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trouthunter2 posted 02-10-2001 10:24 PM ET (US)
Greetings. For some reason, I have suddenly acquired a hankerin' for an early to mid '80s V22 Revenge. I am attracted by the fact it has a cuddy ( young family and all...). Can anyone direct me to a web reference to see what the cuddy on the 22' Revenge looked like / what size it was? Any advice would be appreciated. Anxious for Spring in Minnesota - Steve
jimh posted 02-11-2001 06:06 AM ET (US)
I don't have a photograph on-line (yet), but the cuddy of the 22-Revenge contains just a vee-berth. There is sitting headroom, but not standing headroom.
A porta-potti can be installed between the berths. An optional filler panel was available which covers the porta-potti and extends the middle of the berth. Because of crafty design, the wooden filler panel can invert and rotate, becoming a small table between the berths. You have to see this to understand it, but it is another example of Whaler design at its best: very crafty!
I have not slept on my Revenge (just got it) but I am thinking that because of the trim of the boat, you might want to sleep with your head in the bow and feet to stern (because you want your head higher than your feet), although this might change after two people get in the cuddy, (i..e, the boat would trim down by the bow a little).
--jimh
lhg posted 02-11-2001 03:40 PM ET (US)
A potential Revenge buyer should also know that the original 22 Revenge was changed in 1985 to the Revenge WT (Walk Through). If you can, compare both. I think the later WT model is the better of the two, with easier access to the bow for docking, fishing, etc..
NUMRP posted 02-11-2001 07:39 PM ET (US)
I agree with Larry, I currently own a 1990 22' Walk-Though Revenge. The walk though feature is a real asset especially with the optional bow pulpit option.
I have a family of four and we slept on our boat for four days in NY habor during the 4th of July. Utilizing the full Mills Canvas with drop down curtain the two teenage kids slept on the deck on foam cushions and my wife and I slept in the v-berth. I brought a small window air condioner and was able to fit it under the drop curtain and seal it with velco to the AC unit.
The small AC unit is a life saver, it kept us cool, dry and bug free. My wife has actually agreed to do it again this summer.
Ray posted 02-11-2001 10:07 PM ET (US)
I noticed a few 22's for sale with pics. all in the Great Lakes and Minn. area. Check on www.yachtworld.com and also www.boattraderonline.com. There is an '81 near me in MI which is on one of these sites. It is in fairly good cond. and is somewhat reasonalbly priced at around $13k. There is a big difference in the two models talked about above also so check out the difference. Ray
trouthunter2 posted 02-11-2001 11:31 PM ET (US)
Thanks all for your advice! Any more information would be appreciated. I will do my best to investigate the WT model option.
Any advice on powering these? Single motor vs. twin motors? What about those that were offered with I/O - good? bad? just different?
Thanks again, Steve
NUMRP posted 02-12-2001 12:21 PM ET (US)
I have my 22 WT-Revenge powered with a single 1990 -225 Hp Yamaha w/ SS Mercury Mirage prop and a 9.9 hp 4 stroke Yamaha kicker. This boat does about 50 mph with the main engine and the kicker is fast enough to troll for bluefish.
Even with a dead battery you can easily hand pull start the 9.9 hp and use it to charge your batteries.
I think the max HP rating for the 22'is 240HP, so with dual engines you can't get counter rotating engines. I may be wrong but I think the smallest counter rotating outboards available are 150 HP.
hardensheetmetal posted 02-12-2001 12:40 PM ET (US)
Steve-
I have an 88 22' Revenge W/T Thgat I am getting ready to sell. It has an 88 225 Yamaha and new Mills canvas set, as well as a new stern seat. The boat is in very clean condition and is all original, I'm planning on asking $19,000, let me know if you are interested. The boat is in south eastern NY.
Well that was my sales pitch, now my opinion. I had been on an older Revenge 22, and as far as I can remember, the cuddy is pretty much identical to the W/T model. The cockpits both had about the same room,, maybe a few more inches in the W/T. The big difference is in the helm. The W/T is so convenient(and safer) for docking and anchoring. My own opinion is that the W/T model looks much cooler, the winsheild is a bit lower and more raked aft. Good luck in your search
Dan
Peter posted 02-12-2001 02:11 PM ET (US)
Just to put in my 2 cents --
I agree with all that has been said about the w.t. version of the Revenge. I have a 1986 w.t w/pulpit and the w.t. design is a huge improvement in that it allows very quick access to the bow when docking and anchoring. For most situations, I actually think that this is a better design than other maker's walk arounds. Perhaps a walk around might be better in the rare instance that you are fighting a fish with the canvas up, start in the bow and end up at the stern or vice versa.
Although I have not yet spent a night in the cabin (also in the "just got it" category), it is certainly roomy enough for two people 6 feet and under in height. Additionally, there is room for a portapotti between the berths as Jimh points out.
A single 200 or 225 hp engine should be plenty to push the 22 Revenge. Unless you need or desire the redundancy of twin engines (going significantly off shore), I would stick with a single outboard. With a single, you'll probably get higher top end, use less fuel and will have lower annual maintenance costs. Mine is pushed by a 225 Yamaha. Top speed is in excess of 45 mph with all of the Mills canvas up. I find that trim tabs are very useful on this model.
