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insatiable_98 posted 12-09-2000 09:08 AM ET (US)
What is the difference between a 90 and 89 or 88 22 Outrage??
Chap posted 12-11-2000 05:28 PM ET (US)
98
Look back about a month or two for my post. I posed a similar question with a focus on the 22 Outrage. The string that developed was very informative and appreciated. I am still shopping for classic 22's and have seen several in various conditions. Four things have caught my attention. First, I have run into a 1990 boat built in Florida, it even had a backwards logo on one side. Also, the splashbox possibly changed when the one piece railing began etc. I noticed one earlier design with a splash box that extended down below the water line and filled with water at rest. The other one I think evolved later, into a more traditional trough the full width of the boat deeper in front of the engine but still above the water line. Third, concerns the rear in deck storage on a 22. Earlier boats may have had a teak guttterless cover and later versions seem to have a guttered glass hatch that drained into a sump(this may have been only on fiberglass gunwhaled boats as that is where I saw this variation). Lastly I noticed two sumps existed, one in each corner inboard of the full width splashbox, in the later model. I may or may not be totally correct in my findings but I offer them none the less. I welcome any input and criticism as I move through the learning curve.
Chap
Chap posted 12-11-2000 05:30 PM ET (US)
98
Look back about a month or two for my post. I posed a similar question with a focus on the 22 Outrage. The string that developed was very informative and appreciated. I am still shopping for classic 22's and have seen several in various conditions. Four things have caught my attention. First, I have run into a 1990 boat built in Florida, it even had a backwards logo on one side. Also, the splashbox possibly changed when the one piece railing began etc. I noticed one earlier design with a splash box that extended down below the water line and filled with water at rest. The other one I think evolved later, into a more traditional trough the full width of the boat deeper in front of the engine but still above the water line. Third, concerns the rear in deck storage on a 22. Earlier boats may have had a teak guttterless cover and later versions seem to have a guttered glass hatch that drained into a sump(this may have been only on fiberglass gunwaled boats as that is where I saw this variation). Lastly I noticed two sumps existed, one in each corner inboard of the full width splashbox, in the later model. I may or may not be totally correct in my findings but I offer them none the less. I welcome any input and criticism as I move through the learning curve.
Chap
Chap posted 12-11-2000 05:31 PM ET (US)
98
Look back about a month or two for my post. I posed a similar question with a focus on the 22 Outrage. The string that developed was very informative and appreciated. I am still shopping for classic 22's and have seen several in various conditions. Four things have caught my attention. First, I have run into a 1990 boat built in Florida, it even had a backwards logo on one side. Also, the splashbox possibly changed when the one piece railing began etc. I noticed one earlier design with a splash box that extended down below the water line and filled with water at rest. The other one I think evolved later, into a more traditional trough the full width of the boat deeper in front of the engine but still above the water line. Third, concerns the rear in deck storage on a 22. Earlier boats may have had a teak guttterless cover and later versions seem to have a guttered glass hatch that drained into a sump(this may have been only on fiberglass gunwaled boats as that is where I saw this variation). Lastly I noticed two sumps existed, one in each corner inboard of the full width splashbox, in the later model. I may or may not be totally correct in my findings but I offer them none the less. I welcome any input and criticism as I move through the learning curve.
Chap
lhg posted 12-11-2000 05:56 PM ET (US)
Except for the items discussed above, which I have little knowledge of, there is not a great deal of difference in these three years. 1987 was a landmark year for both the 22 & 25, as this marked the introduction of Whaler's own engine bracket/full transom design option, the Whaler Drive. I believe these models, which cost an extra $3000 new, to be more desireable, but this is a purely personal opinion. Many prefer the standard outboard notched transom.
In 1989, the bow and optional side rails were changed to one-piece 1" welded designs, rather than the jointed 7/8" rails made by CMI. Although this seems like an improvement, from experience I can tell you that the CMI jointed 7/8" rails were superior quality, much less likely to surface rust at the flanges and stain the hull. The only downside is the continuous screw tightening needed at the fittings. I have not been happy with the all welded bow rail on my Outrage 25, even though this is now the standard on all new boats. I'm sure that cost is the issue here.
In 1989 BW made the fiberglass gunnel sections standard, and the teak now an extra $300. Prior to 1989, the reverse was true.
In 1990, I believe a few of the accessory components were changed from varnished mahogany or teak to black starboard. This was also the last year that the Montauk console was used as the "standard console". In the 1991 models of all Outrages, a new standard console (see photos of "Outre" in Cetacea) was introduced.
These are about the only differences during these model years of which I am aware.
Chap posted 12-12-2000 09:17 AM ET (US)
Sorry everybody for the triple shot post. My system is not my own.
Chap
JC Scott posted 12-12-2000 09:53 AM ET (US)
Chap: If you are still on serious hunt for a classic OR 22, I looked at a 1983 in Michigan in October which is in very nice original shape. I believe it is still listed on boattraderonline.com for $18000.
OutrageMan posted 12-15-2000 05:49 PM ET (US)
I own a 91 22' Outrage with Whaler Drive. After nearly 25 years of busting kidneys and blowing out my back on many different models of BW's (you have get to love it), I have to say that this is the finest riding one I have ever been on.
"EphraimWhaler" also has a 22 in an '84 vintage, and it too has an exceptional ride. His however, is sans the Whaler Drive.
I believe that it is the Whaler Drive that give this boat its exceptional seakeeping characteristics, aas well as its good tracking.

