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Horseshoer Claude posted 08-12-2000 01:44 AM ET (US)
Hi All,
What a great forum! This is actually Claude-the-horseshoer's wife Rebecca. I wanted to get him a boat for his birthday because he's wanted one for a long time. Looked at various big ole dealer-promoted boats and
thought we'd look at used boats.
I guess we had a streak of luck because the first ad that grabbed us was for a Montauk.
We sorta knew it was the one when we pulled into the driveway to see it. The teak helped, and just a certain look. Not sure if it's a classic, as it's a '91, but the paperwork says it was made in Massachusetts. So I'm a little confused about that, but don't mind as it seems like a fine boat.
Two trips out and she seems to be user-
friendly, kindly and fun. We plan to fish
for sturgeon, stripers and salmon in the
San Francisco/San Pablo bays, with maybe
an occasional trip out the Gate when we get
more familiar with it all. Thanks all for
all the information and good stories.

whalernut posted 08-12-2000 07:07 AM ET (US)
Congratulations Rebecca and Claude. Montauks are special boats, very versatile and so Classic looking. As far as the 91` being made in Rockland,Mass. that is confusing. Maybee someone can clarify? Also does the 91` have the older commercial style 3 peice rubrail or the newer ribbed style? Good luck fishing-Jack Graner.
jimh posted 08-12-2000 08:17 AM ET (US)
Hi Rebecca,
Don't worry about the pedigree, that Montauk is a classic. Rockland, Mass. only matters to a couple of whaler nuts, so to speak.
:-)
--jimh
Horseshoer Claude posted 08-12-2000 12:19 PM ET (US)
Thanks, guys.
Two questions so I can answer your
question Jack. What's a rubrail?
Are there any pictures on here that
show what you mean?
We'll try to get a picture of her
for the site, then you all can tell
us what we got. She looks pretty
spiffy behind the old Chevy truck.
It's amazing how many people come
up and admire the boat.
whalernut posted 08-12-2000 04:59 PM ET (US)
Yes, it is amazing how many heads a Whaler will turn. I was heading to put my 73` `16 Currituck in my dock and another guy drove past with a Grady-White and he turned his head all the way around to see my Whaler! As for the rubrail it is the black rubber that runs around the outside of the gunnel that protects you`re boat when you bump into things. The 3 peice rubrail will have a backing of white/off white, then a metal stripping with smooth rubber stripping running through it. The newer ribbed style rubrail will be a fat ribbed black peice of rubber. Does this help? Regards-Jack Graner.
Horseshoer Claude posted 08-12-2000 05:47 PM ET (US)
OK, it has the 3-piece rubrail, then.
It's not ribbed. And there's a metal
plate with Rockland, MA as the address
of the maker. The paperwork and pink
slip all say 1991. Could it have been
made in 1990 and sold in 1991?
Rebecca
whalernut posted 08-12-2000 07:07 PM ET (US)
Rebecca, that is very good news. You have a Classic Whaler. The 3 peice rubrail and the Rockland,Mass. manufacture give it away. You must have one of the last ones made there. You have one hell of a boat. It must have been titled in late 91`? No big deal. The newer Whalers are made in Florida and have the newer cheaper ribbed rubrails (I think the early nineties Whalers have the older 3 peice rubrails) and in my opinion not built as well. The ones built in the early nineties before they changed the rubrails are great boats. But still a Florida built Whaler just does not apeel to me. Enjoy you`re Rockland,Mass. Whaler. Regards-Jack Graner.
lhg posted 08-14-2000 08:20 PM ET (US)
I'll try to help out here, since no one at Boston Whaler, very unfortunately, is willing or able to give us any COMPLETELY ACCURATE facts on some of these questions. So here's what I know from the Dealer gossip column.
First of all, Jack, my 1989 25 Outrage, pictured elsewhere on this site, and purchased new, was BUILT IN EDGEWATER. I don't think anyone would say this boat is not one of the Classic Dougherty designed Whalers. It is the design most importantly, and maybe desert tan color to a lesser extent, that seems to more define the boats that are the major subject of this website, not where they were actually manufactured. One must remember that during the years of 1987 - 1995, Whaler's manufacturing locations and ownership were in transition.
