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Yogi Bear posted 02-28-2002 03:10 PM ET (US)   Profile for Yogi Bear   Send Email to Yogi Bear  
First,let me say thanks to Jim and all you wonderfull Whalerites out there! This site is terrific!The feedback from all the questions out there has been an invaluable resourse to me and many others I'm sure.
Yep...I,m a newbee.
I've got a 1969 well used Whaler w/88hp. evenrude(early to mid 80 vintage) The hull has a dammaged portion where the bow contacts the trailer.I don't know what this kind of whaler was originally called.It has a side console. Steering wheel is more horizontal.Originally it had a vynl windshield that was attached w/rope to a chrome bar that looped around above the dash.
Any way, I need to clean this baby up.I bought a new seat and center console from Boat U.S.I intend to strip everything out of the existing boat,(including rub rail,motor,seat,console,etc...)and prep the hull,and repaint.Then put it all back together.I have never painted a boat before and was hoping for some imput etc... from all of you exerienced Whaler enthusiasts.
The one thing I already regret is not getting a wood console.
JBCornwell posted 02-28-2002 03:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Howdy, Yogi.

Your boat is a Katama.

If you can possibly restore the gelcoat finish, please don't paint it. Touching up gelcoat is not difficult, but un-painting a boat is a real . . .um . . . difficult task.

Good luck. I look forward to regular reports on yur progress.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

Bigshot posted 02-28-2002 03:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
That was a Katama. 88hp came out in 1987 I believe and made until 1995 or 1996. Paint has come down in price recently and a great 2 part epoxy now runs in the $20 for a qt. I hear if warm you can roller it and have somebody go behind you with a fine brush and it comes out better than sprayed. Get the rubrail from Twin Cities marine and they will deliver a factory BW 3 piece rubrail for $115 to your door(just got mine this week). Make sure you get a wood diagram so you know where to mount the new console and seat. Bolting into the floor will just rip out if not bolted to the wood below.
Yogi Bear posted 02-28-2002 05:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yogi Bear  Send Email to Yogi Bear     
Wow,you guys don't miss much!You must be plank owners here @ Whaler forum! Thank you for your quick/informative response.
I bought this boat at the beginning of last summer,didn't want to use up any valuable fun time to restore it.It is now in storage.I just got permission from a terrific new next door neighbor to use his big garage/small barn for the restoration project.I need to have this done by June.
The bottom had been painted several times in the not so recent past.It looks bad,real bad.The rest is some pretty good wear and tear.I've got access to a power washer,and compressor.I know for a good paint job (or gel coat)I would first have to take everything out and clean the daylights out of it.If it turns out a good cleaning will do I'll stop there.I do think it will need more.I may consider at that point, to send it out to a guy who paints cars.I am a little fearfull of screwing things up.
I'll have it here this weekend,and will let you know. Thanks again, Andy
Taylor posted 02-28-2002 05:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
Welcome Andy! There are some nice Katama pictures are on Cetacea page 30 . There are also two pics on page 15. I think the canvas windscreen is a great yachty touch. I'd keep it if you can.

You might explore buffing out the gelcoat, which is my project for this spring. The blue interior never seems to be the right color in the pictures of the one's I've seen repainted. There are several threads here on different approaches to gelcoat restoring. To find them expand the range of displayed messages to the maximum 2 years and search with browser search function (Edit... Find...)

Chesapeake posted 02-28-2002 06:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chesapeake  Send Email to Chesapeake     
Andy: Welcome!

Had you given any consideration to cleaning up the original console? The Katama is such a neat classic, with the windshield as such. There is some expertise on this site to help you fix it up... particularly from more han a few folks that jealously guard the concept of retaining a classic whaler as a classic.

Had I known of this site prior to starting the re-hab on my '69 Nauset, there are more than just a few things I would have done differently.

