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19' low profile
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posted 09-29-2000 11:22 AM ET (US)
I was wondering if any of you whaler guru's know anything about the whaler 19' low pro. I am looking for any info regarding these boats. I believe they were manufactured in the mid-70's and only a few hundred were made. I know there are a lot of 19' outrages that have been converted to the low pro by removing the "cap", but I am looking for info, history on the true 19' low pro. I was told that the majority were sold along the Texas and Florida coast. Any info is appreciated. Anyone out there own one or know of someone with one. Any out there for sale?
I find it interresting that there are several boat manufacturers (at least in Texas) copying the hull of the 1970's 19' and 21' outrages and selling them like hotcakes. Most people don't realize that Whaler produced the hull over 25+ years ago. Once again it proves that whaler was ahead of their time.
posted 09-29-2000 01:17 PM ET (US)
It was interesting to find out about the 19 and 21' copies. Any chance of you posting some photos? I'd be interested (as a '73 21' owner) in seeing how close they are to the origional.
I have a brochure for the lo-pro 19 somewhere in my collection. Never saw any lo-pro 21's, but heard rumor that the factory had a couple of "sleds" (their term, not mine) around the yard. One had a tower built onto it, and was used as a photo boat.
Best - Don McIntyre
posted 09-29-2000 08:23 PM ET (US)
There are two boat manufacturers in Texas, Gulf Coast boats and Transports, who have copied the whaler hull. I know for a fact that Transport "popped" a mold off of the 19' outrage when they started their business approximately 8 years ago (there were some legal battles that followed). Over the years both manufacturers have altered the hull somewhat, primarily by putting a tunnel in the hull for shallow water applications, but the boats are very close to identical to the 19' and 21' outrages of the 70's.
I briefly searched the web and found 2 web sites with pictures of their boats.
Look at the boats on the web and tell me what you think. Looks like a whaler copy to me!
FYI- the founder of Gulf Coast boat is Mickey Gilley's (country music singer) cousin or nephew; I'm not sure which.
If you have trouble getting through to the web sites, just search the web for Tran boats and Gulf Coast Boats.
posted 09-29-2000 10:03 PM ET (US)
I checked both sites, and yea, I can understand how they got their butts sued. They both look like the 19 low profile. Nuts, they ARE the 19 lo-pro. I'll have to check my old brochure and maybe scan it up for Jim to post for a comparison.
Best - Don
posted 09-29-2000 11:30 PM ET (US)
1. Why would someone want a boat with NO
freeboard like these?
2. Will that Tran Sport T14 stay above
water when it's not on plane? ;-)
posted 09-30-2000 10:07 AM ET (US)
The whaler brochure suggested uses were: bone fishing, crabbing, oil boom work and skin diving.
As a diver myself, I think that it would work.
One recurring thought was to eventually find a real, real rough 21' with the upper skin badly damaged, rip off the upper skin to the rub rail, move the console forward and install a long fiberglass box for seating and gear storage. Use it as a low cost beach boat. All the rain, etc would pretty much wash off. Light enough for a 4 wheel beach trailer and electric winch.
Best - don
posted 09-30-2000 10:10 AM ET (US)
On the Texas coast, low profile "scooters" have been around since the early 70s, maybe earlier than that. They were, and are, as they are still very popular, excellent boats for fishing the flats and bays on the Texas coast. One nice thing about a boat with litte or no sides is that it is easy to get in and out of when wade fishing (also easy to fall out of as a friend of mine demonstrated at the launch the other day). Many of the original scooters were completely flat bottomed and handled choppy bays horribly. So, someone noticed that the low profile whalers had excellent sea keeping abilities and ran relatively shallow. Many have modified existing whalers or purchased "knockoffs" modified for flats fishing (no sides, raised motor and jackplate, tunnel hull). For examples of these, see the Tran Sport and Gulf Coast manufacturers. Gulf Coast makes boats that are designed off the old whaler hulls exclusively. These boats are very popular in Texas with flats/wadefisherman as they get you to and from your wadefishing spot with a smoother, drier ride without getting beaten to death. I do not have any experience with the quality or reliability of the "knockoff" manufacturers, but can tell you these things are everywhere.
posted 09-30-2000 11:34 AM ET (US)
Does your broshure on the 19 low pro give a weight for the boat and rated horsepower? What year is the boat in the broshure? What info does it give.
posted 10-01-2000 06:29 PM ET (US)
max hp: 175
According to the brouchures, they were only offered during the 1977 and '78 model years.
