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Buckda posted 01-13-2006 05:31 PM ET (US)   Profile for Buckda   Send Email to Buckda  
British Columbia 2007

I’d like to propose a Whaler adventure trip to British Columbia in August of 2007.

Here is the proposal:
The trip would be a weeklong exploration/camping/B&B or marina-based (I’ll be flexible) expedition and would begin on a Wednesday and end the following Wednesday. This would allow the preceding Saturday, Sunday and Monday to get out there, allowing a day for car trouble, and then provide Thursday, Friday and Saturday for the return drive home; allowing for a day of car trouble, or perhaps a weather day on the water. This also would allow more local attendees to take an extended weekend (same 5 days of vacation, but spread across two weeks).

Rumor has it that this can be some of the best boating and scenery in North America and it’s past time that I see it.

I think it would be neat to have a lot of members attend; which explains my very early (a year and a half in advance) proposal for this trip. Think about it; talk about it with your boating buddies and your wives and husbands and significant others.

If you’ve always wanted to go, but needed a lot of lead-time, or just that special nudge to help you start planning, consider this the impetus of what could become the trip of your lifetime.

So for now, I’ll leave it at this:
In the coming months, I’m going to be making small steps toward the planning and preparation for this trip. I’d love to have the company of other Boston Whaler boats and hope you find this as intriguing as I do.


DeeVee posted 01-13-2006 11:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for DeeVee  Send Email to DeeVee     


BC is a great big area, with thousands of great places to visit and see. I have not spent nearly enough time visiting, but I have had the good fortune to visit a couple of places.

19 years ago (the year my daughter was born), my brother in law, my uncle and myself took a trip to Rivers Inlet, BC on a salmon fishing adventure in my B-I-L's 17' Montauk. It has to be one of the all time greatest things we have ever done.

We trailered the boat to Port Hardy at the north end of Vancouver Island. It was a 60 mile trip to the mouth of Rivers Inlet, and another 10 miles to our campsite. We caught monster Chinook salmon and enjoyed a great week while doing it.

The next time, my B-I-L, Matt and I trailered his Montauk to the north side of Barkley Sound, and stayed at Uclulet. It was another great salmon fishing trip.

My last trip was to the south side of Barlkey Sound, Bamfield, BC. A couple friends and I chartered a guide for 3 days of fishing and evenings at their small lodge. We fished out of 25' and 22' Outrages. That was another great trip.

You are definately on the right track, go for it! Unfortunately, I think my '07 is close to booked already. A family reunion and a trip to Italy is on the docket, so I may by unable to attend. Please keep us informed though, I would love to be able to participate in something like this.

Doug Vazquez
1989 22' Outrage

Gep posted 01-14-2006 09:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Sounds like fun Dave.
Can you give any kind of location as to where your thinking.
TomG posted 01-14-2006 10:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for TomG  Send Email to TomG     
Dave, put me down as a potential participant.

I made this trip as a kid on the SS Princess Louise (a small cruise ship that travelled the Inside Passage). Here's a pic of her: - about half way down the page.

The scenery is fantastic and the wildlife is amazing. I can't imagine what it would be like seen from a Whaler at "water level".


cdnwhaler posted 01-14-2006 02:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for cdnwhaler  Send Email to cdnwhaler     
A fantastic idea in the making. I hope I'm able to join in.

For those of us coming a long way I think we may regret only being on the water for a week. I've been up that coast a bit as well and it is truly incredible. A once in a lifetime trip for me I know. If you can spend a week on Isle Royale and not be bored, not see it all and want to go back then this will be worse. If that's a way to put it.

There are a few CW members who live in that area, Nanaimo or Campbell River I think, that may be able to help with the planning of the preferred areas to visit or where to launch etc.

kglinz posted 01-15-2006 10:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for kglinz  Send Email to kglinz     
I've been trying to get something going starting in Pender Harbour, but haven't found any interest. The people who wanted could trailer to Pender or boat up if they wanted. From there you can run up to Princess Louisa inlet or Desolation Sound. There's good camping and cabins at Pender Harbour. Why wait to 07.