Good luck in your restoration. You will have great fun.

dscew posted 02-28-2002 06:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for dscew    
Welcome to the forum, and to the small alumni of Katama owners. I have a 74 model, and I love it. I had a new canvas/vinyl windscreen made last spring, and I have the reversible pilot seat optin. Refinished the wood and buffed her up after I bought her, and it looks great. Fabulous alternative to the aclaimed (and rightly so) Montauk. I will be putting in some kind of mahogany aft seat this year.
squernt posted 02-28-2002 08:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for squernt  Send Email to squernt     

I have a 71' Katama and the the last piece of the puzzle for my project is the windscreen. Where did you get yours made at? Was it a local canvas shop? And how much did it cost you? If it was a local place how did you measre the pattern or did you take the boat to have them measure it? Thanks

Yogi Bear posted 02-28-2002 08:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yogi Bear  Send Email to Yogi Bear     
OK you guys you got me thinking seriosly of retaining the originl Katama. When I bought this boat,it had no drivers seat.I put in a Topp reversable seat from Boat U.S.The canvas windscreen wasn't there either.There was a thick plexiglass square windshield screwed in. Any idea where I could get the canvas windshield? Also the wood diagram?

Hey Bigshot,how do I find Twin Cities marine?
And for you true purist's...This is a 1969...will I be allowed to put on a black rubrail rather than a white one???

Chesapeake,what would you do differently??

Dscew,..Aft seat sounds great! Let me know!

trainer posted 02-28-2002 10:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for trainer  Send Email to trainer     
Twin Cities Marine
Parts person is Sue. She is wonderful.
I just got a rub rail for my 15 supersport droped shipped from Whaler through them for less than $100. It took 3 days from order to delivery.
I found that it is about the same price to get the boat re gelcoated as to get it painted, if you do the grunt work (stripping and sanding)

dscew posted 02-28-2002 10:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for dscew    
I had a windscreen made locally. She did a very nice job using Pacific Blue Sunbrella and my old, tattered one for a pattern. Brass grommets (not plated). I still have the old one and I could get it to her to make you one if you want. She included the snaps, which I installed since she didn't have the boat there. Otherwise, Mills offers them too, but get your wallet out. They charge a premuim, about $260 as I recall. I paid somewhere around $150 I think. Yogi Bear, I'm glad you're thinking about retaining the original console--it is really very cool, quite rare now, and a real head-turner. Also has lots of room for instrumentation. And the standard chrome Morse control is neat too. I had the boat in a local outboard shop for a tuneup last spring, and the mechanic told me he had a steady stream of customers wanting to buy it. Do you have the mahogany topped reversible pilot seat or the stationary one? My aft seat will probably be mahogany slats, and I have a 12" wide Outrage cushion which I'll have modified in length to fit. When it's done, I'll ask jimh to post some photos (if it is ever worthy of Cetacea status).
squernt posted 03-01-2002 12:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for squernt  Send Email to squernt     
I have a question since we have all the katama clan here together and this may help you too Yogi if you decide to go original with yours (which is highly recommended). What is the piece of wood on the left side of the boat just below the side rails and across from the console? Referencre Pg. 30 of Cetacea of the 71' from the front view. And what is its purpose?
Yogi, I think you should go original with the Katama, you'll appreciate it more in the long run and you have a great resource here to help you along the way, and like dscew said it is rare and will draw attention wherever you go, I wouldn't do mine any other way.
dscew posted 03-01-2002 08:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for dscew    
The piece of wood you're referring to is called a clamp; on the smaller boats it is used to hold the thwart seats in position. On my Katama, it is used as a mounting point for the bimini top. It is also, (I believe) used to aesthetically compliment the longer one on the other side to which the console is bolted.
Chesapeake posted 03-01-2002 11:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chesapeake  Send Email to Chesapeake     
Yogi - As I listen to the other Katama owners, they are answering for you the question "what would you do differently?"

Not knowing about classics and owning the boat well before the internet, the first thing I did was put on the three piece, all black rub rail from the Montauk anniversary edition. It looks great with the blue interior and white exterior, but it isn't original. It's like putting Cragar mag wheels on a 66 Mustang -- looks cool, but not original. You can still get the one piece, glue on rub rail somewhere -- check out the OEM section of this sight. Also, I know that Jim Knight of the Classic Whaler News offered them for sale in his newsletter.

Next, the previous owner painted the mahogany console and RPS and I didn't know any better. The RPS was so trashed and I build a new one, then epoxied and all-gripped it. For all of that trouble and if I had known better, I would have rebuilt the RPS from mahogany veneered marine ply and varnished it.

Without much detail, I ended up doing the same (awl-grip) when rebuilding the console base and refinishing the console. Now, it looks great and has retained some of its glory as a Nauset, but it is not original, it is a hybrid between a Nauset and Montauk, a Nautauk, if you will. I love it, but would do it differently next time.