Base price in 77 - $5200, '78 - $5525.
The workboat specs (additional 210 lbs of glass and resin) were only shown for the 1978 model, at an added cost of $850.
Probably more than we really wanted to know.
posted 10-10-2000 08:33 PM ET (US)
I looked at those Transport boats, complete knock-offs of the first 19' Low Profile Outrage hull. I recently read an article about this practice of buying a boat, then making a duplicate hull mold and going into business with someone else's design. There's a name for the practice I don't remember, but evidently it's perfectly legal after a certain number of years when a copyright/patent runs out. OMC and Suzuki did this with Mercury's 60 degree V-6 outboard engine block, and also Merc's stern drive units, when those patents expired.
And Mercury did it to Volvo with the duo-prop design, even though it had been standard fare on torpedos for years. Guess that's life in the boating business.
posted 10-12-2000 08:01 AM ET (US)
Here locally the concept is called "splashing" a hull.
If I was to do something like that with the 19 or 21' old outrage hull, I'd look at adding a slightly deeper V, along with some other minor mods.
Ya gotta live with a hull for a few years before deciding what ya'd do different.
There are also some interesting manufacturing methods coming out. Professional Boat Builder has had some recent articles.
Best - Don
posted 10-12-2000 02:25 PM ET (US)
You're right, Don. "Splashing" was the word I was looking for. When we were up at Spider Bay Marina for the N/C Rendezvous, we came across a Canadian firms' knock-off of a 26' wide beam Bertram, also "splashed". Jim makes a reference to it on "Day Two" of his commentary. I've got to say, as a designer myself, this practice by what I consider highly unethical people, really bugs me! I wonder if any of the 2nd generation Outrage hulls have been splashed. I would think the 18, 22 & 25's would be prime candidates for a knock off.
posted 10-12-2000 04:41 PM ET (US)
"Splashing"!! Rip-off puts it too lightly. These guys are criminals. I can't believe they get away with this. I would love to ride in one of these crates. I'll bet a dime to a donut that they ride like cra_! Part of the overall performance of the Whaler hull is brought about by the construction techniques and materials. These geniuses are probably using inferior materials, no sandwich construction and sub-par workmanship. Like in golf, knockoffs can be o.k. (good counterfeits) to horrible. But, if you want the original and all of its quality, put up the cash.
posted 11-04-2000 06:37 PM ET (US)
Here's another Whaler "hull splashing" story, from this month's "Soundings Trade Only" newspaper, in an article on boating in Cuba:
"Cuba will also offer manufacturing opportunities. A Cuban company produces a Boston Whaler lookalike, and has made 32 of them to date, laying the fiberglass up by hand. With it's lower labor costs, the Cuban company is able to sell the Whaler knockoffs for a third less than the real thing, although the finish is imperfect."
The author, Douglass G Norvell, does not indicate which model Whaler was "splashed".
posted 11-05-2000 09:44 AM ET (US)
Here are some photos of the original Boston Whaler Lo-Profile boat. Thanks to Don McIntyre for sending these.
posted 11-05-2000 10:43 AM ET (US)
Hey Don and Jim,
Thanks for posting pictures of the 19' low pro. What a beauty! I would love to get my hands on one in good shape. I just purchased a 19' outrage which had the top skin removed creating the 19' low pro. The only problem is the boat is in rough condition. I purchased the boat from another state and had it transported to my house. Unfortunately I had only seen pictures of the boat before I received it. The owner told me that the boat was "rough", but after inspecting it I realized it was more work than I can handle. The boat and motor are sound (floor and transom are in good shape), but cosmetically it is not pleasing to the eye (lots of spider cracks in the floor, poor patch work, and an extremely poor paint job). I took it to a local fiberglass shop that specializes in restoring old whalers. The quote I was given to restore the boat is out of my budget. By the way has anyone heard of spraying the floor of a boat with a truck bed liner? Someone suggested spraying the inside of the boat with the same material they use to line the bed of trucks. You can get the liner in any color and it would cover all the spider cracks, but I am not sure how long it would last. Not to mention it would take away from the orginality of the boat and I would imagine that the bed liner would be near impossible to remove if you ever wanted to restor the boat. Just curious if anyone has heard anything positive or negative about the use of bed liners.
