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continuousdave posted 04-17-2008 09:07 PM ET (US)   Profile for continuousdave   Send Email to continuousdave  
Looking to see if there are any CW members in Souther CA area. I'm a transplant from NJ and now live in LA. I am currently Whalerless but curious what the boating is like out here. I figured this would be a good place to find out. Any feedback is helpful. Thanks Dave
OIA posted 04-24-2008 06:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for OIA  Send Email to OIA     

Welcome to SoCal. Whalering is great out here. Catalina Island is 20 miles across open ocean but I've made the run at least 200 times in my 17-Montauk. Once you get there you feel like you could be in the south of France or the Italian Riviera, it's a wonderful place. I just crossed about a month ago with my five year old son who can't get enough of The Whaler.

I've found, especially in the summertime, you can go just about anywhere as long as you're in a harbor by noon. Oftentimes, this can be extended if the weather is permitting.

Where are you located in LA?

John Mirassou

continuousdave posted 04-26-2008 03:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for continuousdave  Send Email to continuousdave     
Hi John, I'm in Santa Monica. Still trying to figure out the boat thing, especially this time of the year when we spent weekends getting the boats ready out in New Jersey. I've been to Avalon (by ferry) but haven't explored the rest of Catalina. It looks beautiful. I called some marinas and the dock fees don't seem bad. I'd end up leaving it in the water as I don't have a garage, drive way, etc and It would let me use it more. Montauks are probably a great option out here as they are better on fuel than a heavier Outrage and the cost of gas is getting rediculous. where do you keep your boat?
ps If you're ever looking for someone to split cost going to Catalina, I'm game.
OIA posted 04-29-2008 06:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for OIA  Send Email to OIA     
Hey Dave:

Avalon is fantastic, but you need a Whaler to harbor cruise Avalon Bay. Went to Two Harbors on Sunday. Saw a Blue Whale, large pod of Common Dolphin and about a 10-foot Hammerhead on the way.

Right now I keep the boat on a trailer. I will be putting her in the water in Redondo Beach's King Harbor here shortly. They re-did my favorite marina in the harbor (Portofino) and they took out most of their small slips.

We definately have to get you out on the water. What brings you to So-Cal and where are you from in New Jersey? I don't know if you followed the Wave a year or two ago but I was the guy who, in 1987, took the Montauk around the eastern US. 6,100 miles in 112 days. We shot up the New Jersey Intracoastal and headed out of Manasquan Inlet to New York.

If all goes as planned, the book will be out in June.

Do you still have your Whaler? Are you looking to buy one?

John Mirassou

continuousdave posted 04-30-2008 01:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for continuousdave  Send Email to continuousdave     
John, wow. Blue whale, dolphins and a hammerhead. I do have to get on the water. The boating her seems to be different than the east coast. I guess it's the lack of bays, harbors, etc, but for that, you get whales, dolphins, and large sharks. Seems like a pretty good trade. I've also heard good things about Two Harbors. Seems a lot less crowded than Avalon.
I did not hear about your trip on the east coast but that sounds amazing. I look forward to the book. I'm actually from Bay Head originally which is the town on top of Barneget Bay just before you go through the canal out out Manaquan River to the inlet. I still have a little place in Monmouth Beach on Shrewsbury River. Nice place, but sold the boat when work took me here. I moved to San Fran and now down in LA.
sternorama posted 05-05-2008 04:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for sternorama  Send Email to sternorama     
I think there are a few of us around here. I'm in Huntington Beach, and Catalina is definately my favorite destination. The waterways around Long Beach are also very interesting and offer a nice variety for boating. Hopefully a few more locals will chime in, and we can pick a date for some kind of informal cruise.
sternorama posted 05-05-2008 04:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for sternorama  Send Email to sternorama     
OIA-so the 5 yr old made it to Catalina? That is great. I have been hesitant to bring my 5 yr old on that long of a trip. Did you spend the night? Did you camp or sleep on the boat? I am working on a deck extension so that we can sleep over on the string line at Two Harbors.
OIA posted 05-06-2008 07:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for OIA  Send Email to OIA     

We take an annual trip to Avalon every year, rent a house, harbor cruise everyday, hang and do nothing for 10 days. It's fantastic. Anyway, Jack, the five year old, became very comfortable buzzing around on the Whaler two years ago. Then last year, we took a trip to the west end. We ran into some seas on the way back that scared him a little but after that he's had no problem.

