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posted 07-27-2000 05:06 PM ET (US)
I was just curious. After reading another thread, a few comments were made as to what they towed their precious craft with. I'm wondering what could be learned from an unscientific sort of poll. So, I'll go first:
I currently pull an '85 18 Outrage, with full transom and a '95 150 OMC Ocenarunner on an Armstrong Bracket with a '99 Chevy S-10 Blazer (4 door). Roughly 195 h.p. and a 5500 lb. towing capacity. I'm guessing the entire rig (not including S.U.V.) weighs in at 2100lb. w/o full fuel. I'm am extremely pleased with my rig. Have pulled my boat to Florida several times and to the Mississippi gulf coast 20+ times from New Orleans. I'm very comfortable rolling at 60-65 m.p.h. with the a/c blasting! Who's next? I know there is someone out there towing with a Cadillac land yacht from pictures I've seen on Cetacia.
posted 07-28-2000 12:54 AM ET (US)
Towing the light weight 15-Sport (about 1400# all up) with a Ford Crown Victoria, one of the last full-size, V-8, rear-wheel drive cars made these days.
The '93 Vic has a 4.6L V-8, and has towed the little Whaler around for about 6,000 miles without a problem. Added an aftermarket Transmission Oil Aux Cooler. I just moved the trailer up to13-inch radial tires, so we can tow at 65-70 MPH, trying to keep up with traffic. Gas mileage towing is around 18 MPG, although with the higher speed lately it has dropped a bit.
posted 07-28-2000 01:58 AM ET (US)
hauptjm>>> i've got an 87 18' outrage that i pull with a 92 gmc sierra(350). it pulls the rig fine although the old motor most definately knows its back there. you might have under estimated the total weight you're pulling though. from this website i've learned the hull is 1250 lbs and my yamaha 150hp is 420 lbs the trailer approx 600 lbs dual batteries 80 lbs . i add 390 lbs for 65 gallons gas, and 100 lbs for coolers anchor and all the gear . toal of approx. 2840 lbs. the truck goes fine at 60-65 mph , any thing more it seems im really working it. you got me wondering >with basically the same boat and motor what are you finding your boats top speed is. i get 55 on my fish finder but about 50 topps on the g.p.s. which i feel is more accurate.>>> frank
posted 07-28-2000 06:13 AM ET (US)
Ok -- until we sold her this past Spring our '78 20 deep V 175 Johnson Outrage loaded on a Cox single axle 14" tires w/brakes was towed by our '93 Ford Aeostar long wheel base, electronic 4 wheel drive --- used a load equalizing hitch and she was fine to about 60 mph. Only stain was when you had to take a steep hill from a dead stop ---
We aren't pulling the 27 with anything or intend to either --- chuckle --
Our '89 13 Sport, just purchased, can be practically towed by whatever!!-- will use the Van, or the Explorer maybe even our '89 Toy Land Cruiser doubtful on this one -- it only gets 10 mpg without anything attached!!!! With the 35hp she weights in at a little less than 500 lbs --- barely enough to weight the trailer down ---
JimH --- how did you get your 15 Sport up to 1400 lbs????
posted 07-28-2000 07:48 AM ET (US)
Currently pull my 21 Conquest with a 98 Blazer, but I only have to pull it a few miles(max 20 miles). I think the weight of the Conquest would be too much for a long interstate tow, even though its just within the rated tow capacity. About as fast as I get up to is 55 and with brakes on the trailer its OK stopping, but I watch real close so I don't end up in a hard stop situation. On the other hand the last vehicle
I towed my Montauk with was a Jeep Wrangler.
I had to upgrade the vehicle to wider tires,
high performance brakes, and custom tow rig( shocks, class 2 tow bar, etc). I was
comfortable at speeds to 70, but it took some
work to get everything "right". Probably would have been cheaper to buy a real tow
vehicle. Just a word of warning, short wheel base vehicles are not a good choice, better
have a lot of tow experience before going that route. IMHO....
posted 07-28-2000 08:23 AM ET (US)
Im towing a 15 ft s.s. w/ johnson 60 about 1100 lbs total gear & gas. w/ a 93 corvette conv. Im getting about 18-20 mpg on the hwy. The vette has so much torqe I can barely tell its there sometimes. There is nothing better than heading to the keys w/ the top down and the 15 in tow.
posted 07-28-2000 08:40 AM ET (US)
I'm presently towing my 21' Walkaround with a '92 Explorer, V6, with weight distributing hitch. My guesstimate on total weight is 4500#. Explorer does fine on level ground and will hold 65 mph with the cruise control, but hills tend to strain the old girl. Recently installed disc brakes on the trailer have made a big difference in stopping ability.
Jim, also curious how you managed 1400# with the 15, as bare hull weight is listed as 580#.
posted 07-28-2000 09:07 AM ET (US)
Rick (a.k.a. reeltime2) is my hero! A 15' with a ragtop Vette tow vehicle. Sigh.
