OUTRAGE 210 v. VENTURA 210

[keithp66]

Q1: is the deadrise on a 210 VENTURA the same as on a 210 OUTRAGE?'

Q2: for a 210 OUTRAGE is 200-HP enough?

Q3: for a 210 VENTURA is 225-HP enough?

Q4: would 25-HP more for both the 210 OUTRAGE and the 210 VENTURA be more ideal?


BACK STORY
I am considering moving up to either a 2002 to 2008 210 OUTRAGE or 210 VENTURA from my current 2000 180 Ventura 180.
I have found specifications that indicate as follows:

DATA        210 OUTRAGE    210 VENTURA
Weight       2,700-lbs       3,300-lbs
Max power      225-HP        250-HP
Deadrise        20-inches   (unknown)

In one [source] I read the 210 OUTRAGE and 210 VENTURA were the same hull. In another [source] I read that [unclear, but probably means the hulls were not identical].

Most 210 OUTRAGE boats I have found have 200-HP engines, and most 210 VENTURA boats I have found have 225-HP engines.

[jimh]

A hull deadrise is usually measured as an angle, not in inches.

Q5: where did you find the deadrise specification for the 210 OUTRAGE provided in inches?

A deadrise angle of 20-degree sounds typical for an OUTRAGE hull.

Regarding the powering of the two boats, performance is always related to power to weight ratio.

Comparing using the Crouch Planing Hull Speed Prediction method, and using a HULL FACTOR of 180 for both, and not considering any weight increase for the added power, but adding 800-lbs to the hull weight to account for engine, crew, and gear

210 OUTRAGE 3,500-lbs with 200-HP = 43.0-MPH
210 OUTRAGE 3,500-lbs with 225-HP = 45.6-MPH

210 VENTURA 4,100-lbs with 225-HP = 42.2-MPH
210 VENTURA 4,100-lbs with 250-HP = 44.4-MPH

In the case of your possible purchase of a 210 VENTURA, not getting one with 250-HP but instead getting one with 225-HP will mean you might have a top speed that is lower by about 2-MPH.

If a reduction in possible top speed by 2.2-MPH is enough to cause you to be dissatisfied with your purchase, you probably should look for a 210 VENTURA with the 250-HP engine.

You can look at any combination of power, weight, and hull design with the Crouch's Calculator at

https://continuouswave.com/calculators/crouchCalc.php

The HULL FACTOR of 180 I have used is typical for a moderate V-hull boat like an OUTRAGE with a deadrise angle of 18 to 20-degrees. This value has been derived from analysis of many reports of performance for various Boston Whaler boats with a moderate V-hull.

If you can find data from Boston Whaler performance reports about these four different boat-engine configurations, you can get some actual on-water test data to use to compare the performance. If you do find that data, you are welcome to include it in a future reply.

Regarding use by Boston Whaler of the same hull mode to produce to different models of boat with identical hull shapes, that practice was very common in the 1980's, but in recent models the hulls are often different for different models to account for different weight distribution due to superstructure additions. I cannot comment on the situation proposed here regarding the OUTRAGE and VENTURA, both designated "210" models.

[keithp66]

jimh--thanks for your reply. You always provide helpful information.

It appears the deadrise for 210 Ventura is a mystery. I've looked at drawings from Boston Whaler for [both 210 OUTRAGE and 210 VENTURA]. The hulls look almost the same, if not identical. Both have a beam of 8-feet 4-inches and a draft of 15-inches, but the Ventura is one inch longer at 20-feet 7-inches.

I would like to move up to a boat that's a little longer and has a deeper vee than [the 180 VENTURA] we have now. It appears both the 210 VENTURA and 210 OUTRAGE would give me this. Next will be a sea trial on one or both.

[jimh]

Let me offer some more thoughts about choice of 210 as either OUTRAGE or VENTURA:

Your present boat is a 180 VENTURA, so I assume you like the layout and the dual-console design. If you switch to an OUTRAGE you will be getting a much different cockpit layout.