Both times we've been made the trip to the Island together have been for the day.

I friend's dad developed a front bed for my Montauk out of marine plywood. It works out great. Actually makes the boat a lot bigger and provides great storage underneath. I've had the bed for about 20 years. Love it. I can send you a photo or two if you're interested in seeing it.

John Mirassou

OIA posted 05-06-2008 07:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for OIA  Send Email to OIA     

In the book I complain New Jersey needs to fire their PR Firm, they're worthless. Growing up in SoCal, the only pictures we saw of NJ were of a smoke spewing factory in Newark on a dismal, cloudy day. Such being the case, when I planned the voyage I scheduled very few nights in the the Garden State. Joining the NJICW at Cape May the mistake became immediately evident. New Jersey is beautiful country. Motoring north, it was obvious we should stick around for a few days and explore. Unfortunately, we were due to pick up a friend from home in Atlantic City and were expected in New York a day later.

Weather permitting, I will probably be putting The Whaler in the water the weekend of the 17th and maybe keeping her in through Memorial Day. If you are available, why don't we try and pencil a few potential dates in during this time.

continuousdave posted 05-06-2008 08:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for continuousdave  Send Email to continuousdave     
John, thanks for the offer and sounds good to me. I'm am a weekend warrior but should be around both the weekend of the 17th and all of Memorial weekend. As I've said, I'd love to get out on the water. I was actually back in New Jersey last weekend for work and fun. Checked up on the house in Monmouth Beach and got nostalgic for the good ol' days of getting the boats ready for summer. I'll drop you an email at the address you provided below. Thanks again for the offer to join you on the water.
Sternorama, thanks for chimeing in too. Looks like Newport area has some good boating. I've done a little diving around Laguna and it sounds like there is some good fishing close by down in that area. I hope to rejoin the boat owning group again soon and a rendezvous at Catalina sounds like it would be a good time. Thanks again.
Sheila posted 05-07-2008 09:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sheila  Send Email to Sheila     
Welcome to SoCal :)

Lots of CWers live in the area...give us time and we'll show ourselves here. My husband Rich (RichL here on CW) live in Orange County (Trabuco Canyon) and keep our Revenge in Dana Point harbor.

Boating here is amazing, especially in the fall.

jmarlo posted 05-07-2008 12:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for jmarlo  Send Email to jmarlo     
I boat my 22 Revenge out of Newport Beach. I've tried in the past to organize a get together, but there was not that much interest, and it looks like that is changing!

My favorite destination is Two Harbors on Catalina. Just a couple months ago they started taking reservations on their string line, which is a major deal, since you know you have a place to stay for the night when you head over.

If we could pick a date and go, it would be fun to have several Boston Whalers on the line together for a night or two.

I have string line reservations for August 22 and 23, a Friday and Saturday night. If anyone wants to join me then that would be great.

To make string line reservations call the harbor department at Two Harbors.

OIA posted 05-09-2008 11:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for OIA  Send Email to OIA     

Great idea. Unfortunately, we're taking The Whaler to San Diego for that week. Let's keep trying to create the rendevous. Maybe, weather permitting, we could take a day and cruise around the Island.

Does Schock Boats have a rendevous?

jmarlo posted 05-09-2008 11:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for jmarlo  Send Email to jmarlo     
Shock boats does not have a Rendezvous, but they do host a very nice fishing tournament, usually the third week in July. I've gone several times, and was always one of the "old" boats. It's mostly for the newer Whalers and Grady Whites, the guys with lots of money!

One year I won a 25hp Four Stroke motor, so that was very nice. Of course I had to go buy a boat to put it on, and that's how I found my 13' Anniversary Edition. I kept that a few years and really miss it.

You can get on Shock's mailing list for their tournament by buying something for them, or maybe just asking. They are a very nice family run dealer.

I'm always up for a Saturday or Sunday run to Catalina, if the calendar permits. Lets set it up!

jeep9221 posted 05-12-2008 10:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for jeep9221    
I have been Whalering to Catalina for over 20 years - 16 years in an Outrage 18, and last 5 in a Outrage 21 ('93 hull). We camp up and down the island and have campground reservations for July 12 - 15 at Two Harbors (we prefer the west end). We often find other Whalers there as well.