As you start to re-hab, go back to some older threads, there are some great threads on how to bring back the shine and finish of the blue interior. LHG provided that 3 step process and it is unbelievable what the results are. You can make the blue interior of the hull look like it was 1969 all over again.

Don't know how your wiring is and if your bowlight still works. If it does... great! If it does not and you want it to, then you might be wise to go with the three piece rubrail because you can hide all of the new wiring back to the console behind the vinyl insert. That is pretty slick.

Last advice, if you need to do any gelcoat repairs, the little spectrum kits work really well. Don't be afraid if you haven't done it before, it is easy and takes patience. Two pieces of advice there, which I got from everyone on this site: 1) Don't cheat by skipping sandpaper grits and go all the way to 2000 (if you find it) grit and wet sand; and 2) if you're repairing the blue, buy the blue and some white also to tint as the blue will never match perfectly out of the little jar.

I guess that's it. Have at it and have fun. Let us know if we can be of help.

Yogi Bear posted 03-03-2002 01:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yogi Bear  Send Email to Yogi Bear     
What is an RPS?
Just a bit of an update..I started by removing the rails and wood.My Katama dosn't have the"clamp"as refered to above and seen on pg.30.I'm going to have the wood replaced.I will supply the wood and a friend of my son will do it in shop class!(Yahoo!)
We then applied Turtle rubbing compound with a buffer and then turtle wax {brand} polishing compound on the interior bow section.An astonishing transformation occured! That blue luster looks like it must have looked in 1969!!This method seems to work great with just the products that I had in my garage. We are only about one third of the way through the inside.I intend to remove the motor and console,finish the inside,turn the boat over and try this majic on the bottom.I'm not too optimistic about the bottom.
Now I've got to ask.... What is the difference between paint and gelcoat?
Sorry about the dumb question,but I really don,t know.
My console is going to need paint/gelcoat if its going to stay.
Thank You all once again for your help,
Yogi Bear posted 03-03-2002 02:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yogi Bear  Send Email to Yogi Bear     
One more thing....
Spectrum kit?..What's that?
dscew posted 03-03-2002 06:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for dscew    
RPS=Reversible Pilot Seat. The standard Katama had a fixed seat with a fixed back. An option was the RPS, found in all Montauks. The 70s vintage had either a teak or mahogany seat back.
Yogi Bear posted 03-03-2002 08:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Yogi Bear  Send Email to Yogi Bear     
Thanks,I should have been able to figure that one out!
lae posted 03-04-2002 12:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for lae  Send Email to lae     
For what it is worth. I took the 12 yr old for the first of the year spring trout trip in Autumn ('74 Katama)today. Cold and choppy on local lake but managed to get him into a sixteen incher before we wimped out. Just starting into the redo of mine so look forward to the Katama club for advice.
Chesapeake posted 03-04-2002 10:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chesapeake  Send Email to Chesapeake     

Spectrum is the company that sells the gelcoat paste patch kits. They contain an ounce or two of gelcoat and a small bottle of activator.

Paint is paint. For marine purposes, there are marine paints, rather than using exterior latex or oil paints. The better paints are generally some type of polyurethane paints than can be two or even three parts that you mix together. Some apply best when sprayed (Awl-grip), but there are others that do well when rolled or even brushed on (Interthane, etc.)

Gelcoat is a bit different. It is a solid color substance that is applied to the fiberglass mat that gives your boat its shiny finish. Compared to paint, which is just a thin surface film, gelcoat is generally applied as a much thicker surface. I would guess that your console is glass, covered by gelcoat.

If the Katama console is in really bad shape as you say, I would want to know why. Is it dirty / dull or are there many chips or cracks. If the former, try the three step process of compound / polish / wax to see how it cleans up. If it is the latter, you could either try to patch with Spectrum gelcoat paste or patch with epoxy and then paint.

Good luck.

baltica posted 03-04-2002 11:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for baltica  Send Email to baltica     
order a new canvas windscreen from Mills for about $245. MILLS WILLIAM J & CO Phone: (631) 749-2283

I bought my 1971 Katama last year from a fellow who restored it. Instead of gelcoat, he used WestMarine epoxy to paint the hull (inside and out) it looks great.

I've posted some photos of the boat at

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