Kemp Lindsey

aquaman posted 01-16-2006 12:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for aquaman  Send Email to aquaman     

Great idea, count me in... I've spent have sometime cruising that area, it is spectacular to say the least. Might I suggest circumavigating Vancouver Island. I think it would be a great 7 day trip and you would encounter many different water and weather conditions. The island is 300 miles long and 60 miles wide. A trip like this would include some areas that are protected from wind, but very few are protected from tides. The tides can run extreamly hard on the back side of Vancouver Island. It would include open ocean crusing with little protection from wind and during August you would most likely encounter some fog. For that, it would be nice to have a boat or two equipped with radar. A logical starting location could be Anacortes, Wa. which is the gateway to the San Juan Islands. From Anacortes you could head into the Canadian San Juans for a day and then north to Princess Louisa Inlet and then on to Desolation Sound. From Desolation Sound you would continue north through Seymour Narrows to Alert Bay and Port Hardy. From Port Hardy a decision could be made depending on weather to head to the outside open ocean of the Pacific for a 3 day and 2 night cruise along the outside of Vancouver Island. There are many protected anchorages along the way including Nootka, Clayoquot and Barkley Sound with most having gas available. From Barkley Sound you would make a South Westerley run down the Straits of Juan De Fuca back to Anacortes. The prevailing winds in the Pacific during the summer are from the NW in the afternoon so that would boad well for a counter clockwise path. With any luck the winds taht are encountered would be at your stern. The winds on the Straits blow NW 10-15mph most summer afternoons.

I have been to most of these areas at some point in my life but never cruised the whole thing at once. It would be a great adventure. It might be more then some would want to tackle and if that is what the group decided than inside trip could be done which would probably be more fun. An all inside trip would give you much more time exploring and less time crusing. I suspect a cruise around the island would require 4 hrs of crusing per day. An inside cruise as far as Desolation Sound or Knight inlet would be much less, 2-3 hrs per day. The scenery in Princess Louisa, Knight Inlets and Desolation is fantastic... As I am typing this I think I have talked myself out of the outside trip but that would depend on what the group wants to do. There are a few B&B's in this area so most nights would be spent on the boats or shore camping. If you didn't want to go as far north as Knight or Desolation accomadations are more plentiful.

I have just been thinking as I type so I'm sure there is plenty I have missed. I concur, the crusing in this area is incredible, the area is vast so you would want to be sure we aren't trying to do too much in a short period of time.




Buckda posted 01-16-2006 09:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Kemp -

The reason I've slated it to 2007 is because I've already booked my vacation for 2006; also, it will take a bit of planning and a little saving on my part to make it happen from nearly 2,800 miles away. (I'm in the Midwest.)

This would be a huge trip for me, and the most ambitious trailer-trip I've undertaken. I'm hoping that some folks from the Midwest are also interested and we can travel together.

John - thanks for the suggestions on destinations and routes. I'm thinking an "inside" run with maybe a few side jaunts out to take a look at the ocean - or short outside runs around smaller islands - to keep us moving/exploring, and to maximize enjoyment and fuel efficiency (smoother water=greater range).

As for actual destinations; well, I'm not that far yet. So all suggestions are welcome. I'm planning to buy a chart of the area soon so I can begin thinking about where to go and what to do.

Thanks for the interest so far!


cdnwhaler posted 01-16-2006 10:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for cdnwhaler  Send Email to cdnwhaler     
The Pender Harbour that kglinz refers to is in the Sunshine Coast area and it is beautiful. I play golf with clients there every year. I too like the idea of continuing north from there to Desolation Sound and further.

But then, the entire Gulf Island area on the inside of Vancouver Island (east side) is so vast and spectacular, as aquaman has alluded to, that I don't think you will be lacking for suggestions by the time this thread is done. And with all of them you probaly won't be disappointed.

Here's a little taste of what to expect.

cdnwhaler posted 01-16-2006 10:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for cdnwhaler  Send Email to cdnwhaler     
Sorry, I should have posted the homepage for one of those.

Buckda posted 01-17-2006 12:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Looks like Horseshoe Bay in BC could be a good jumping off point. Entry into Canada via auto and then the end of the divided highway in Horseshoe Bay.

From there, we could run up the inside of Vancouver Island, visiting various points on the Island and on the Mainland.