We typically depart from Dana Point - 36 miles to Avalon and 39 miles to Long Point.

continuousdave posted 05-14-2008 11:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for continuousdave  Send Email to continuousdave     
Thank you all for replying. Seems like there is a handful of enthusiastic Whaler owners out here. I'm also getting more excited to get out to Catalina and see what that has to offer.
Jeep9221, how do you like the Outrage 21? I was on a friends out east that had a 250hp Johnson (I think) and that thing flies. I always like that model and I'm curious how it performs compared to the old 18 Outrage classic. I'm sure it's handles the open ocean much better. I don't seem to find a lot of people w. that model. Your experience would be helpful. Thanks
jeep9221 posted 05-15-2008 01:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeep9221    
The O-18 (w #3) was great because it was light, easy to trailer, beach, etc. It was a little rough on the trip across the channel, and pounded in the heavy wind chop. All around it was a great boat (superior to the 21 if you trailer a lot - I took it to Lake Tahoe every summer, the 21 is just too big, and are doing day trips near shore).

The O-21 (w #5) (1993 Reabok Hull) is a monster, in that it drives like a big boat (I believe that it weights 1,000 lbs more). I re-powered it w/ a Y-225 4 stroke which is very quiet, easy on gas, and plenty of power (46 mph). Overall the boat is smooth and dry, except when you get into the really rough wind chop heading into the wind, the stern drags if you slow down too much. Hit the really steep stuff (& with a stiff head wind, I wonder if it might come over the top). I am told that trim tabs would help. I find tacking up wind can do the trick as well, but mostly I avoid those days whenever possible. 99% of the time I am happily cruising in fair to modest seas or going down swell, so I trim it for a soft landing and fly.

The next whaler (w #6) will likely be a Conquest (so I can sleep inside at night).

I prefer to hit Catalina on a Sunday, when most boaters are packing up and heading home, and then hang out until Tuesday (no crowds at the ramp when I arrive home). Something special about being anchored up in a secluded cove just hanging out, diving, etc. My kids, who are now teens (16 & 18), love Catalina camping, and usually as we pack up they are already planning the next trip. Dad is rarely cool, except at Catalina.

Check out the "boat-in" camp-sites, or if you camp on-board as I often do, just find a remote cove tucked in out of the breeze and relax. Beware too that many beaches are private, so talk to a veteran, so you don't run afoul of the locals. Also, Schock Boats is a great Whaler dealer in Newport Beach if you need info, or just want to see what they have stashed in their various yards nearby.

BTW - w #1 - '64 - M 16, w #2 - '77 - M 17, & w #5 - D 21

Frank O posted 05-20-2008 07:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Frank O  Send Email to Frank O     
Jeep9221, any pictures of your '93 Outrage 21? I'm not all that clear on when and how the designs changed during the 1990s between Reebok and Meridian Sports ownership. My '95 Outrage 21 looks like this:

I mostly use it for diving around Palos Verdes (slipped in Redondo), but might be interested in a Catalina trip depending on the timing.

sternorama posted 05-21-2008 04:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for sternorama  Send Email to sternorama     
jeep9221-I'm interested in your take on the boat-in camping. I have yet to do this, but I am very interested on trying it this summer. Namely, what sites do you prefer, and why. Do you anchor bow and stern, and use an inflatable to land on shore?

Also would be interested in the locations of your overnight coves that are clear of the private beaches. Thanks.-Gary

OIA posted 05-21-2008 06:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for OIA  Send Email to OIA     

Are you putting your Whaler in the water this weekend. My Montauk's in the water through Memorial Day. B 23-25, something like that, in Portofino. Can't miss it, she's a 17-foot boat in a 45-foot slip.

John Mirassou

continuousdave posted 05-21-2008 07:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for continuousdave  Send Email to continuousdave     
gorgeous boat and great pictures (especially the one split screen between under/above the water). I have always liked the Ourtage 21 and Outrage 19/20 from that era. They seems to be the best comprimise of classic whaler with the benefits of a deeper v hull and some storage improvements. Have you ever figured out your fuel burn on that 225 merc? Fuel pricing being what they are, it's a consideration when I think about buying a new boat. Thanks
Frank O posted 05-21-2008 08:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Frank O  Send Email to Frank O     
John, I wish I were getting out this weekend, but I'm involved with the NASA mission landing on Mars Sunday (touch wood), so it'll be dry for me. My buddy and I are thinking of doing some freediving the following weekend. I'm in King Harbor Marina in E-14 if you get over that way.

