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|Author||Topic: 23" cuddy|
posted 09-02-2000 07:14 PM ET (US)
I am beginning to look for a boat with a cuddy (I now have an 89 Monyauk, which I love) so that I can overnight. I located an ad for a 1991 Whaler 23" cuddy with a 225 HP Johnson. Does anyone know what this boat could be(model name etc.)? Good, bad, or ugly model? Cuddy arraingements? Any info or opinions would be appreciated.
posted 09-02-2000 08:14 PM ET (US)
Well, it should be a Whaler 23 Walkaround. I say "should" because I have seen both the Revenge 22 and the Outrage Cuddy 22 incorrectly advertised as 23's.
If this is the ad I'm thinking of, then from the picture, that boat is an older (non Walk-Through) 22' Revenge. I think only the motor is 1991.
For the money it may be a good deal, depending of course on the condition of boat, motor, and trailer.
It so happens that I've got a Montauk as well and am also considering a second larger Whaler.
posted 09-03-2000 09:14 AM ET (US)
BBoeri --- Barry's probably right if it is a '91 could be any of the ones he mentioned a lot of folks don't know the proper Whaler title for their boat ---
If it is a '91 Walk Around pretty nice boat and so would be the Revenge just a different configuration --- the WA is more of a center helm surrounded by the forward cuddy with the cuddy companion way to the port and a narrow deck to the port and starboard of the helm to walk to the bow --- the Revenge is a forward helm station more conventional style on the starboard side with the cuddy companion way dead center and if a walk through a section of the windshield which opens and you climb up to get to the bow --- think I have that right!
Big question is the condition of the 225 --- if you pursue purchase you want a compression test on the cylinders, a pressure and vacuum test run on the lower unit and you want to make sure the plugs are nice and clean no burnt electrodes, black carbon build up etc. and if you can test drive make sure the motor is turning the specified rpm's at Wide Open Throttle (WOT)-- and the water pump is pumping nice steady steam ---
Just some thoughts --- Tom
PS first determine what the heck it is!
posted 09-03-2000 10:22 AM ET (US)
I just bought an '86 Revenge 22 Walk Through and repowered it with a new Yami 225 and I must say that it is quite a nice, solid boat -- as you would expect in a Whaler. Tom's description of the Revenge WT is right on. Prior to the Walk Through model, Whaler made a Revenge which was not a Walk Through. I'm guessing that the first model year for the Walk Through was 1985. The quickest way you can tell the difference between the two is that the non Walk Through model only had two windshield panes. The Walk Through model has three panes, the center pane is hinged to allow it to be opened for walk through access to the bow. From the side, the Walk Through model looks a little sleeker also. The bow rails on the Walk Through are spaced inboard whereas the non walk through model bow rails run along the gunnel. If the ad is the one the Barry mentions, I too have seen the picture and the boat advertised is an older Revenge (non-walk through model), only the motor is a 1991. Whaler also made a cuddy model which was called the Walk Around in both 21 and 23 foot sizes. I think that the Walk Around was introduced as a 1992 model. 1991 may have been the last year for the Revenge Walk Through.
posted 09-03-2000 02:16 PM ET (US)
The 21 Walkarounds were introduced late in 1991 as 1991 models. I'm not sure, but I believe the 23 was also introduced late in 1991.
posted 09-03-2000 05:01 PM ET (US)
I think you are correct, that the Whaler 23 Walkaround was introduced in 1991. I've still got a copy of a brochure, "Boston Whaler presents a look at what's new for 1991". The boats listed include the 16SL, Outrage 17, 21 Walkaround, 23 Walkaround, 27 Walkaround, Offshore 27, and Whaler 31L.
I always thought the 23 looked like a neat boat. "The 23 offers a brand new beamy deep-vee hull that can handle the roughest of seas, yet it's still trailerable. The cabin includes not only a v-berth, but also a galley and an enclosed head, unusual to find in a boat of this size." This predecessor to the Conquest had a loa of 26'4", beam of 8'6, weight of 2,650 lbs., and was rated for 400 hp. For comparison, the 23' Conquest has a loa of 22'7", 8'6" beam, weighs 3.
posted 09-03-2000 05:09 PM ET (US)
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3,650 lbs., and is rated for a max of 300 hp.
As with any boat there are compromises. Because of the walkaround design I would guess that there isn't much elbow room at the helm.
Saw one of these for sale on boattraderonline a while back. I think I actually saved a jpg or two.
posted 09-03-2000 08:16 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the info Backlash. FYI, my catalog with a 1992 copyright date shows both the 21 and 23 walkarounds. So by 1992, assuming this catalog was published as indicated in 1992, both were clearly in the model lineup as replacements for the Revenge series.
Barry, its interesting to compare the 23' Conquest to the 22' Revenge -- it weighs 1300 more pounds, has 1 foot more beam, is 4 inches longer and can take 60 hp more. At 3650 lbs, it seems pretty heavy for a boat that is not even 23'.
posted 09-03-2000 10:33 PM ET (US)
The last year of the Classic hulled Revenge Walk-throughs was 1990. They were discontinued for 1991 in favor of the new 21 & 23 Walkarounds.
posted 09-03-2000 11:45 PM ET (US)
I'd like to clarify a misconception regarding the LOA and weights of the 21 and 23 Walkarounds. The previously referenced '91 brochure incorrectly lists the 21 Walkaround as weighing 1800 lbs. The 23 is shown at 2650 lbs and 26'4" LOA. I believe this length includes the whaler drive. Both the '92 and '93 brochures (I believe correctly) list the 21 Walkaround at 2600 lbs. and the 23 (outboard) at 4050 lbs with a length of 23'9". The whaler drive 23 is listed as weighing 4300 lbs. with LOA of 26'4".
posted 09-06-2000 08:20 PM ET (US)
Further to Steve's message, in 1994 these 21 & 23 Walkaround hulls, with a slight "Smirk" modification, became the 21 & 24 Outrages, respectively. Incidentally, the newer Conquest models are not in the same league with these short lived, and expensive to build, high quality Walkarounds. In 1994, Boston Whaler, which had fallen on hard times, decided that they should return to their "roots", and concentrate on the center console boats that made them famous, and thus discontinued the Walkarounds, converting them to Outrages, which were less expensive to build.
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