It's a 300 mile straight shot north, but with side trips, I'd think you'd put about 400-500 miles one a 1,000 mile trip total - perhaps less if we take our time and just explore.


kglinz posted 01-17-2006 12:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for kglinz  Send Email to kglinz     
I'm sure there are people on the forum familiar with Horseshoe Bay who can give info. I would think you would put in at Bellingham or La Conner or Anacortes in the US and then run up though the San Juans and the Gulf Islands. There is good trailer storage in any of the three places. U.S. trailers could be a problem in Canada as surge brakes don't meet Canadian rules. You might get a Waggoners Cruising Guide and use that for planing. It's a great book with lots of info....
kglinz posted 01-17-2006 01:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for kglinz  Send Email to kglinz     
I may be wrong on the B.C. brake rule. It only applies to trailers above 6160 LBS (2800kg)total weight.
cdnwhaler posted 01-17-2006 01:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for cdnwhaler  Send Email to cdnwhaler     
I think you're looking at an older road map. The highway by Horseshoe is major and doesn't revert to smaller until later. It's the highway to Sqamish at the top of Howe Sound and then Whister site of the 2010 Winter Olympics. Due to the Olympics this "Sea to Sky Highway", as it's called, is being severely renovated.

Horseshoe Bay is quite populated and is really just a suburb of Vancouver now. IF, a big IF, you could find space for all the rigs I think it would be quite expensive.

BUT, Horsehoe Bay is the BC ferry port to Langdale which is the beginning of the Sunshine Coast mentioned earlier. So you're right on about the spot, I just think you'd want to get to the other side first. Even a little beyond Gibsons Landing and Sechelt maybe, then look for launch locations with room for the rigs, of which I think there are many. This brings you closer to Pender Harbour that kglinz mentioned.

Speaking of kglinz. My surge brakes on one axle for my Outrage 22 are legal here in Ontario but I do recall there are different requirements in different Provinces. Particularly BC and Alberta, our mountain Provinces. It's something worth noting.

It's freezing rain, sleeting, snowing here today and the thought of providing further hands on research this spring/summer on my business trips to that area is brightening my day. Just ask. :)

cdnwhaler posted 01-17-2006 01:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for cdnwhaler  Send Email to cdnwhaler     
Oops. You snuck in there kglinz. BC changes rules every other week it seems to me so it's still something worth noting for everyone.
Buckda posted 01-17-2006 02:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Since I don't have nautical charts for the region at this point, I've been using Microsoft's Streets & Trips 2001 software. This has been a very good program for my uses - and the "base map" is quite good - even for shoreline details. However, sometimes it requires quite a bit of zoom to show the smaller, or more detailed roadways. For Interstate travel planning, however, it is quite good. Being that it's 5 year-old software, I have no doubt that some of the road information is out of date.

I did think about taking a ferry over to Vancouver Island, but that seems to be counter-productive in that you'd have a ferry cost after a long - cross-continent journey; and if you're going to be on the water after 2,500 miles, you want to be on your Whaler - especially after towing it that distance.

I'm open to the suggestion to tow a bit further north on the mainland.

Re: Towing into Canada, rather than crossing from the US.

My experience here in the Midwest has been that it is much easier and more convenient to tow across the border than to boat across the border. This has nothing to do with Canadian customs (which makes it very easy for boaters to do so), but has EVERYTHING to do with US Customs (which seems to go the extra mile way to make it not easy). I realize that for some Canadian citizens I've boated with recently, this seems to work the opposite way for them. But given the alternative (crossing back without announcement), and the risks associated with that hassle avoidance (losing your boat), I'd rather just tow the boat across the border, hand the guard my passport and move through quickly and without delay on both sides.

Keep those ideas coming. This is starting to take a bit more shape in my mind. I'll be buying charts and guidebooks in the coming months, as well as making the necessary changes to my rig to accomplish this mission!


Buckda posted 01-17-2006 06:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
I also just looked at a map and now understand what you mean by "beyond Horseshoe Bay" meant on the mainland!

Yeah - I'm fine with that, and will defer to other's suggestions.

One interesting thing about border crossings, that I wanted to throw out there before I forget. A trip like this; it's easiest to meet in Seattle or at the border and caravan through - Usually the first boat/rig goes through and explains the situation and the rest get waived through with just basic questions. I did this in 2004 at Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario with two other forum members. I was third in line.

The question: "Are you with them?"

My response: "Yeah."

He: "You American?"

Me: "Yeah"

He: "Have a great trip."

Me: "Thanks"

Fastest border crossing I've ever had. Two questions!


Plotman posted 01-17-2006 06:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for Plotman  Send Email to Plotman     
Just remember that there are new rules and that you will need a passport to cross the Canadian border as an American.
Buckda posted 01-17-2006 06:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Okay, but I submit that that will actually speed things up, barring computer crashes. Last summer, when I crossed over with my Dad to go fishing in Canada for a week, I handed my passport over, they ran the barcode through their reader and we zipped through with very few questions.

