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taypow1 posted 11-30-2007 06:38 PM ET (US)   Profile for taypow1   Send Email to taypow1  
My wife wants to up-grade the fishfinder on our 1992 Outrage 19 II with a GPS, chart plotter, and fishfinder combination unit. I've searched and the general consensus seems to point to the Garmin 182c. We will be using the boat in the Sea of Cortez and off the California coast. This is going to be my Christmas present. Does anyone have any ideas on the best unit?--Jock
gvisko posted 11-30-2007 09:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for gvisko  Send Email to gvisko     
I would get the Garmin 498 with the built in charts there are some real good deals on this unit. George V
Bella con23 posted 11-30-2007 09:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bella con23  Send Email to Bella con23     
I would agree especially because the 182/182c is discontinued.
BellBoyBob posted 11-30-2007 11:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for BellBoyBob  Send Email to BellBoyBob     
I would agree that the Garmin 498 for the money is very hard to beat. It is preloaded with the US costal g2 charts and it sports a very large screen. Where you would be cruising would require no additional chart purchase. It uses the old Garmin button layout and slightly older technology than the Garmin 400 and 500 series units but it is much less expensive. I would look hard at this. The 498 is also discontinued as is the 182C but can be found significantly discounted online. I would suggest using the GOOGLE PRODUCTS search engine as a place to start.
Best of luck,
taypow1 posted 12-01-2007 11:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for taypow1  Send Email to taypow1     
Thanks to all I've told Patsy my preference so it is up to her now.
jimh posted 12-01-2007 12:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The price range of combination devices which provide a GPS, a chart plotter, and a SONAR is very large, and it is best to include some limit. I realize that the notion of use on a 19-foot boat is a limitation, however, because of the relatively small size of these devices, you can often put the same electronics on a small boat as a much bigger one.
Henry posted 12-02-2007 01:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for Henry  Send Email to Henry     
I recently bought the Garmin 498 for my Montauk 17. I have used it several times and am really happy with it. The Bluechart G2 charts that come preinstalled are excellent with great detail and depth contours. The color and visibility of the screen are very good. It is easy to use. You can move the pointer to any place on the chart and save it as a waypoint. Unlike the transducer from the Humminbird 363 I was using previously, the Garmin 498 transducer never loses the bottom reading even at cruising speeds.

The only negatives are that I would like a more detailed user's manual and the inline fuse that comes with it is cheap. I bought a better inline fuse and discarded the one it came with.

An example of the lack of detail in the user's manual is that it does not provide any information on the recommended method for cleaning the screen.

How are you other people with Garmin 498s cleaning the screen?

Riverwhaler posted 12-03-2007 09:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for Riverwhaler  Send Email to Riverwhaler     
After ruining several gps screens I have finally got the idea. Don't use any substance that has ammonia in it. The best thing to use is a little soapy water or some eye glass cleaner. The antireflective coating is very fragile. The best cleaner for everthing glass including my very expensive video lenses I get from Lens Crafters. It states safe for antireflective coatings on the bottle.
blackdog54 posted 12-03-2007 11:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog54  Send Email to blackdog54     
Hey Jock-

I have the Garmin 498 as well and am quite happy.

Henry is correct, the inline fuse assembly is cheap, Garmin's tech supvr. told me that they knew it was problematic, the unit would power off randomly. I replaced it with a nicer, rubber one for $9.95. The 498 is ideal for your use and boat. Everything (except inland waterways) is pre-loaded, the unit displays nicely in direct sunlight and has good resolution.

The owner's manual for the associated transducer have conflicting mounting directions from the GPS unit manual. There are 3 transducer choices-

I chose the larger transducer, but did not get the paddle wheel model to measure water speed. The transducer was much larger than the one it was replacing but will not be an issue on your boat.

Give my best to Patsy.


Henry posted 12-03-2007 01:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Henry  Send Email to Henry     

what are you using to do the wiping? terry cloth? cotton cloth? bounty paper towels? some special material?