From what I have heard over these years of being a Whaler owner, when the Edgewater plant was purchased, I think in 1987?, initially the larger Whalers were destined to be made there, such as the 20, 22, 25, 27 & 31's. The Company was still under original CML ownership, and all of the molds, and many of the employees who wanted to make the move, etc were sent to FL to produce the boats. My guess is that the southern US was a larger market for the bigger boats, so it made sense to make them there. I remember that when I ordered my new 25, in Feb of 1989, they told me the 18 Outrage and all boats smaller, were still being made in Rockland. I believe the 18 Outrage switched to FL in 1992, when it's revised design was introduced, and the Montauks and smaller, probably not until 1993 or 1994 when Rockland was shut down. I suppose it's possible that the first white Montauks, introduced as the 1991 30th anniversary edition, could have been made in FL, since I'm sure they had more than one set of molds for that hull.
So a 1991 Desert Tan, teak trimmed Montauk could only have been made in Rockland in 1991. I think 1995 was the year that Rockland was closed, under Meridian's (Mastercraft Ski boats) ownership and all remaining small models switched to FL.
From what i can tell, there is no difference in quality of an Outrage, circa 1985 & made in Rockland, and one from 1988 or 1989, made in FL.
All in all, location of manufacture is insignificant regarding the boats, but more importantly, it was the design decisions being made during the years of "revolving door" ownership, that have had the major influence on what Whalers look like and how they were designed and outfitted.
Alioop posted 08-14-2000 10:56 PM ET (US)
All whaler's larger then 17'that where built in Massachusett's where actually built in a seperate facility in Norwell,MA. not the Rockland facility.Rockland only built 17'and under.I live in Mass. and drove by both facilities very often and saw many unique configurations at the Norwell plant on many occasions.I saw my Montauk during it's final assy.(installion of console etc.)during a trip to plant to see my brother who worked in the woodworking dept. for a short time. Mike
Alioop posted 08-14-2000 11:00 PM ET (US)
Sorry, forgot to get to the point of why I mentioned the seperate plant was,that the Norwell plant was the first to close and move to florida. Thereby moving all building of anything over 17' to Florida. Thereby creating (Florida Whaler). Mike
bigz posted 08-15-2000 06:07 AM ET (US)
Hi Mike,
Thanks for clearing up this manufacturing facilities point since I was surprised to learn our 27 cc cuddy was built in Norwell in summer of '86 but sold to Falmouth Harbor Yacht sales as an '87 model!
I did know Whaler mid-year production boats usually were tagged with the next year but surprised on the Norwell build.
Tom
whalernut posted 08-15-2000 04:38 PM ET (US)
Larry, I agree with you as far as design and quality goes for Whalers, not where they are made. But a Florida made Whaler doesn`t apeal to me, I guess alot has to do with Eastern pride and I hate when manufacturing closes and people get stiffed and lose their jobs. Also, when did, and/ or who(ownership of Whaler) changed the rubrail design from the 3 peice commercial style rubrail to the all black, what I consider cheaper rubrail used today. This is really when I started seeing the quality drop, because I think the new rubrails are inferior to the old style. Also the hull change seemed to be around the same time(deep-deep- v). Also the color change seemed to be around the same time. The white they use now is way too white(glareing). Then the euro-styling(yuck), that is just awfull looking. So it seems I guess I don`t like the styling sometime in the early to mid nineties? I don`t even want to get into the Brunswick debate, I could write a book on how much I dislike their practices! Regards-Jack Graner.
dave_maggio posted 08-15-2000 05:51 PM ET (US)
Oh, I just can't resist. Jack, what is it that you don't like about the rub rail on my 15' Dauntless? I'm confused. I will say that it is big and black, but oh boy does it do its job...
-Dave
whalernut posted 08-15-2000 06:08 PM ET (US)
Dave, first off, it is a little large and goddy looking, just sticks out like a sore thumb. Then, it isn`t very classic looking. I prefer the 3 peice commercial rubrail because it blends in better and looks more Whalerish. I like the chrome trim that the rubber fits in. It goes nice with the Mahogany. Believe it or not, I don`t like the old white glued on rubrail very much of 1958-1972! The new rubrail, as far as the boats that I saw it on was of bad fit and finish, crooked and just kind of cheezy looking. As far as bumping into things with it, it may very well do the job. I don`t meen no offense, enjoy you`re Dauntless Dave. Regards-Jack Graner.
Ger posted 08-16-2000 09:51 PM ET (US)
I gues its just a matter of taste, but I'll take the blue interior over the tan any day!!
whalernut posted 08-17-2000 07:36 PM ET (US)
Ger, I agree the blue interior is awsome. I would love a tan hull with the blue interior. Boston Whaler doesn`t even take custom color orders for recreational Whalers anymore, so I guess my color combination is just a fantasy! Regards-Jack Graner.