I'm presently towing my Sport 15 with a 1990 Honda Civic wagon. Works like a charm, except for very steep ramps. Typical tow is 25 miles (waterskiing) or 60 miles (fishing/scalloping). I get 20mpg towing, 35mpg not.
I'm inspired by Rick, though. I think my next tow vehicle just might be a 1969 Mustang ragtop.
posted 07-28-2000 12:18 PM ET (US)
I towed my last Montauk with a '98 Mercury Mountaineer; V-8, 230 hp +/-, set up with tow package, etc., and it would and did tow Mich. to Fla. and back with hardly a clue it was back there short of the gas bills. 75 mph all day long, would (and did, once)100 mph. Rotten gas mileage, and up the steepest grades it would lose speed near the top, even though I towed as per mfr. recommendations with overdrive off...98% of the time, it was absolutely fine.
Picked up my current Outrage 22' a little over a year ago, gas, trailer and all I'm guessing 4000# on the hoof, and by using premium grade gas the Mountaineer would tow it (Cincinatti and back a couple of times, Canada and back - 500 mi. e.w. - once), but it always felt in the seat of my pants that the towee was bigger and badder than the tower.
Moved up to a new Yukon last October, full towing package, 260 hp +/-, scads of low-end torque, etc. It tows the Outrage like the Mountaineer towed the Montauk, and the feeling in the driver's seat is that we are in charge, probably to a higher degree even than the Mount./Montauk combo. GM does not issue a default directive to tow out of overdrive like Ford does, and as long as I stay below 65 mph, overdrive pulls just fine in most conditions and the rpm's are down around 1500 or below - gas mileage probably around 9 or 10. BUT, I normally drive around 75, 3rd gear so it's not hunting, around 2000 rpm, probable gas mileage of 7 or 8. Lots of control, lots of torque, happy camper.
posted 07-28-2000 03:52 PM ET (US)
WOW! What a diversity in plow horses. Keep 'em coming, I think this is a great insight, considering so many of us like to explore various waterways.
In reply to Frank...... your total weight is correct - I forgot the trailer weight...oops!
In reply to Kingfish.... My friends at a local GM dealer tell me we should always pull in 3rd unless you have the new "tow" feature on your shift lever. My guess is that it simply overrides the transmission to 3rd anyway.
posted 07-28-2000 03:57 PM ET (US)
I forgot....in response to your question of speed.... G.P.S. tells me 52 m.p.h. in absolutely perfect conditions. I truly believe my Armstrong bracket adds a little. In contrast the solid transom weight probably takes a little back. So, I quess it evens out.
posted 07-28-2000 08:46 PM ET (US)
Check the rippems in my last post - I tested it on the way home from work and at 65 mph in od, she's turning 1700 or 1800; at 75 mph in 3rd it's about 3000. Senior moment, I guess...
posted 07-28-2000 11:42 PM ET (US)
Gee, reeltime2 is probably turning about
1300 RPM at 65 in his vette. I've got a
'87 'vette that does that. 27 MPG on the
freeway (the Pathfinder gets 19 without
No, I don't tow the Montauk with the 'vette.
Towing at 75? That's CHP-bait here in Calif.
posted 07-29-2000 03:02 AM ET (US)
Last time over a scale the 15-Sport on the 17-foot Shorelandr trailer weighed in at 1350#. That was missing a few things on board, so I figure the typical all-up weight must be closer to 1400#.
The trailer is pretty beefy for this boat, I guess. Either that, or the scale --a big truck scale for weighing semi's full of scrap metal--is a little generous on the low end.
I like the feel of towing a trailer that is about 35% of the max. rating for the tow vehicle.
The Crown Vic is a nice long-wheelbase car, but it also has a very long trunk line, putting the centerline of the rear axle a long way from the hitch-ball.
posted 08-06-2000 01:32 PM ET (US)
I will be towing my Montauk with a '93 Jeep Wrangler, 4.0 liter inline 6 (180 hp) and a 5 speed. The Jeep is equiped with the factory off road package (HD gas shocks and factory draw bar rated for 250# tounge weight),4 core HD radiator, and I've upgraded the tires to 235 BF Goodrich ATs (stock diameter on 15x8 alloys). I towed a very heavy UHaul trailer cross country with this rig (Cape Cod to California!) with no problems, and towed my 13 as if it were not there. Aside from the usual cautions for short wheelbase towing, does anyone have input on the need for trailer brakes or other equipment for this rig? Most of my towing will be local (5 miles) but I'd like to take the boat to some lakes and up to SF Bay (60+ miles). I plan to buy a stronger tow vehicle in about a year (Grand Cherokee?), so I'd rather not put a lot into the current rig if I don't have to. Buy the way, the big upside for short tow rigs is that they are easy to manuever with a trailer in tight spots, ie. backing into tight driveways, etc.