So, David, does this mean you might be interested in this trip? I could pick you up on the way through Minneapolis late Saturday night or Sunday morning.


JMARTIN posted 01-17-2006 07:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
I do not think you need a passport yet, maybe this summer, but the problem is not going into Canada, it is coming back. There is another way, and I picked up some imformation on it at the boat show. You can get some sort of form 637? and be pre-approved to call in your arival into Canada by boat and visa-versa. There is a cost. I will see if I can find the information tonight.

Wait a second, 2007? By then, who knows what the rules will be. Jeepers creepers, British Columbia might have suceeded from Canada by then. John

LHG posted 01-17-2006 07:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
...and the US may be have been annexed by Mexico!
kglinz posted 01-17-2006 07:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for kglinz  Send Email to kglinz     
All the current border info is on the Waggoneer website I posted above. For a one time each way crossing you don't want to bother with any of the pre-approvals. Just get your passport.
JMARTIN posted 01-17-2006 07:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
Or, certain counties of Western Washington and all of Eastern Washington will form a new nation with BC and maybe Alberta. Sorry King County, you guys would just screw things up. John
20dauntless posted 01-17-2006 08:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless  Send Email to 20dauntless     
This sounds like a great idea. I spend a lot of the summer in the San Juans but have never taken my Whaler much further north than the border. There are so many places all around this area to explore. You could easily spend a week just ecploring the San Juans. Starting in Anacortes sounds like a good idea. There are several large marinas that could easily handle a large crowd of Whalers. Bellingham would be fine as well, but I dont know much about ports in BC. I know that in the San Juans there are a lot of marine parks with docks and mooring buoys that would save hotel costs. People could use Marina showers and facilities every few days as needed. Generally the weather stays calm in the summer, but it is almost always foggy in the morning during August. Just as an example, of the 20 days or so I was in the San Juans last summer there was only 1 day that I couldn't use my Whaler in the morning (40 knot winds against the current, apparently 8 foot seas), but it died down enough in the afternoon for plenty of boating. Everyone participating should have an enclosure for the helm, so they will be comfortable in the rain. Most hotels fill up early, so it's good everyone is preparing early. If people plan to anchor or use mooring buoys a small dinghy is a good idea because the beaches can be very rocky in places, however every boat doesnt need one. There really is a ton of stuff to see. How many miles does everyone want to go in a day? How far North do you want to go? There are a ton of options so its good this is getting planned early. I second the suggestion about waggoner's guide. It has a lot of fantastic info. They have Q&A on their website as well. Thats all I can think of now. Again this sounds like a great idea and I am interested in helping and participating. Sorry for the longwinded and disorganized response, but there is so much to say.


cdnwhaler posted 01-17-2006 09:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for cdnwhaler  Send Email to cdnwhaler     
You don't HAVE to have passport to enter either country from the other. What I find odd is that it's much easier for all of us to go home to our respective countries with a passport.

Anyway, by 2007 the trailer rules will have changed, maybe three times, and the passport rules and more.

That's good JMARTIN. In Alberta we always assumed BC would fall into the ocean due to an earthquake someday and we'd end up with ocean front property and still have all the oil & gas. :)

kglinz posted 01-17-2006 11:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for kglinz  Send Email to kglinz     
I guess you don't need a passport until 1 Jan 08.
JMARTIN posted 01-18-2006 11:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
OK, the new program for 2006 is the I-68 program. In a nutshell, you apply in person at any CBP office that is also a Port of Entry. For 16 bucks a person, 32 per family, you can register to get a permit for 12 months. With this permit, you can call in when you re-enter US waters. When you call in, they might want you to report anyhow to the closest Port of Entry and do an inspection, or the call might be all you have to do.

The local Anacortes WA office said you could call them a week before you came an set up an appointment. They would have the paperwork ready, which means I guess, the background check.

Canada has a Can pass I guess, maybe you can call them also, but I do not know.

If I am still around this area in 2007, I could arrange a good spot for you to launch and park and it would not cost much, just a donation to a County ramp. The parking would be on private land, right next door to the ramp.