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Author	Topic: Happy New Montauk Owner
Horseshoer Claude	posted 08-12-2000 01:44 AM ET (US) Hi All, What a great forum! This is actually Claude-the-horseshoer's wife Rebecca. I wanted to get him a boat for his birthday because he's wanted one for a long time. Looked at various big ole dealer-promoted boats and thought we'd look at used boats. I guess we had a streak of luck because the first ad that grabbed us was for a Montauk. We sorta knew it was the one when we pulled into the driveway to see it. The teak helped, and just a certain look. Not sure if it's a classic, as it's a '91, but the paperwork says it was made in Massachusetts. So I'm a little confused about that, but don't mind as it seems like a fine boat. Two trips out and she seems to be user- friendly, kindly and fun. We plan to fish for sturgeon, stripers and salmon in the San Francisco/San Pablo bays, with maybe an occasional trip out the Gate when we get more familiar with it all. Thanks all for all the information and good stories.
whalernut	posted 08-12-2000 07:07 AM ET (US) Congratulations Rebecca and Claude. Montauks are special boats, very versatile and so Classic looking. As far as the 91` being made in Rockland,Mass. that is confusing. Maybee someone can clarify? Also does the 91` have the older commercial style 3 peice rubrail or the newer ribbed style? Good luck fishing-Jack Graner.
jimh	posted 08-12-2000 08:17 AM ET (US) Hi Rebecca, Don't worry about the pedigree, that Montauk is a classic. Rockland, Mass. only matters to a couple of whaler nuts, so to speak. :-) --jimh
Horseshoer Claude	posted 08-12-2000 12:19 PM ET (US) Thanks, guys. Two questions so I can answer your question Jack. What's a rubrail? Are there any pictures on here that show what you mean? We'll try to get a picture of her for the site, then you all can tell us what we got. She looks pretty spiffy behind the old Chevy truck. It's amazing how many people come up and admire the boat.
whalernut	posted 08-12-2000 04:59 PM ET (US) Yes, it is amazing how many heads a Whaler will turn. I was heading to put my 73` `16 Currituck in my dock and another guy drove past with a Grady-White and he turned his head all the way around to see my Whaler! As for the rubrail it is the black rubber that runs around the outside of the gunnel that protects you`re boat when you bump into things. The 3 peice rubrail will have a backing of white/off white, then a metal stripping with smooth rubber stripping running through it. The newer ribbed style rubrail will be a fat ribbed black peice of rubber. Does this help? Regards-Jack Graner.
Horseshoer Claude	posted 08-12-2000 05:47 PM ET (US) OK, it has the 3-piece rubrail, then. It's not ribbed. And there's a metal plate with Rockland, MA as the address of the maker. The paperwork and pink slip all say 1991. Could it have been made in 1990 and sold in 1991? Rebecca
whalernut	posted 08-12-2000 07:07 PM ET (US) Rebecca, that is very good news. You have a Classic Whaler. The 3 peice rubrail and the Rockland,Mass. manufacture give it away. You must have one of the last ones made there. You have one hell of a boat. It must have been titled in late 91`? No big deal. The newer Whalers are made in Florida and have the newer cheaper ribbed rubrails (I think the early nineties Whalers have the older 3 peice rubrails) and in my opinion not built as well. The ones built in the early nineties before they changed the rubrails are great boats. But still a Florida built Whaler just does not apeel to me. Enjoy you`re Rockland,Mass. Whaler. Regards-Jack Graner.
