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| Author | Topic: Outrage 18 Midships Cleats |
| derf |
posted 12-16-2005 09:13 PM ET (US)  
My 1981 Outrage 18 has midships cleats. They look like a factory installation to me. However, Mr. K points out: quote: I know better than to doubt his knowledge. Anyone else have similar cleats? They are Marinium, identicle to the other cleats. They have the same 1/4" but 1/2" wrench size nuts under them as the rodholders and other cleats. They have the same rub strakes as the other cleats. Could they be dealer installed? |
| kamie |
posted 12-16-2005 09:45 PM ET (US)
They were in fact an option and in 1981 cost $69.00
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| derf |
posted 12-16-2005 10:39 PM ET (US)
Woohoo, upgrades. |
| Joe Kriz |
posted 12-16-2005 10:54 PM ET (US)
Kamie, Please enlighten me on this one. The 1981 says "Springline Cleats" = $69..... Where are the Springline Cleats located? Maybe I have been reading the Springline Cleat Kit different.? Not one of the Boston Whaler Options Catalogs shows this option for the Outrages that I can find. If you can point me to the page, Please do so... You have good eyes...... |
| derf |
posted 12-16-2005 10:57 PM ET (US)
I think what I have been calling midships cleats are springline cleats. At least that is where I put the springlines. I really should buy Tom's CDs. But, I'm frugal. I go to the library and check out the repair manual for my outboard, when I need it. |
| Buckda |
posted 12-16-2005 11:13 PM ET (US)
Derf - The CD is worth the splurge..for those cold winter nights on the bayou....! My 18' Outrage also has midship cleats, made of marinium, identical to the cleat that is in the stern under the hawsepipe. I have temporarily removed them, but plan to reinstall them over the winter. Dave |
| Joe Kriz |
posted 12-17-2005 12:32 AM ET (US)
I am still confused here people. The defintion of Springline Cleats mentions nothing about them being "Midship".... At least not that I can find... The Boston Whaler catalogs do not mention or show any cleats midship on an Outrage 18'.... If anyone can point to a page on a Boston Whaler Options Catalog that shows the "Midship" cleats.... for an Outrage 18, please do so... Otherwise, don't assume anything............................................ The catalogs do mention "Springline Cleats" but show nothing amidship.... Just for the record.... Step up to the plate and be counted, or........ walk the plank...... :-) |
| Sheila |
posted 12-17-2005 02:35 AM ET (US)
Ah-ha! Mr. K = Joe! I've been puzzling over that. When I see diagrams of springlines, I see them amidships.... |
| Tom W Clark |
posted 12-17-2005 02:53 AM ET (US)
Springline cleats, midship cleats, same thing. I believe Whaler always called them Springline cleats. The springline cleats were never standard on the Outrage 18 (much to Tony Wilde's consternation and outrage) but they were available as an option or accessory. If one ordered an Outrage 18 from the factory with the option of the spring line kit (which included the chafe strip), then I am sure the factory would have installed them in a specific location. For all I know the kit may have come with installation instructions describing where they should go. However, it does not take much imagination to realize that if the owner of an Outrage 18 at some subsequent point in time bought a pair of Whaler Marinium cleats, they might have chosen (for better or worse) to have installed them in some other slightly different location. They might not have even bought the chafe strip that typically accompanied the cleats. Imagine a guy like Tony Wilde who buys an old Outrage 18 and is disgusted to see there are no springline cleats. So he buys a pair of cleats new, or maybe even used, and just goes ahead and puts them on. I think it is entirely possible this might have happened at some point in time on some boat, somewhere. |
| JohnPDX |
posted 12-17-2005 07:41 AM ET (US)