It is about 2 hours out the San Juans and you can be in Pender, which is a Canadian port of entry. I really think that would be your best route. You can drive up there a ways into BC, but then you have to take ferries, and you are long, a reservation for ferry space is recomended, and then you are on a time schedule. John

boatdryver posted 01-19-2006 11:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for boatdryver  Send Email to boatdryver     
We cruised a lot up there in B. C. from 1996 to 2001 in a larger boat with accommodations. It is heaven on earth, and there is nothing else on the continent to campare to it.

Regarding passports, certainly in the past all that was needed was a US driver's license. But I read something on the web yesterday that the US is going to require a passport to re-enter the US starting about now.

Hwy 101 ends at Lund, so it would be possible to tow to there, which is minutes from Desolation sound. this would bypass the Strait of Georgia which can get rough because of the 30 mile fetch.

this would also put the group at the doorstep of a literally endless maze of super protected waterways with steep sided, fjord-like waterways, waterfalls, protected anchorages, oysters, you can pluck off the rocks. this is the start of 300 miles of wilderness, with no coastal highways on the mainland, so the settlements and facilities get sparse on the mainland. No Dungeness crabs up here. You can buy live prawns from the commercial guys or catch your own if you want to haul a pot up from 400 ft.

10 or 15 miles Over on vancouver island, though , all services are available always. and its easy to get back and forth

The king salmon and Halibut activity is farther north, around Port McNiell and east of there in the Broughton Archipelago. At whaler speed you could get there in a day. and there are more B and B type resorts.

this group will have an unforgettable adventure


andygere posted 01-19-2006 11:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
This is a trip I've been dreaming about for some time now. Kids will still be pretty young for a trip like that in '07, but perhaps if Grandma and Grandpa want to come out and stay with them...

The wheels are spinning, and I've got just a year to get those Kodiak brakes installed on the trailer.

JMARTIN posted 01-19-2006 03:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
Jeepers creepers, I just went on the BC Ferries website to see how much it would cost to trailer to Lund. There are two ferries you need to take. Conservativly, it would cost about 250 bucks US. Now I am over 7 feet high when sitting on the trailer. Under 7 feet is better.

Hey, why are these figures in feet? What happened to meters?

OK, if fuel is 3.00 a gallon, that is only 83 gallons, but I can go at least 160 miles on that.

I guess we really got the cart in front of the horse. What will the price of fuel be in 2007, and what will the Canadian exchange rate be? Inquiring minds want to know. John

kglinz posted 01-19-2006 03:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for kglinz  Send Email to kglinz     
The only reason to trailer to Lund or Pender Harbour is the weather. I've seen many days when even big boats "holed up" in Pender Harbour or Westview and would not cross the Strait of Georgia. If you have a time constraint you could be delayed. You need to think where you're going to stay. Many Canadian Marine Parks have no camping. Some you can't even go ashore.
20dauntless posted 01-19-2006 05:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless  Send Email to 20dauntless     
Everyone needs to remember that even if the weather is bad, there is a ton of stuff to explore on the US side of the border in the San Jauns and further South. The terrain isn't as rugged or remote, but it is still impressive and beautiful. Plus, we can move quickly, and should the weather be bad it probably won't be bad the whole time. If the Straight of Georgia were uncrossable one day the group can simply cruise around the protected areas around Pender, and when the weather does open up it won't take long to cross. These are just more thoughts...


boatdryver posted 01-19-2006 06:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for boatdryver  Send Email to boatdryver     
Skippers not used to dealing with incredibly strong currents will need also to brush up on current tables and treat the many narrows with great respect, traversing them only at or near slack. You all may know that they run at up to 18 knots and because of the irregular bottom generate large standing waves and also whirlpools large and deep enough to swallow a whaler whole. I'm not making this up.

They designate them on charts and in current tables as "rapids" without reason.
There is a place near Egmont, not far from Pender Harbor where you can walk to the Skookumchuck or Sechelt Rapids, which we did and watched an 11 kt flood generate 6 ft standing waves which kayaks were surfing in close to shore as long as they wished without moving with respect to the shore. It was an awesome sight, certainly adequate to motivate one to get real familiar with his current tables.

boatdryver posted 01-19-2006 06:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for boatdryver  Send Email to boatdryver     
Correction: they DON'T designate them in tables and charts as "Rapids" without reason.

:) JIm

Buckda posted 01-19-2006 06:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
About Skookumchuck narrows. Check out the short movie file on this site:

Thanks to Peter (Banf22) for that link.