I am concerned that the material I use may scratch the surface.

Jefecinco posted 12-03-2007 06:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     

I use a micofiber cloth provided with my unit. For a cleaner I have so far only needed to use bottled drinking water. At one can get a protective material that is widely used and respected. It clings to the screen via static attraction.


WhalerAce posted 12-03-2007 07:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for WhalerAce  Send Email to WhalerAce     

My wife wants to up-grade the fishfinder on our 1992 Outrage 19 II with a GPS, chart plotter, and fishfinder combination unit.


Nobody really commented on that statement, but let me say: You are a lucky man! Wow!

Although my wife does LET me buy stuff for our Whalers as well, it is good to realize how lucky we are to have wives such as this!

--- WhalerAce

Bulldog posted 12-03-2007 07:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bulldog  Send Email to Bulldog     
Sounds like Jock is a lucky guy, but also reading between the lines, his wife might be wanting the GPS because of him always getting lost and not stopping to ask directions! Either way you win Jock!......Jack
blackdog54 posted 12-04-2007 12:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog54  Send Email to blackdog54     
I know both Jock (taypow1) and his wife, Patsy. I can assure you:

Jock does not need this because his wife fears him losing his way. Patsy enjoys the Whaler as well.

Chuck Tribolet posted 12-04-2007 01:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
Even better: A friend of mine recently told her husband that
she wanted side-scan SONAR for HER boat for her birthday.


WT posted 12-04-2007 01:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for WT  Send Email to WT     
I have a 7 inch screen gps/ff unit on my 170 Montauk and I find that the screen is too small. Just like a plasma television, you can't have a screen that is too big. My next unit is going to be at least 8 inches and probably 10-12 inches.

Good luck with your choice. And where where these women when I was dating?


drd posted 12-04-2007 09:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for drd  Send Email to drd     
If you can get away with it I would suggest 2 seperate units. On my outrage 20 I have a garmin 172c gps, and lowrance 102c FF. I never need to toggle between screens and I can see what I need in a quick glance. The larger screens also allow me to see the screen from several feet away. I fish on a friends boat who just has a 178c combo unit, which on split screen is very cluttered. same is true with my dads boat which has a 498c. In my opinion if you can afford a larger 10-12" screen go for the combo, If you cant' 2 seperate units is the way to go.
Chuck Tribolet posted 12-04-2007 09:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
In general, I agree with DRD about preferring two separate
units for more screen space (and I have two), but an advantage
of a combo unit is that you point to some structure on the
fishfinder window, and mark a GPS waypoint.


Jefecinco posted 12-05-2007 09:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jefecinco  Send Email to Jefecinco     

We use a larger combination unit, about a 10 inch display.

There are some obvious advantages to a dual function unit, cost being an important one What I most enjoy, however, besides the large easy to view display, is the ability to see information on the fish finder screen that helps me navigate. When setting up the unit you can choose to view things like your heading via a superimposed compass, your speed over the ground and/or water speed in digital or analog format, amd other information. OTOH, while in map mode you can have depth displayed on the map.

I like to use the map display while on plane between known fishing areas. While going more slowly or approaching a fishing area I switch to the fish finder mode. If the waters are not familiar to me I can use the split screen mode for the ultimate in safety and fish finding. Because of the 10 inch screen the split screen displays are large enough to be easy to use.

The aforementioned superimposed data can be placed anywhere on the display in any of several color choices and sizes in digital or analog format or can be in a see-through format for things like the compass display which I like to display in a larger format.

Our unit is also capable of displaying fuel consumption and level data superimposed. Engine operating parameters will also display in the case of engines designed to provide the information if proper connections are available. E-Tec engines in recent model years have the capability.

Should you decide to mount a large display unit measure carefull before buying. In my case it was a very tight fit and necesitated removal of the compass. I now carry a hand bearing compass in case of GPS failure.


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