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Author	Topic: 1990 Outrage vs 1988 or 1989
insatiable_98	posted 12-09-2000 09:08 AM ET (US) What is the difference between a 90 and 89 or 88 22 Outrage??
Chap	posted 12-11-2000 05:28 PM ET (US) 98 Look back about a month or two for my post. I posed a similar question with a focus on the 22 Outrage. The string that developed was very informative and appreciated. I am still shopping for classic 22's and have seen several in various conditions. Four things have caught my attention. First, I have run into a 1990 boat built in Florida, it even had a backwards logo on one side. Also, the splashbox possibly changed when the one piece railing began etc. I noticed one earlier design with a splash box that extended down below the water line and filled with water at rest. The other one I think evolved later, into a more traditional trough the full width of the boat deeper in front of the engine but still above the water line. Third, concerns the rear in deck storage on a 22. Earlier boats may have had a teak guttterless cover and later versions seem to have a guttered glass hatch that drained into a sump(this may have been only on fiberglass gunwhaled boats as that is where I saw this variation). Lastly I noticed two sumps existed, one in each corner inboard of the full width splashbox, in the later model. I may or may not be totally correct in my findings but I offer them none the less. I welcome any input and criticism as I move through the learning curve. Chap
Chap	posted 12-11-2000 05:30 PM ET (US) 98 Look back about a month or two for my post. I posed a similar question with a focus on the 22 Outrage. The string that developed was very informative and appreciated. I am still shopping for classic 22's and have seen several in various conditions. Four things have caught my attention. First, I have run into a 1990 boat built in Florida, it even had a backwards logo on one side. Also, the splashbox possibly changed when the one piece railing began etc. I noticed one earlier design with a splash box that extended down below the water line and filled with water at rest. The other one I think evolved later, into a more traditional trough the full width of the boat deeper in front of the engine but still above the water line. Third, concerns the rear in deck storage on a 22. Earlier boats may have had a teak guttterless cover and later versions seem to have a guttered glass hatch that drained into a sump(this may have been only on fiberglass gunwaled boats as that is where I saw this variation). Lastly I noticed two sumps existed, one in each corner inboard of the full width splashbox, in the later model. I may or may not be totally correct in my findings but I offer them none the less. I welcome any input and criticism as I move through the learning curve. Chap
Chap	posted 12-11-2000 05:31 PM ET (US) 98 Look back about a month or two for my post. I posed a similar question with a focus on the 22 Outrage. The string that developed was very informative and appreciated. I am still shopping for classic 22's and have seen several in various conditions. Four things have caught my attention. First, I have run into a 1990 boat built in Florida, it even had a backwards logo on one side. Also, the splashbox possibly changed when the one piece railing began etc. I noticed one earlier design with a splash box that extended down below the water line and filled with water at rest. The other one I think evolved later, into a more traditional trough the full width of the boat deeper in front of the engine but still above the water line. Third, concerns the rear in deck storage on a 22. Earlier boats may have had a teak guttterless cover and later versions seem to have a guttered glass hatch that drained into a sump(this may have been only on fiberglass gunwaled boats as that is where I saw this variation). Lastly I noticed two sumps existed, one in each corner inboard of the full width splashbox, in the later model. I may or may not be totally correct in my findings but I offer them none the less. I welcome any input and criticism as I move through the learning curve. Chap
lhg	posted 12-11-2000 05:56 PM ET (US) Except for the items discussed above, which I have little knowledge of, there is not a great deal of difference in these three years. 1987 was a landmark year for both the 22 & 25, as this marked the introduction of Whaler's own engine bracket/full transom design option, the Whaler Drive. I believe these models, which cost an extra $3000 new, to be more desireable, but this is a purely personal opinion. Many prefer the standard outboard notched transom. In 1989, the bow and optional side rails were changed to one-piece 1" welded designs, rather than the jointed 7/8" rails made by CMI. Although this seems like an improvement, from experience I can tell you that the CMI jointed 7/8" rails were superior quality, much less likely to surface rust at the flanges and stain the hull. The only downside is the continuous screw tightening needed at the fittings. I have not been happy with the all welded bow rail on my Outrage 25, even though this is now the standard on all new boats. I'm sure that cost is the issue here. In 1989 BW made the fiberglass gunnel sections standard, and the teak now an extra $300. Prior to 1989, the reverse was true. In 1990, I believe a few of the accessory components were changed from varnished mahogany or teak to black starboard. This was also the last year that the Montauk console was used as the "standard console". In the 1991 models of all Outrages, a new standard console (see photos of "Outre" in Cetacea) was introduced. These are about the only differences during these model years of which I am aware.
Chap	posted 12-12-2000 09:17 AM ET (US) Sorry everybody for the triple shot post. My system is not my own. Chap
JC Scott	posted 12-12-2000 09:53 AM ET (US) Chap: If you are still on serious hunt for a classic OR 22, I looked at a 1983 in Michigan in October which is in very nice original shape. I believe it is still listed on boattraderonline.com for $18000.
OutrageMan	posted 12-15-2000 05:49 PM ET (US) I own a 91 22' Outrage with Whaler Drive. After nearly 25 years of busting kidneys and blowing out my back on many different models of BW's (you have get to love it), I have to say that this is the finest riding one I have ever been on. "EphraimWhaler" also has a 22 in an '84 vintage, and it too has an exceptional ride. His however, is sans the Whaler Drive. I believe that it is the Whaler Drive that give this boat its exceptional seakeeping characteristics, aas well as its good tracking.