20dauntless posted 01-19-2006 07:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless  Send Email to 20dauntless     
That's a great point, Jim. The currents can run very, very strong in sections. I have been to the Gulf Islands once on a friends sail boat and we stopped at Skookumchuck Rapids. It is quite a sight to see all of the kayakers paddling on that giant standing wave. It is my understanding that there are many other rapids similar or more powerful in the Gulf Islands. Some boaters say that a Whaler should be able to run most of the rapids at any time, I don't think I would try it!


boatdryver posted 01-19-2006 07:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for boatdryver  Send Email to boatdryver     
Can a Whaler run these rapids at any time? There's a lot more to it than boat speed. I see fishing guides with clients in single engine Montauks holding position 20 ft away from a whirlpool 40 ft in diameter and 4 feet deep at the center. These guys with lots of local knowledge can do things mere mortals shouldn't attempt.
20dauntless posted 01-19-2006 11:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for 20dauntless  Send Email to 20dauntless     
I want to make it clear that I have not and never plan to go through Skookumchuck or any other major rapid at anything but very close to slack tide. I was just saying that I have heard people talk about how it is "doable".


Bridgedeck posted 01-20-2006 01:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bridgedeck  Send Email to Bridgedeck     
You could go around it without much difficuly in a Whaler for sure. Maybe not "you" but, I would. I've done it in a 46' Chris Craft sporfisher. No problem. You just better hope you dont have engine problems. I know of at least one little boat that got sucked down. The guy got spit out and lived. I heard he lived on the other side. And went through it all the time before that happened.
As far as the other rapids are concerned, you wouldnt have any problems whatsoever in a Whaler. Even if you some how timed it wrong. But a ten second look at the tide book the day before would make that not happen anyway.
You will all have a blast. It's what I'm going to do every moment I get all summer long.... Ahhh, summer....
kglinz posted 01-20-2006 10:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for kglinz  Send Email to kglinz     
Don't let all this talk of current make anyone nervous about cruising in BC. There are many places that a little "seamanship" is required. That's why you buy a cruising guide. All the rapids have slack or near slack times. Timing the current is just part of the cruise planning. I've been past the top of Skookumchuck many times and never gone through. It's not on a main channel. Its great cruising in BC. You will see beautiful sights. You will learn a few things, as I do every trip north. Hopefully some of the PNW guys will join in as well.

Kemp Lindsey

boatdryver posted 01-20-2006 12:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for boatdryver  Send Email to boatdryver     
During our B. C. cruising days we had a 10 kt vessel so our comings and goings in areas of rapids were greatly controlled by slack water times.
When I would look down on the whalers zooming by at 30 kt I always thought wow! that looks like fun (unless it was raining!).

Its certainly true that many of the narrows don't have significant whirlpools and overfalls and can be traversed at times other than slack, and that the max flood and ebb velocities which generate these hazards vary greatly with tidal fluctuations. Doing the planning and boating through this dramatic topography will only add to the trip. The cruising guides are full of good advice on this and the locals all like to help.
For us the grandeur of the fjord country starts East of Pender Harbor up to Princess Louisa (boater's Mecca, a must do day trip in a fast boat), and East and North of Desolation Sound, up through the rightfully dreaded Yuculta and Dent rapids
Sechelt is off the beaten path and unlikely to be on this group's route. that's a great video clip, Buckda. everyone should see it. With the audio, it makes your hair stand on end
For an affordable cruising guide with only black and white photos (2001) and lots of phone numbers of marinas, restaurants and places of lodging, try the Waggoner Cruising guide, which is updated annually. Kglinz likes this one too.
For lots of color ariel photosof rapids and general scenery and also cruising advice try Bill Wolferstan's "Cruising guide to British Columbia: vol 2; Desolation Sound
these books were in print as of 2002.
I agree with Kemp. this sounds like a dream trip.


David Pendleton posted 01-21-2006 12:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Pendleton  Send Email to David Pendleton     
Shouldn't you be planning the Isle Royale 2006 trip right now?
Buckda posted 01-22-2006 09:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Greg Hiller is busy planning the 2006 trip.

pglein posted 01-27-2006 11:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
I didn't read the entire thing, as I just don't have time right now. But I would suggest the Gulf Islans/Sunshine Coast. Anything north of that and the mosquitos can be murderous in the summer. Not so much of a problem if you're in a cabin cruiser, but a major inconvenience when you're camping.
PeteB88 posted 01-29-2006 01:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
I'm gonna be watching this thread - I would love to do something like this and perhaps by then I will have found the right Montauk.