The OUTRAGE is a center console, and the helmsman can either stand or sit at the helm. A second person will have to share that seat if they want to be at the center console seat.

The VENTURA is a dual console, and from what I can see the helm positing would mostly be seated. A second person has their own seat on the other side. If you are going to have a constant companion when you go boating--perhaps your spouse--then the equality of seating in the VENTURA may be more attractive than sharing one seat in an OUTRAGE.

Whether to stand or sit at the helm often depends on the sea state and where you are boating. Generally in a situation with some higher waves I find it much preferable to stand at the helm than to sit. I typically only sit at the helm when underway at slower speeds and in calm seas.

The bow cockpit in a VENTURA forward of the dual consoles produces more seating opportunities, but, again, the sea state determines if anyone can comfortably sit there when underway at planing speeds.

Generally the most comfortable location for seated travel will be close to the stern. In an OUTRAGE that could take the form of two folding chairs with good padding. In a 210 VENTURA there may be a bench seat across the stern end of the cockpit--or that might be an option.

One of the most prolific posters with a 210 VENTURA is a fellow whose handle is "bluewater pirate". If you search for articles by him, you can find more comments about a 210 VENTURA. He has used his boat to travel rather far out into the ocean for angling, typically more than 20-miles offshore. That always surprised me because I presumed the helmsman would be seating down, which could be uncomfortable in the ocean.

Here is a sample comment from him:

As you know have a 210 Ventura all I can say, is [it's] an SUV, a jack-of-all-trades and a master of all. You can cruise, ski, fish, and use it for family outings. Imagination is the name of the game when it comes to rigging it because it gives you so many options and ways to go. It's one beast of a boat.

The biggest attribute I see for skiing is it affords terrific 360-degree visibility and has easy access to get back aboard from the water. It also comes with an optional ski towing pylon. It's easy to tow and launch.

Cf.: https://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum8/HTML/003687.html

I think there has been a shift in boat design that has occurred because of the rising cost of boats. For a long time a boat might have been "Dad's" boat, not the "Family boat." Dad and maybe a few pals went out angling in the boat.

But with boats so expensive the investment in a boat now may require that it serve more than one master. The whole family will be using the boat together. This trend has made the classic center console angling boat less popular. Now Boston Whaler even has million-dollar models called the REALM which are more or less giant, open, day boats that don't seem particularly great for angling or for overnighting and cruising, but somehow are popular models. I just cannot see $1,000,000 for a boat you can only really use on a day outing, but, hey, I am not really a potential buyer for any $1,000,000 boat.

[fno]

Hi there. I can answer to half the question. A 210 Outrage with T-top and fishing package will do in the neighborhood of 47-49 mph depending on the fuel and passenger load with a 225 HP fuel injected four stroke engine. Max fuel is 95 gallons so the fuel load is substantial. Mambo Minnow is also a longtime owner of a 210 Ventura. Not sure of his HP but he is active here and can answer for the 210 Ventura. It is my understanding that the two hulls are identical with maybe one or two minor modifications. The 210 Outrage leaning post is quite comfortable for two people and does not require any snuggling while underway. The controls are offset to the port side so running the boat is also easy. Also to note, there are two seats in the rear of the 210 Outrage. They are somewhat low but remain the most comfortable place to sit especially in less than ideal water conditions.

FWIW, I would only consider either boat with the maximum allowed horsepower. My first boat was a Dauntless 160 with a 90 HP four stroke engine. Max allowed was 115 HP but the lesser HP put the boat at a better price point. It was OK but needed help to get on plane that I reduced the prop pitch and lost some top speed. After that I vowed to max the horsepower on any later boats. As for not wanting to go fast and succumbing to lesser horsepower, I say this. The throttle was invented and installed on boats for a good reason. You don't need to go fast but you can when desired.

BTW, the 210 Outrage was for sale new at a Boston Whaler dealer with a 175 HP Optimax installed. I asked for more horsepower and the dealer made me a deal on a leftover(from 2004) 225 HP Yamamerc for another $1,000.00. I do not regret that decision.