My plans are to put the boat back on the market for $5500.00 (that is what I have into the boat) and see if anyone is interested in a project boat. Until then I will continue to fish out of it every chance I can (taking it out today for an afternoon trip today if it doesn't rain).
Maybe one day I will stumble across an orginal 19' low pro.
posted 11-06-2000 11:40 AM ET (US)
Tran Sport boats down in Texas isn't bragging, but they're not disputing that their mold came off an old Whaler 19' hull. I just spoke to them. Said they're filling the space between hull and deck with closed-cell foam, and you can leave the plugs out without taking on water. Has sold a number of them to the Texas Parks & Wildlife folks. The 19'10" version only takes 7" of draft with the tunnel. With a jack plate, you've got what looks and sounds like a perfect flats rig for down this way. The deck is all glass with non-skid molded in, a simple design with a couple compartments on either side of the splash well. Otherwise, wide open... like the vintage Whaler. No wood anywhere, inside or out, maybe a plus. These things may not be for the purist, but I've been admiring that particular rig for a while. With a center console and 50 gal. in-deck gas tank, the 19'10" hull and tandem trailer (no power), will cost you $11,000. Heck, I don't know why somebody wanting a "new" hull shouldn't consider it. After all, the lines and functionality are pure classic whaler. Given what the bowling ball and Euro-Baby folks have done to the line the last few years, the only difference may be the decal and the price! Don't expect this phenomenon to stop. As the classics continue to dissapear from the official Whaler line up, it might actually be great for some mom & pop shops to keep the older beauties out there in new glass. Sure beats seeing them slowly dissapear from the waters, imo.
posted 11-16-2000 03:12 PM ET (US)
Here's another one for you. I just received some literature showing Mako's "new 2001 technology" for their "Inshore Flats boats".
If this "Revolutionary Design" (their quote)
for a hull bottom is not a Whaler knock-off, nothing is! It shows a BW Classic hull chine which they are trade marking under the name of "No Slap Chine", and the typical Whaler notch underneath the chine that they are trademarking "Quiet Glide Rail". A blatant copy of the famous BW Montauk/Outrage hulls when seen from the transom.
posted 01-20-2001 12:27 AM ET (US)
I came across a 1974 19' Outrage low profile for sale in Bay City, Texas. With a 1993 Mariner 150 they are asking $9,950. It is for sale on www.allaboutboats.com
posted 01-21-2001 01:35 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the post Chad. I have looked at the boat in Bay City. So far the owner has not been able to get the motor to run right and the hull has been painted and a truck bed liner sprayed in the "tub" of the boat. I was hoping to locate one a little more "original".
I do appreciate you posting the notice.
posted 01-21-2001 02:15 PM ET (US)
Is this the boat you looked at?
I sure would like to try it out !!!
posted 01-22-2001 02:57 PM ET (US)
I couldn't open the site you have listed. I do know that the 19' low pro I was referring to is the only 19' for sale in Bay City. There are not a lot of 19's around here and if you find one chances are good the owner will not sell.
posted 01-22-2001 04:19 PM ET (US)
posted 01-22-2001 04:39 PM ET (US)
I would think that original low-profile 19's would be hard to find. But the regular 19 Outrage is fairly common and not too good of a seller, since it rides fairly hard in offshore duty. For those interested in getting a low-profile, it might be smart to buy an Outrage 19 and remove the top liner. A new rubrail kit would also be required, but not much else.
posted 01-22-2001 07:03 PM ET (US)
Larry, the Regular 19 Outrage you speek of, is that the Ribbed sided hull of the early-mid. seventies, I like those? Regards-Jack Graner.
posted 01-22-2001 07:12 PM ET (US)
Jack: The ribbed sided original Outrages were only produced in 1971 & 1972, and were only on the 21' hull. I think the smooth sided 19's came out in 1974.
Also, I should have first read Outrage's original post before putting up my message!
posted 01-22-2001 08:41 PM ET (US)
Does anyone have the websites for Gulfcoast boats or Transport boats mentioned above, I can`t seem to locate them in my search engine? Regards-Jack Graner.
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