Barkley Sound has a place that makes some of the finest oars on the planet - I would love to go there.

what a cool idea.

We should do this right - heh Tom?

skiff posted 01-29-2006 11:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for skiff  Send Email to skiff     
I've been in private contact with Dave on this subject, and can only speak in the highest, reverential tones regarding my two May trips up there. I went for three weeks each time, and it so far surpassed my greatest expectations that I may be unrevocably hooked. Of the folks in my group, the feeling was unanimous: British Columbia truly is 'super natural'.

We went both times to the West Coast of VI (different sounds each trip...), and had nothing but the finest boating I can imagine having. I found the Canadians super friendly, the whole trip highly inexpensive, the scenery and boat-able waters off the dial, and we never experienced any of the mosquitos that I hear about from others from time to time. It was an adventure from start to finish, and Canada lives day in and day out with a 'boating culture' that is just a pleasure to immerse oneself in for a time. It will really make you re-think how you view your 'vacations' in the future!

I really cannot imagine a more satisfying boating and exploring trip than this; and if it's at all possible for any of you to join up, I say you'll regard it 30 years later as perhaps your best decision ever. I plan on being up in that area again in '07, and will plan to meet up wherever the group is located at. For me, the West Coast is really the gem destination of the entire island, but I can easily arrange to meet anywhere-you're never that far away.
See you there!

skiff posted 01-30-2006 12:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for skiff  Send Email to skiff     
Uh, er, let's make that 'irrevocably' hooked...!
Buckda posted 05-31-2006 10:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
kglinz posted 06-01-2006 09:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for kglinz  Send Email to kglinz     
Twelve days until launch in Bellingham...... What do you mean I'm a year early?
PeteB88 posted 06-09-2006 02:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Cousin Mansel lives in Bellingham, I am not sure about the 13 and could have me Montauk by then so keep me on the list. OR i might just showoff my new canvas to you alls


PeteB88 posted 06-09-2006 02:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for PeteB88  Send Email to PeteB88     
Cousin Mansel lives in Bellingham, I am not sure about the 13 and could have me Montauk by then so keep me on the list. OR i might just showoff my new canvas to you alls


kglinz posted 10-18-2006 05:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for kglinz  Send Email to kglinz     
It's getting closer... 2007 Waggoners Cruising Guide is available on-line....
Buckda posted 10-18-2006 06:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
We just got our 2007 vacation schedule for work the other day, but I'm still working on my own personal project outlook for next year. 2007 planning is in full swing, but I won't be able to narrow down dates until I have a good idea of what projects are resourced and approved and then take a look at the likely timelines for those projects.

...but I'm still working on this, and anxious to make something happen.


Buckda posted 10-18-2006 06:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Plus, I've just purchased a major component to outfit the Outrage for this type of trip: a 27 Gallon Tempo Fuel tank that will fit under the leaning post. This gives me an effective 85 gallons of usable fuel, for a range of about 250 miles (conservatively). It is the first installment towards outfitting the boat for the trip. Next is Garmin BlueCharts for the area, then the cruising guides and a transmission cooler for my tow vehicle and trailer brakes....

...and I have to talk someone into going with me!


Alex K posted 10-24-2006 05:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for Alex K  Send Email to Alex K     
How I wish I could join you in my 15'Alert, but I'm afraid it's a bit too far to travel from Altrip, Germany!
When I was 19 years old we were visiting friends of my father in Vancouver and I took the opportunity to spend a few days in Campbell River. I spend most of the time there on a small tillersteered boat on the water salmonfishing. Absolutely gorgeous scenery.
kglinz posted 10-24-2006 11:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for kglinz  Send Email to kglinz     
They run a lot of Montauks out of Campbell River as rentals for Salmon fishing. They run up and down Seymour Narrows and around Cape Mudge and don't even worry about current. You could fly over and rent one.


revengewanted posted 01-25-2007 09:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for revengewanted  Send Email to revengewanted     
Dead or Alive ?
Buckda posted 01-26-2007 10:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
Dead for me. My schedule is not going to provide a two-consecutive-week window for me to get away this summer. Too many projects, too few people.

Damn the media. The economy is fine, quit scaring people so we can hire more employees!

