.

friend99 posted 02-09-2008 01:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    

That 18' Outrage I told you about sold on ebay (Item #120219742815) for the Buy it Now price of $8,500 5 days before the auction ended. The boat market is extremely slow, but a "great deal" like that will sell quickly. I will let you know if I see anything else.

dscew posted 02-09-2008 03:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for dscew  Send Email to dscew     
I'm sure you will. Don't forget to double the price. And don't take a penny less!
Yiddil posted 02-09-2008 03:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
Bob. lots of whalers under 10,000...take your time

Look in the states close to and around Maryland and you will see lots out their....for under 10,000, craiglist etc... Dave, the 5k hull and repower is a painted boat, not just bottom paint, Ive talked to the owner..some might say okay to that, I tend to stay away from repainted and not gelcoated...but its your flavor. Point is there lots out their all the time and you dont need anyone to tell you what you like or the 6-8500 range....

see craigslist, Texas, Nyc and surrounding area....conn., delaware, Va.lots out their...

Don't take the advice of a Cretin...

good luck...Henry AKA THE YIDDIL

fpelton posted 02-09-2008 04:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for fpelton  Send Email to fpelton     
Thanks for the tips, both on forum and by email. I think at $10,000, we (my bro) have a good budget. I have found a few 15 footers while looking for the right 17. One that's got me thinking... I might bump up from my 13SS lmt. Warning... Helping your brother find his boat could lead to YOU buying another one. God this is fun. My wife would kill me.

Right now I tow my 13 whaler behind our big old slow boat trawler all over the Chesapeake. I bought a nice old Albin 36 a few years agoa and brought her back to life. I bet a 15 would be no more drag than the 13. As it is, it feels like I am towing a gigantic bag of cement blocks. Couldn't image a 15SS would be much drag. Thoughts? Top speed is 7 knotts.

The up side to the 13 is that I take it EVERYWHERE. This winter, we towed it down to the Keys and fished Islamorada. Last summer, we towed it up to Maine, ran around Bah Haba, then Connecticut, etc. Everwhere we stopped, we dropped her in and enjoyed the area from the water. Nothing better.

Anyhow... keep the info coming. We'll have him a boat in no time! Or maybe I'll have a new 15 as well and we'll be peddling my 13 (with 2yr old yami 40, of course) to someone else.

It's over 60 degrees today in Baltimore. I just went out and rubbed the engine and told her "soon enough, soon enough!".


friend99 posted 02-09-2008 04:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    

A 15' will tow very easily as well. I like the 15' Dauntless better than the 15 Sport because you stay dryer and the v-hull gives a much better ride. On the downside the 15' Dauntless costs more than the 15' Sport or 15' Super Sport, but if you look hard you can find a good deal. Either 15' boat will tow very easily. I towed a 15' Dauntless 800 miles from the South last month with no problem. Forgot it was towing it. If you are keeping the 13' SS beacuse it is easy to tow, then you are making a mistake because a 15' will tow easy too.

Good luck and I will e-mail you with additional information and boats. Thanks for providing your wish list.


fpelton posted 02-09-2008 05:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for fpelton  Send Email to fpelton     
The Dauntless is a very nice boat, I agree. And I also believe it is a dryer boat than a SS. My friend has one and we've been out in pretty good seas.

The SS, however, has such nice lines. And other than the Ltd. A little wood is nice as well, which the dauntless has none.

Also, I haven't seen as many 15 Dauntlesses around for sale as I have 15SS.


Yiddil posted 02-09-2008 06:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yiddil  Send Email to Yiddil     
fpelton....check the Rend. thread on the potomac river swim.....That 36 Albin would have fun down there with your new soon to be t/t....if interested, email me back channel...Henry, AKA THE YIDDIL :)
JMARTIN posted 02-09-2008 06:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
When I was looking for a 17 foot Montauk for my friend to own and me to play in, the area in your profile would get some nice looking ones in your price range. Look every day. We found one in the Pacific Northwest but paid about 25% more than the ones we saw nearer the East coast. John
friend99 posted 02-10-2008 02:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for friend99    
Bob..........I know exactly where you are coming from. The 15 SS has beautiful lines and is is stunning with the wood. Don't worry about towing the 15 could tow that boat with a VW beatle. A will keep an eye out for a 15' SS as well as a 17 - 18 footer for your brother.
whalernut posted 03-23-2008 08:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Bob, did you find anything? If not I have a nice 17`(16`7") 1973 Currituck(bench seat model) for sale, way below $10,000!!


seabob4 posted 03-23-2008 08:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for seabob4  Send Email to seabob4     
Can't resist! You guys (you know who I'm talking about) never quit, do you? Give it a rest!!
kdspawwah posted 03-23-2008 09:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for kdspawwah  Send Email to kdspawwah     
If still looking this 18' GTX outrage is worth a look.
I was not familiar with this D/C Outrage. Looks like it would be a good cruiser for your brother around the Hudson. THis is in Albany and bidding just ended at 6K+ with the reserve not met. Worth a email.
Item number: 320229060335
fpelton posted 03-24-2008 09:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for fpelton  Send Email to fpelton     
Hello Gentleman.

Dispite my pushing for a whaler, my brother put a deposit on a new 2006 American Skiff with a 50hp Suzuki 4 stroke.
The boat is new, a left-over that has not sold.

In the end, this might be the best thing for him. I would want 70hp or more on a 16, but the bottom line is that he will have a new engine with 3yr warranty.

I wouldn't have gone that route, but I have been know to buy boats that are headed for the grave and turn em into something to be proud of. I also can do my own engine work, etc. He can't. He lives in a brownstone in Brooklyn and has a place up on the Hudson.

In the end, I am glad he got a boat! It is his first one (at age 43, that is criminal).

As I have not even heard of American Skiff until this time, I am interested in seeing how this boat performs.

Thanks for all the help.

Bo Neato posted 03-24-2008 09:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bo Neato  Send Email to Bo Neato     
Looks like a neat little fishing layout:

fpelton posted 03-24-2008 10:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for fpelton  Send Email to fpelton     
BTW, he paid $10,000 plus taxes. Got stainless rails, anchor and coast guard package thrown in.
John McBride posted 03-24-2008 11:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for John McBride  Send Email to John McBride     
I'm not familiar with the brand. Despite that, he could have done MUCH worse for 10 grand.
Mark D posted 03-30-2008 05:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Mark D    
Maybe a 17' Montauk for sale. I have 1982 17' Montauk. 2007 Venture Bunk Trailer, 1997 90 HP Yamaha w/stainless prop (fresh carbs 2007) recent tune up low hours~maybe 100, Lowrance DF/FF w/Speed & Temp, Two new 2007 combo batteries, Full trailerable mooring cover, bimini top w/front foul weather bow cover enclosure. Boat has all its original Whaler stuff on it except for bow light. The condition of would be best described having its share of scrapes and dings and spider cracks for a boat its age. What I consider normal for a boat was used. It is bottom painted too. I am considering selling the boat for the right price to right person. Boat is located on Upper Chesapeake Bay area. Near Chesapeake City.

merc125 posted 03-30-2008 06:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for merc125  Send Email to merc125     
Please let us know how it compares to whaler in build and fitting quality. Thanks MartyD
DaveS posted 03-30-2008 11:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for DaveS  Send Email to DaveS     
I remember looking at the American Skiffs about 8-10 years ago....I really liked the lines...a nearby dealer was selling them who was a friend of mine...after about a year, I finally had the time to talk with him about the boats...turns out he really wasn't impressed with things...he said they had a few problems but it's been too long for me to remember what exactly they were...turns out, he stopped selling the line a short while after...


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