lhg	posted 08-14-2000 08:20 PM ET (US) I'll try to help out here, since no one at Boston Whaler, very unfortunately, is willing or able to give us any COMPLETELY ACCURATE facts on some of these questions. So here's what I know from the Dealer gossip column. First of all, Jack, my 1989 25 Outrage, pictured elsewhere on this site, and purchased new, was BUILT IN EDGEWATER. I don't think anyone would say this boat is not one of the Classic Dougherty designed Whalers. It is the design most importantly, and maybe desert tan color to a lesser extent, that seems to more define the boats that are the major subject of this website, not where they were actually manufactured. One must remember that during the years of 1987 - 1995, Whaler's manufacturing locations and ownership were in transition. From what I have heard over these years of being a Whaler owner, when the Edgewater plant was purchased, I think in 1987?, initially the larger Whalers were destined to be made there, such as the 20, 22, 25, 27 & 31's. The Company was still under original CML ownership, and all of the molds, and many of the employees who wanted to make the move, etc were sent to FL to produce the boats. My guess is that the southern US was a larger market for the bigger boats, so it made sense to make them there. I remember that when I ordered my new 25, in Feb of 1989, they told me the 18 Outrage and all boats smaller, were still being made in Rockland. I believe the 18 Outrage switched to FL in 1992, when it's revised design was introduced, and the Montauks and smaller, probably not until 1993 or 1994 when Rockland was shut down. I suppose it's possible that the first white Montauks, introduced as the 1991 30th anniversary edition, could have been made in FL, since I'm sure they had more than one set of molds for that hull. So a 1991 Desert Tan, teak trimmed Montauk could only have been made in Rockland in 1991. I think 1995 was the year that Rockland was closed, under Meridian's (Mastercraft Ski boats) ownership and all remaining small models switched to FL. From what i can tell, there is no difference in quality of an Outrage, circa 1985 & made in Rockland, and one from 1988 or 1989, made in FL. All in all, location of manufacture is insignificant regarding the boats, but more importantly, it was the design decisions being made during the years of "revolving door" ownership, that have had the major influence on what Whalers look like and how they were designed and outfitted.
Alioop	posted 08-14-2000 10:56 PM ET (US) All whaler's larger then 17'that where built in Massachusett's where actually built in a seperate facility in Norwell,MA. not the Rockland facility.Rockland only built 17'and under.I live in Mass. and drove by both facilities very often and saw many unique configurations at the Norwell plant on many occasions.I saw my Montauk during it's final assy.(installion of console etc.)during a trip to plant to see my brother who worked in the woodworking dept. for a short time. Mike
Alioop	posted 08-14-2000 11:00 PM ET (US) Sorry, forgot to get to the point of why I mentioned the seperate plant was,that the Norwell plant was the first to close and move to florida. Thereby moving all building of anything over 17' to Florida. Thereby creating (Florida Whaler). Mike
bigz	posted 08-15-2000 06:07 AM ET (US) Hi Mike, Thanks for clearing up this manufacturing facilities point since I was surprised to learn our 27 cc cuddy was built in Norwell in summer of '86 but sold to Falmouth Harbor Yacht sales as an '87 model! I did know Whaler mid-year production boats usually were tagged with the next year but surprised on the Norwell build. Tom
whalernut	posted 08-15-2000 04:38 PM ET (US) Larry, I agree with you as far as design and quality goes for Whalers, not where they are made. But a Florida made Whaler doesn`t apeal to me, I guess alot has to do with Eastern pride and I hate when manufacturing closes and people get stiffed and lose their jobs. Also, when did, and/ or who(ownership of Whaler) changed the rubrail design from the 3 peice commercial style rubrail to the all black, what I consider cheaper rubrail used today. This is really when I started seeing the quality drop, because I think the new rubrails are inferior to the old style. Also the hull change seemed to be around the same time(deep-deep- v). Also the color change seemed to be around the same time. The white they use now is way too white(glareing). Then the euro-styling(yuck), that is just awfull looking. So it seems I guess I don`t like the styling sometime in the early to mid nineties? I don`t even want to get into the Brunswick debate, I could write a book on how much I dislike their practices! Regards-Jack Graner.
dave_maggio	posted 08-15-2000 05:51 PM ET (US) Oh, I just can't resist. Jack, what is it that you don't like about the rub rail on my 15' Dauntless? I'm confused. I will say that it is big and black, but oh boy does it do its job... -Dave
whalernut	posted 08-15-2000 06:08 PM ET (US) Dave, first off, it is a little large and goddy looking, just sticks out like a sore thumb. Then, it isn`t very classic looking. I prefer the 3 peice commercial rubrail because it blends in better and looks more Whalerish. I like the chrome trim that the rubber fits in. It goes nice with the Mahogany. Believe it or not, I don`t like the old white glued on rubrail very much of 1958-1972! The new rubrail, as far as the boats that I saw it on was of bad fit and finish, crooked and just kind of cheezy looking. As far as bumping into things with it, it may very well do the job. I don`t meen no offense, enjoy you`re Dauntless Dave. Regards-Jack Graner.
Ger	posted 08-16-2000 09:51 PM ET (US) I gues its just a matter of taste, but I'll take the blue interior over the tan any day!!
whalernut	posted 08-17-2000 07:36 PM ET (US) Ger, I agree the blue interior is awsome. I would love a tan hull with the blue interior. Boston Whaler doesn`t even take custom color orders for recreational Whalers anymore, so I guess my color combination is just a fantasy! Regards-Jack Graner.