JMARTIN posted 01-26-2007 12:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN     
Poop, I was looking forward to helping, at least on the American side. My expriance in Canadian waters is woefully lacking. John
Buckda posted 01-26-2007 12:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Buckda  Send Email to Buckda     
John -

I do plan to make it out is just a very long tow for me from the midwest, which means I have to take at least two weeks off work to make it worthwhile. We have open headcount, so hopefully next year things will look better once we get positions filled, but for now, filling two and a half people's shoes is a bit of a challenge for a 2-week hiatus from the office, blackberry or no.

Believe me - I'm pretty disappointed too!


revengewanted posted 01-26-2007 07:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for revengewanted  Send Email to revengewanted     
Too bad. I was looking forward to seeing a herd of whalers around these parts. They are indeed a rare sight this far north. Perhaps there is still some interest out there. I would offer to assist with organizing if needed. I put a few photos together - and apologize for the quality. It's very hard to get Kodak 126 film anymore. They are a few shots from previous years in the Barclay Sound area - west side of Vancouver Island.


revengewanted posted 01-26-2007 07:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for revengewanted  Send Email to revengewanted     
I obviously need more training.


JMARTIN posted 01-26-2007 08:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for JMARTIN  Send Email to JMARTIN

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revengewanted posted 01-26-2007 09:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for revengewanted  Send Email to revengewanted     
Thank you John !
I knew it wouldn't take too long before somebody would help this old guy who knows nothing about computers. In any event, if there is still some interest in this trip I would be ready to assist, especially if it is anywhere in the area of Vancouver Island. Those interested or wanting to get more info on the boating opportunities around my area should feel free to email me at the address recorded in the profile.
jgkmmoore posted 01-28-2007 12:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for jgkmmoore  Send Email to jgkmmoore     
I love my Outrage, but I'm older now. 2 weeks of camping just doesn't cut it for me (unless someone else pays for my 4-5star hotel). I have over 51 years of in/out of EVERY gunkhole (numerous times)from Seattle to Alert bay/Port Hardy on the North end of Vancouver Island.For those of you from afar, going for the first time or unfamiliar with the area, I could tailor a trip for you in an afternoon.I live in Bellevue, Wa., and only half a mile from I-90/6 miles from I-5. Right on your way, no matter which direction you come from.Email me or call me, and I can meet you in the area and spend a couple hours helping you to discover for yourself the very best cruising in the world. That's a guarantee! I'm usually gone (to Lake Pend Oreille, Idaho)the last week of July and first 2 wks of August.Please do it. There is nothing I love better than to yakkabout boating in the NW. I have a few base suggestions:
1)All ferry rides to the islands (San Juan OR Gulf Islands/BC)are expensive and not necessary.See below.
2)Recommend the San Juans first, followed by the Gulf Islands.It's only about 20 minutes from Sucia Island in the San Juans, to Canadian Customs in Bedwell Harbor on South Pender Island. Bedwell is a beautiful little harbor, and a great jumping off place for the Gulf Islands.You can easily blow off 3 weeks in just those 2 sets of islands.During the best time of summer in the area(Jul 15-Aug 30)you have to get there early for mooring buoys, but Whalers don't need those.Strongly recommend you avoid Desolation Sound during this ain't desolate by any means, and the bays still don't flush as well as they could.TOOOOO many boats! Water gets stinky. Pender Harbor is nowhere near Pender Island/s either.IF you drive to Lund anyway, and MUST go there, alright. But don't miss Skookumchuk rapids (from shore only), and up Jervis Inlet to Princess Louisa Inlet (long haul/no gas stops beyond Egmont).As you enter Princess Louisa, your heart will jump right up into your throat!! Hands down, the most beautiful 5 miles on the planet!Right up to Chatterbox Falls at the very end. Do visit Malibu Resort, right at the entrance to the Inlet. Breathtaking.
Tsawassen/Vancouver/NorthVan/Horseshoe Bay/Lund/Egmont/Skookumchuk/Princess L/ are all on the mainland.BC Ferries go from Tsawassen and Horseshoe Bay.Use the Whaler.Probably won't need passport until 2009 now,to cross on the water/ground-but you do if you fly. Go figger.Use the I-68 deal...(details on the Net)for entry CA. me or email.I'll show you the way. Seattle to Port Hardy...all the news!I'm retired, almost always home.Plz ID yourself as a CW or Whaler person.
Best Regards-Jeff Moore

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