Outrage 18 Midship Cleat

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Outrage 18 Midship Cleat

Postby einspritzer » Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:02 pm

What is the exact position for the midship cleat on a c.1980 Outrage 18?

My OUTRAGE 18 does not have midship cleats.I'm adding them now.

Where can a stainless [steel rub strake] that always [complements a gunwale-mounted] cleat be purchased?

Many thanks.

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Re: Outrage 18 Midship Cleat

Postby Phil T » Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:59 pm

Swen—Midship cleats were not a factory option.

I installed a set on my Outrage 17 due to the varied docks and piers I visit.

I selected a location that was just forward of the aft-most bow rail stanchion base. I also selected this location since it would be stronger than the gunwale cap.

I over-drilled the holes, dug out the foam, and injected expanding epoxy (Gorilla Glue) to give more strength. Here is a photo.

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Fig. 1. A midship cleat installed by the owner on an OUTRAGE 17
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For rub strakes visit: https://shop.hamiltonmarine.com/products/rub-strake-316-stainless-steel-43027.html

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Re: Outrage 18 Midship Cleat

Postby jimh » Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:50 am

Phil T wrote:I...injected expanding epoxy (Gorilla Glue) to give more strength.


PHIL--did you use this product from Gorilla Glue brands of many adhesives? I refer to:

https://www.gorillatough.com/product/gorilla-epoxy/

It looks like a nice epoxy with a interesting mixing-applicator, but I do not see any mention of expansion when setting.

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Re: Outrage 18 Midship Cleat

Postby Phil T » Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:23 am

Mea Culpa, I should not have used the word "epoxy".

It is their polyurathane based expanding glue.

https://www.gorillatough.com/product/original-gorilla-glue/
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Re: Outrage 18 Midship Cleat

Postby einspritzer » Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:39 pm

Got it thanks Phil. I'm looking to confirm the exact location of the midship cleat mounted on the 18 wood [gunwale--we use the Boston Whaler spelling--Moderator]. I want to keep the boat factory correct.

A photo would help.

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Re: Outrage 18 Midship Cleat

Postby Phil T » Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:04 pm

I was WRONG.

In doing a search of the archives, the cleat was an option.
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/011280.html

Here is a photo just sent to me by CON.
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Fig. 2. A midship cleat on an OUTRAGE 18
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Here is a [link to a] photo of an Outrage 18 with fiberglass gunwales and the cleat:
http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/elaelap/surprisesalmon001.jpg
Note: this image cannot be made in-line without intention blurring by the host website--Moderator]
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Re: Outrage 18 Midship Cleat

Postby einspritzer » Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:55 pm

PHIL--Great. Thanks. The thread you shared was Interesting.

Yes, the OEM [Wilcox, Crittenten & Co.] Marinium cleats are impossible to find. That is why I was just planning to use some other 8-inch cleats.

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Fig. 3. Midship cleat location on an Maine boat.
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I found a photo of my Maine boat that works. Seeing [the photo] now, I think [the cleats seen in the photo] are aftermarket. The strakes are longer and shaped a little differently. and the cleat doesn't look like aluminum.

I think I'm going to mount mine right behind the fuel filler.

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Re: Outrage 18 Midship Cleat

Postby jimh » Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:32 am

Is the boat identified as the "Maine boat" also an OUTRAGE 18?

Are the midship cleats seen in Figures 2 and 3 supposed to be interpreted as having been installed at the factory?

I don't think these details are made clear in the narratives. And the cleats are in different positions.

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Re: Outrage 18 Midship Cleat

Postby biggiefl » Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:21 am

For midship I would use a 6" folding cleat. The Accon ones that flush mount.

https://shop.acconmarine.com/products/2 ... cleat.aspx
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Using Pop-up Cleat for Midship Cleat

Postby Don McIntyre - MI » Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:33 pm

I'd also recommend the Acconmarine cleats, either the flush mount folding or the spring loaded ones. Reduces the chance of catching a shoe or bare foot on an area of [an OUTRAGE 18] that is prone to have feet on that surface.

https://shop.acconmarine.com/products/1 ... cleat.aspx

[Moderator's note: a drawing shows details.]

We're in the process of moving the two 4.5" popups that were mounted twenty years ago up forward on the deck of our 1973 21' Outrage to mid ship for spring and fender lines. In their place are to 6" popups and another set in the stern, replacing a pair of 8" (I think) oversized cleats.

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Fig. 4. An ACCONMARINE 4.5-inch pop-up cleat as installed on 1973 21 OUTRAGE gunwale as a midship cleat.
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A disadvantage of model is having to place a plastic shell underneath, and route drain tubes. The forward cleats will drain into the anchor locker, sterns into her bilge. The midships have been plumbed to drain overboard, just above the rubrail.

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Fig. 5. Drain hole for 4.5-inch cleat above the very low rub rail on a 1973 21 OUTRAGE.
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Re: Outrage 18 Midship Cleat

Postby biggiefl » Fri Nov 06, 2020 9:57 am

The folding Accon cleats are spring loaded.
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Re: Outrage 18 Midship Cleat

Postby einspritzer » Fri Nov 06, 2020 12:04 pm

jimh wrote:Is the boat identified as the "Maine boat" also an OUTRAGE 18?

Are the midship cleats seen in Figures 2 and 3 supposed to be interpreted as having been installed at the factory?

I don't think these details are made clear in the narratives. And the cleats are in different positions.


Yes, that's an Outrage 18.

No, I don't think [the cleats seen in Figure 3 are from the] factory. They are not Marinium and the strakes are longer.

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Re: Outrage 18 Midship Cleat

Postby jimh » Sat Nov 14, 2020 7:05 am

From the 1988 OPTIONS catalogue from Boston Whaler on page 26:

Boston Whaler wrote:Springline Cleats are constructed of heavy-duty Marinium, which won't rust or corrode. They are a real plus for tying up to a dock or alongside another boat. Available on all Outrages, Revenges, and Whaler27's.


Above the text there was an illustration of the cleat's appearance:

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Fig. 6. Springline Cleat illustration from Boston Whaler catalogue c. 1988.
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