posted 08-07-2000 10:35 AM ET (US)
Your Jeep rig specs out about the same as
the Nissan Pathfinder I tow my Montauk
with, and your Bay Area towing seems similar
to mine (Morgan Hill to Monterey mostly,
occasionally up to one of the Gold Rush
country lakes). My rig is fine, yours should
posted 08-07-2000 01:56 PM ET (US)
I pull my '99 Dauntless 14, 75hp Merc with a '93 190E 4cyl Mercedes. No long hills but it works for around the Seattle area.
posted 08-07-2000 03:01 PM ET (US)
I tow my 81 Montauk with a 95 Chevy Tahoe 4 door, 2 WD. It has a 5.7 liter engine (350) that provides plenty of power. I have an aftermarket transmission cooler to extend tranny life. I use OD sometimes once I get up to speed and it does fine.
posted 08-07-2000 05:24 PM ET (US)
I tow my 1985 18' outrage 150hp johnson with a 96 dodge ram(318).I bought it in Tampa 2 months ago,towed it 700 miles to Greensboro N.C.It did great at 70 mph.
posted 08-07-2000 06:42 PM ET (US)
I use a '97 Dodge Caravan to tow my Montauk on a Highlander trailer. The van is rated at 3500lbs and the boat, engine, trailer weigh in under 2K. I believe the trailer has 13" tires but they may be 14". Just hauled the boat from PA to Maine and held 70mph no problems with 3 kayaks and camping equipment piled in. Long hills do get the transmission hunting for gears at times though. Around town, I barely know the boat is back there. At highway speeds I have almost no acceleration though. Gas mileage takes a beating (10-12mph)and the van will eat brakes during the course of the summer.
One semi-related trailering note... I tow my boat with the engine up since it will hit the ground if lowered. Anyway about 200 miles into the latest trip the back of the boat cover came loose and flipped the manual release lever causing the engine to lower and turning the bottom 2.5" of the skeg into bright yellow sparks on Rt. 95. I need an idea for preventing this... transom saver?
posted 08-08-2000 12:08 AM ET (US)
I tow with a 98 Ford Ranger V-6, 4 liter, 2 wheel drive, limited slip differential, heavy duty suspension, and trailer towing package. I towed my previous Whaler, Dauntless 15, up and back from Lake Tahoe no problems ... slowing down to 40 mph going up the grades. Now I'm towing a Montauk.
posted 08-09-2000 10:06 PM ET (US)
My usual tow is 2 miles. I am about to tow my 18'outrage 800 miles. How important is a towing cover for the boat. I never bothered before because I store the boat indoors and had a very short tow to the water.
posted 08-10-2000 01:20 AM ET (US)
I have about 12-15,000 miles towing my
Montauk over the last two and a half years.
I don't own a cover (the boat lives in one
stall of my garage). I have zero damage
posted 08-13-2000 07:21 AM ET (US)
My tow vehicle is a Ford F-150 with a
4.6L V8.I took my boat over the scales just
prior to buying a new trailer.17 Outrage weighed in at 2600 lbs.My new trailer has 14
inch wheels,torsion axle,4 bunks,with the center 2 bunks forming a > towards the back of the trailer.I had to remove the carpet and cut portions of the bunk out to allow for the water pickup and fish box drain.
The trailer does great,but I only have to tow
less than 5 miles to the ramp.
My fishing spot in 80ft. of water is 28 miles from there.From my 24 miles out of
Johnspass I,m just about 1 hour from loading
the boat and heading home.
posted 08-13-2000 07:45 AM ET (US)
I tow my 85 18 Outrage with a 99 F250 Ford Crew (4 door) pickup. It has the Powerstroke diesel, and with the looonnng wheelbease, pulling is a breeze. I generally tow the house behind the boat, too, in case I need some extra supplies.
posted 08-13-2000 11:33 PM ET (US)
I too have a 18' Outrage that I tow with a diesel pickup. My truck is a 95 GMC 3500 one ton four wheel drive. 19.5 mpg empty and probably around 14 or 15 towing my boat. I also pull my boat at 70-75 unless someone is in the way.
posted 04-25-2001 06:55 PM ET (US)
Since towing thread is active in "General", bringing this one back up for review.
posted 04-25-2001 09:31 PM ET (US)
Sweetpea tows my 16 Dauntless in OD in the flat lands and in 3rd all other times. She is a 95 Chevy Tahoe 4 door with 4WD, tow package and Bilstine heavy duty gas shocks. She has 103,000 miles and is as faithful as my Boarder Collie. They both love to be taken on the beach too.
posted 04-26-2001 03:05 AM ET (US)
I've been towing the Montauk all over the place with the Jeep and it works fine. Plenty of power, and really easy to manuever in tight driveways and parking lots. It turns out the real limit is how much gear will fit in the back of it.
posted 04-27-2001 07:47 AM ET (US)
I must be an odd ball. I have arefurbished 30 year old Nauset that I tow with my 2000 ford Torus Wagon. Don't do long tows, usually under 15 miles and do it in "D" rather than "OD". Handles the ramps OK but knows it is towing something.
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