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stlawrence posted 08-26-2002 04:18 PM ET (US)   Profile for stlawrence   Send Email to stlawrence  
I spoke with a rep from Wm J Mills the other day, who confirmed that Mills is no longer able to fabricate the full canvas for the newer Outrages. He said Boston Whaler changed the gunwale design so that the canvas cannot be secured (talking about the bow dodger). The rep said Mills had been doing some experimentation trying to devise a way to secure the canvas, but that chances were they would never offer the full canvas for the newer Outrages because of the lack of market.

I wrote an email to Boston Whaler asking about this, and have received no reply.

You know, I think this is crummy. I would buy a new Outrage, but I am going to be using it in cold conditions, and my spouse will never go for it if we don't have good canvas available. So what are my options? Does Boston Whaler have sales so strong that they can write off a complete segment of the population (those in cold climes) just because some designer wanted a sexy curve on the gunwale?

Have any of you found an alternative canvas supply? Anybody been able to secure a bow dodger on a new Outrage?

I wasn't going to do this, but I can't help it.

b I'm outraged.

Jerry Townsend posted 08-27-2002 12:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
I have a '96 17 OR and had a cover made which works great. I had a tent/awning outfit use a (forgot the name) material and the cover fits over the gunwale perhaps 4-6 inches. There is a poly 'cinch' rope enclosed in a loop that runs around the boat and is terminated at the motor well with a nylon strap, D-ring and buckle at the motor well. Poly rope is used because it doesn't stretch. The tent/awning outfit also reinforced all points of wear (rail over the windshield, downrigger mounts, front of the front rail, cleats - everything where something was contacting the cover) with a Herculite (heavy vinyl impregnated nylon) interior patch. The cover includes an attached cover with bungy cords for the engine.

In use, I simply get the cover over the boat, loop the nylon strap through the D-ring and back to the buckle and cinch it tight. Two short canvas loops on each side with short (4-5') lengths of nylon rope are looped around the trailer frame and tied. The cover does not move!

This cover is well made and has not caused any problems in 6 years. Now, I only keep the cover on the boat in the no-snow time and when trailering the boat. In the snow time part of the year, I remove the summer cover and use a vinyl impregnated nylon tarp simply tied front, back and both sides.

I paid something like $400 - but that was money well spent. ---- Jerry/Idaho

stlawrence posted 08-27-2002 10:48 AM ET (US)     Profile for stlawrence  Send Email to stlawrence     
Great sounding. Glad it works for you, but I was talking about a bow dodger/full canvas for use in cold weather while running.
Jerry Townsend posted 08-27-2002 11:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jerry Townsend  Send Email to Jerry Townsend     
stlawerence - my apologies - I didn't know what the words 'bow dodger' were - and now I know. I have similar desires as yourself and will look forward to what others suggest to your questions. ----- Jerry/Idaho
lhg posted 08-27-2002 02:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I'm going to be tough on Boston Whaler's current designers on this one, since I really think they are completely out of touch regarding how to design an "all-Weather" Outrage (or even Sport model) these days. Obviously, they don't care, since today's Outrages, as stated, are "fair weather Florida boats", having completely lost their New England classic heritage. The word "Boston" is sure a misnomer these days. Have only the big, SeaRay looking Conquests become Whaler's all weather boats?. If they think Sun Tops and Tee Tops, with a few puney side curtains, make a boat useable in the northern boating environment, they are misguided.

The problem is that the boat has to be designed from the "ground up" to accomodate TRUE all weather canvas protection. In the days of Fisher/Dougherty/Mills, this is the way they were done, complete with the raised gunwale "berms" (or lip) so that the canvas can truly shed water over the side. This simple design feature is now mostly missing, so an effective canvas system can't be employed. Whether Mills or SeaRay's supplier makes such canvas is not important (althoughs Mill's work is far superior in design and quality), but someone should if they ever want the Outrage to be again considered anything but a "booze and cruise" fair weather half serious fishing (sides are too high), go-fast boat. A nice Mills all-weather system would also have been a great supplement to the new Montauk, if it had been designed for it.

St Lawrence, please consider finding yourself a good condition Classic Outrage or Revenge and you'll be way ahead for your boating environment, and the wife will be happy also. Women not only like cocktail tables, vinyl lounge seats, stern seats, etc on a boat, (BW's marketing research, not my comment) but they also HATE cold wind, spray and rain in their face, and the accompanying discomfort.
For all their marketing dollars, BW seems to have missed this with the Outrages. Drink holders and stern seats instead of good weather protection makes no sense to me at all.

NWhaler posted 08-28-2002 12:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for NWhaler  Send Email to NWhaler     
Hello all, Talked to Bob @ Mill's and he confirmed that they will make the full canvas for outrage 1996 & + years. Bob noted he even has a 96 with canvas covers.
VMG posted 08-28-2002 12:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for VMG  Send Email to VMG     
I would think that there are plenty of custom canvas shops that would be happy to create whatever you desire. I had no problem whatsoever getting competitive offers from three different places in E. NC. for my 99 23'.
andygere posted 08-28-2002 02:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
I consider the full Mills canvas set the most usefull, versatile feature on my Montauk, and it definitely influenced me to buy the one I did over some Montauks. I agree with Larry that Whaler is making a grave mistake in abandoning Mills Canvas from it's designs. I would imagine that the dealers who no doubt made a nice mark-up on sales and installation of Mills sets are also unhappy. This summer I helped my dad install a new Mills mooring cover on his 99 Dauntless 16, and the quality and fit is every bit as good as I told him it would be. He agreed it was worth the price premium to go with Mills.
whalersman posted 08-29-2002 07:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
I contacted Bob at Mills about a month ago and he gave me prices on canvas for a 1997 Outrage 17.

Fly Top with Zipper #50-1290-02 = $850
Forward Shelter #50-1290-01 = $674
Windshield #50-1290-04 = $271

He mentioned that the Side Curtains and the Drop Curtain were not available because most people did not show any interest in these items.

Also, he said the only difference between the Fly Top (with Zipper) and the Bimini Top was the Zipper so it could connect to the Windshield. Otherwise they are the same.

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