I do have a BW Catalog (88/89) that does show 2 small pictures of an 18 with springline cleats. They are mounted athwartship just aft of the fuel fill deck plate. I also have a 1988 parts list (French) and complete model/price list (French). I will try and "decode" the french parts list and see if a translated word "cleat" can be found... I have elected to mount my springline cleats just forward of the bow rails first aft section directly on the deck. I have installed step pads where the spring cleat would have been installed and because my 18 has aft rails, the companion way is the divers roll off platform area. No, my spring cleats do not have backing plates or nuts on the backside and screwed in with #14s, but they are sufficient for a docking tieup purpose as long as not used as towing points. It is possible to install backing plates by installing a small round inspection plate on the interior coaming but assuming having some common sense of not over-powering against the cleat for docking I preferred to not install a backing plate. If it ever does become a problem I will install an inspection plate and install a backing plate under the cleat. John |
| Sheila |
posted 12-17-2005 09:16 AM ET (US)
Speaking of Tony, I am stunned--STUNNED--that he hasn't chimed in here yet. |
| derf |
posted 12-17-2005 09:59 AM ET (US)
My springline/midships cleats don't have backing plates. They just have the same hardware as the rodholders. The screws in the rub strakes are the exact same screws as the other SS rub strakes. The nuts, which are definitely not your everyday 1/4" nuts, are the same as the rodholders, too. Standard 1/4" nuts are 7/16" across the flats and use a 7/16" wrench. These nuts are 1/2" across the flats. I removed all the hardware to work on the Teak. The look like factory or at least dealer installed items. I would assume if there was a "Springline Cleat" option that these must be them. This should help my resale value: "Rare, factory springline cleat option." |
| elaelap |
posted 12-17-2005 11:40 AM ET (US)
"Consternation", "disgust", "stunned", "outrage"... A whole lot of purple prose to describe my gentle advocacy for a simple, very, very useful modification to the classic Outrage 18, and to any other small watercraft that doesn't have 'em: http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b309/elaelap/surprisesalmon001.jpg I guess I hammer away at the efficacy of these things so often and so enthusiastically because I've learned so much about motorboating in all its aspects at this site, from so many knowledgeable and generous CW members, that I want to give a little something back from my limited repertoire. I simply backed my stainless Herreschoff cleats with two stainless washers, one normal size and one as big as would fit under the gunwale, and bolted the suckers on. I use them every time I use my boat, and rarely use my bow and stern lines at all unless I'm tying up in a slip for an extended period of time. Tony |
| Joe Kriz |
posted 12-17-2005 01:25 PM ET (US)
Well, You learn something new all the time. Not one of the Options Catalogs shows a photo of the optional Springline Cleats. They do mention them as an option for "Outrages" but I never figured they were for the Outrage 18 and never figured they were "Midship" cleats either. Only by looking at the Outrage 18 pricelist does it mention this option specifically for the Outrage 18... I still didn't put two and two together and thought they were the Midship cleats. Now I'm going to have to add a pair to my Outrage. Anyone have a pair of Springline Cleats for sale? |
| Tom W Clark |
posted 12-17-2005 01:39 PM ET (US)
I have ever price list there was from the 1980s and every one of them lists Springline Cleats as options for the Outrage 18. In fact they were an option for every Whaler model 18 feet and up. Note that the Springline Cleats Kits were NOT all the same part number for different hulls. I presume this meant that different bits of hardware were used based on what hull and model they were to be installed on. On some models the Springline Cleats were listed individually, i.e. a part number for a single cleat. Prices varied widely too. I'm guessing cleat kits with the chafe strip included were more money. Joe, A pair of Wilcox-Crittenden Marinium OE Whaler cleats for sale!? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Are you crazy? Where do you think you're gonna find a pair of those, huh bud? |
| Joe Kriz |
posted 12-17-2005 02:07 PM ET (US)
Tom, I like to dream..... :-) Yes, you are right about the price list showing the Springline Cleat Kit.