Dave, you addressed your msg to sternorama but I'm wondering if you meant it for me as you mentioned the over-and-under photo etc. I imagine that's probably my 225 Merc 2-stroke you asked about. Mileage isn't great, but more immediately I've been getting a lot of overheating alarms lately -- replaced the thermostats and checked the poppet, but I still got an unexpected alarm on our last run a couple of weeks ago. A new engine would be great, but I'm not ready to repower just yet unless it dies on me. I'd like to see jeep9221's setup -- no kicker with that Yamaha?

continuousdave posted 05-22-2008 04:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for continuousdave  Send Email to continuousdave     
Frank, you are correct. I did mean to reply to you. Re: your older 225 merc, there is another thread on CW that talks about Mercury offering a $2000 rebate for repowering w. a Verado. Good luck w. the Mars landing!!! wow...Just goes to prove you never know who you're going to meet on CW.
tomol posted 05-22-2008 05:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for tomol  Send Email to tomol     
Great pictures as usual, Frank. Beautiful boat as well. Now if we can just get you out of that scuba gear. :-)
Frank O posted 05-22-2008 11:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Frank O  Send Email to Frank O     
Nate, I'm proud to say that my lifetime freedives outnumber my dives with tanks. I just have a few friends who traffic on the dark side ... ;-)

OIA posted 05-23-2008 12:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for OIA  Send Email to OIA     
Involved with Nasa Mars Landing? Wow! Look forward to that beer at the end of the day, you know, talk rocket science and Mars landings and stuff.

Let's hook up soon. I have a bigger boat, Thirsty Sol, moored at Portofino B-10 if you're ever harbor cruising around. Two partners, Jeff and John, I'm sure will say hello if I'm not around.

Still working on getting that slip in Portofino for The Whaler. The harbor master's great about getting me in for a week here and there when I want. Looking forward to that permanent slip though.


continuousdave posted 05-28-2008 02:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for continuousdave  Send Email to continuousdave     
Frank, congrat's on the successful Mars landing. From what I hear/read, it was a nearly flawless landing.
Frank O posted 05-28-2008 05:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Frank O  Send Email to Frank O     
Thanks, Dave. I should add, though, that I can't take any credit whatsoever for the technical achievement of the landing, since I'm in the communications department here. More specifically I was the editor for the bloggers who were reporting from the mission control room, and otherwise making sure that the web operations ran smoothly.

Looking forward to some quality time on the water next Sunday!

Frank O posted 05-28-2008 09:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Frank O  Send Email to Frank O     
John, we'll look for you. Haven't gotten out in a few weeks, but hope to do so much more often in June.
Frank O posted 06-03-2008 09:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Frank O  Send Email to Frank O     
I'm still interested in seeing jeep9221's boat, if he's around.
jeep9221 posted 06-14-2008 12:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeep9221    
Frank O - I will try to e-mail you a photo or two of my 1993 Outrage 21 - it looks very similar to mine. If you don't get it, try me at; and I will resend.

Sternorama - my next trip to Catalina is 7/12 - 7/15, camping at Two Harbors - here we all sleep ashore and I anchor off the beach (2 anchors). It can be a tricky anchorage due to traffic congestion and lots of wind (don't forget to allow for tide fluctuations). I recommend that if you take your 5 year old, that you make a reservation at Two Harbors (get a campsite close to the water), and sleep in a tent, then take off for day excursions in the boat. Everyone will be happier.

Another trick with the young kids was for me to send them on Catalina Express with mom (or solo when they were older) and then pick them up once they arrive in Catalina. My rule was if you were 10 or under, you could not cross in the Whaler. I met a guy who flipped his Whaler near San Clemente Is. and waited 5 hours to be rescued with his son (boat was turtled).

Best boat in site depends on the day, wind, etc. Lava wall is a great anchorage, sandy beach, etc., but is susceptible to wind. Paradise and Rippers are good - more protected, less private. Cabrillo is more protected, but a rocky beach.

Last when solo, I prefer to sleep on the boat and to choose my anchorage based on the day, weather, water vis, etc. You can anchor almost anywhere, so long as you stay out of the moorings and off private beaches (private beaches have no water rights, unless they have moorings set). I always use two anchors, I sleep in the bow under the cover, and I don't use a dingy. We have a system to unload the boat on the beach that is fast and easy - now we carry only a boogie board.

See e-mail above if I can answer more questions.

sternorama posted 06-24-2008 04:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for sternorama  Send Email to sternorama     
I'm thinking of a day trip to Catalina for some fishing on 6/28. Anyone else planning to go this Saturday?

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