In reference to the different part numbers for the Springline Cleat Kit. |
| Tom W Clark |
posted 12-17-2005 02:15 PM ET (US)
Joe, Yes, I agree. Looking at the price lists where the cleats were listed individually, I see that the price per cleat (I've adjusted for inflation) comes to about $50 each. Now, because they are no longer available one would certainly have to assume they are worth much, much more. Can you imagine? A pair of 8" Marinium Wilcox-Crittenden just sitting there, new, never used, completely unblemished. I shudder to think what it would cost to convince the owner, nay curator, of such a rare bird to part with them. |
| elaelap |
posted 12-17-2005 02:26 PM ET (US)
Thanks a lot for rubbing it in, Tom. For those who don't know, Tom Clark, knowing of my obsession with these very useful cleats, offered to give me a couple of OE Marinium ones as sort of a boat-warming gift right after I bought Cetaceous. Because I was already embarrassed by his generosity in many other regards, I foolishly turned them down and instead mounted a couple of decidedly non-OEM stainless Herreschoff 6-inchers. Oh well, they work O.K.... Tony |
| Joe Kriz |
posted 12-17-2005 02:33 PM ET (US)
Name your price. Whatever it is .... "The Price Is Right" just like the game show on TV... |
| kamie |
posted 12-17-2005 03:38 PM ET (US)
The springline cleat kit did come with a chafe strip. You can see them on Evenstar. The cleats were removed in favor of outriggers but the chaffing strips are still in place. |
| anthonylisske |
posted 12-18-2005 10:03 PM ET (US)
Joe, There is a company, Nuatical Promotions, that has marinium hershoff cleats. They are exactly like the WC. I ordered a pair a couple of weeks ago. I will let you know how they are. Just google them online. Anthony P.S. I was replacing the stainless springline cleats on my boat. |
| 17 bodega |
posted 12-18-2005 10:43 PM ET (US)
Funny Story Tony, I still have the cheap (but quite functional) black plastic cleat from Loolee's old console. Even more so than Cetaceous, Loolee is a one rope tie up kinda boat in the right situations. I love the look on other people's faces when I tie her up with one rope. Pure horror. I will get around to installing more midship cleats. They are great, espeically if you do lots of docking in the water. |
| elaelap |
posted 12-18-2005 11:41 PM ET (US)
If you're like me, Steve, you love even more watching folks lamely and helplessly holding onto a bow line as the wind and current sweep their boat perpendicular to the dock, to hang there blocking the ramp and evoking unpleasant comments from those trying to land or launch ;-) Tony |
| ratherwhalering |
posted 12-19-2005 12:08 AM ET (US)
quote: I seriously doubt Tom would accept money for any hypothetical cleats he may or may not have...the "pound of flesh" analogy comes Tom mind ;-) I mean to mind. |
| Tom W Clark |
posted 12-19-2005 01:13 PM ET (US)
Rob, Gee, I never really know what you are talking about. Joe, Look at what I just stumbled acrosss in my basement: |
| Joe Kriz |
posted 12-19-2005 01:20 PM ET (US)
Tom, Wow, is this a Time Warp here? Were those sealed in a Time Capsule? Wow.... |
| 17 bodega |
posted 12-19-2005 02:16 PM ET (US)
Can't you just hear them begging santa... |
| Buckda |
posted 12-19-2005 02:28 PM ET (US)
I too, have a pair of these Marinium cleats just sitting in a barn in SW Michigan...but they're not for sale...no sir. They're going back on the 18 when I'm done with various other improvements. They're out there, but they're generally not for sale. These are on my list, along with the W/C marinium bow/navigation lights, every Saturday morning when I go "bin diving" at Wolf's surplus in Benton Harbor. One day, I'll come across a new-in-the-box set of lights... Dave |
| anthonylisske |
posted 12-19-2005 04:48 PM ET (US)
Say..... I think it is about time to move this thread over the the "Market Place" section. What do you guys think? Those cleats look awfully shiny there Tom. |
| derf |
posted 12-19-2005 05:58 PM ET (US)
Joe, I'll lure Tom out on a fishing expedition and you raid his basement. I'll bet he has more stuff in there than some BW dealers. |
| Joe Kriz |
posted 12-19-2005 06:15 PM ET (US)
Derf, Great guess on Tom's basement. I have been in his basement and he does have more parts in 'stock' then most Whaler dealers. He didn't show me the cleats though. I guess he didn't want me to drool on them and get them dirty.... :-) Besides, he might have had to take a crowbar and pry my fingers off of them. |
| derf |
posted 12-19-2005 06:54 PM ET (US)
Yeah, most merchants keep the good stuff out of sight, either behind the counter or in the hidden floor safe. |
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