NUMRP -- is it safe to assume you were at a dock when you were running the A/C or did you have a long extension cord?
NUMRP posted 02-12-2001 04:39 PM ET (US)
Yes Peter,
I was in a transient slip on shore power. I made up a duplex receptical with a ground fault receptical that connects to a standard
30 amp shore power cord. This allowed me to run the AC unit, cabin fan,lights and coffee maker for the morning.
Clark Roberts posted 02-12-2001 05:15 PM ET (US)
See my comments on the 22 Revenge WT/WD with 225 optimax in the Post Classics section of this forum... I'm not surprised at this "hankering" for a 22R. My two cents worth: RE: the Walk through model.. In my opinion this is the best looking boat afloat! The lines, proportions and functionality leave me weak in the knees! And the cabin is really "generous" with the 7' bunks, stowage shelves and cubby holes... etc.. and the potti cover/table is ingenious, like Jim mentioned... blows me away! My favorite feature (aside from the walk-through windshield and clever slide-out steps/ladder) is the long bow rail leading to the pulpit.. right out of star wars!!! Can you tell I love the boat... I would have one at my dock but it draws just a tad too much water... my 21 Revenge with jack-plate gets the job done nicely... Happy Whalin'.. Clark... Spruce Creek Navy
Clark Roberts posted 02-12-2001 05:20 PM ET (US)
My comments are under "New 23 Conquest/Ed's New Thread".. Clark
jimh posted 02-12-2001 11:06 PM ET (US)
Dan,
Don't be afraid to start the asking price higher if your 22 is in good shape. I don't think you will have any problem selling it.
If I hadn't just bought this 20-WT I'd be driving to NY right now...
The W.T. feature is very nice and the Mills canvas designed so that even with the flying top set you can walk through to the bow without having to duck your head too much to clear the canvas.
This is another example of their good design and something you might not get with another brand or style of canvas.
SWarren posted 02-13-2001 08:45 AM ET (US)
My 22 revenge wt with bow pulpit has an alum frame with t-top. It is black canvas with a full enclosuer, the t-top has rocket launchers and a bright halagon light the lights up the deck. I have out lee outriggers mounted on it. While the alum frame is not standard whaler, it looks very good like it could have been an whaler option. The boat has a large boat feel with the draft and handeling of a smaller boat. If you can find one get on.
hardensheetmetal posted 02-13-2001 09:40 AM ET (US)
SWarren
Can you post a picture I would love to see what the boat looks like with black canvas and the T-top
Dan
SWarren posted 02-13-2001 02:49 PM ET (US)
Dan,
I am working on getting one posted, I am not very good with the computer, as soon as I get it figured out I will send Jim one.

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Author	Topic: 22' Revenge
trouthunter2	posted 02-10-2001 10:24 PM ET (US) Greetings. For some reason, I have suddenly acquired a hankerin' for an early to mid '80s V22 Revenge. I am attracted by the fact it has a cuddy ( young family and all...). Can anyone direct me to a web reference to see what the cuddy on the 22' Revenge looked like / what size it was? Any advice would be appreciated. Anxious for Spring in Minnesota - Steve
jimh	posted 02-11-2001 06:06 AM ET (US) I don't have a photograph on-line (yet), but the cuddy of the 22-Revenge contains just a vee-berth. There is sitting headroom, but not standing headroom. A porta-potti can be installed between the berths. An optional filler panel was available which covers the porta-potti and extends the middle of the berth. Because of crafty design, the wooden filler panel can invert and rotate, becoming a small table between the berths. You have to see this to understand it, but it is another example of Whaler design at its best: very crafty! I have not slept on my Revenge (just got it) but I am thinking that because of the trim of the boat, you might want to sleep with your head in the bow and feet to stern (because you want your head higher than your feet), although this might change after two people get in the cuddy, (i..e, the boat would trim down by the bow a little). --jimh
lhg	posted 02-11-2001 03:40 PM ET (US) A potential Revenge buyer should also know that the original 22 Revenge was changed in 1985 to the Revenge WT (Walk Through). If you can, compare both. I think the later WT model is the better of the two, with easier access to the bow for docking, fishing, etc..
NUMRP	posted 02-11-2001 07:39 PM ET (US) I agree with Larry, I currently own a 1990 22' Walk-Though Revenge. The walk though feature is a real asset especially with the optional bow pulpit option. I have a family of four and we slept on our boat for four days in NY habor during the 4th of July. Utilizing the full Mills Canvas with drop down curtain the two teenage kids slept on the deck on foam cushions and my wife and I slept in the v-berth. I brought a small window air condioner and was able to fit it under the drop curtain and seal it with velco to the AC unit. The small AC unit is a life saver, it kept us cool, dry and bug free. My wife has actually agreed to do it again this summer.
Ray	posted 02-11-2001 10:07 PM ET (US) I noticed a few 22's for sale with pics. all in the Great Lakes and Minn. area. Check on www.yachtworld.com and also www.boattraderonline.com. There is an '81 near me in MI which is on one of these sites. It is in fairly good cond. and is somewhat reasonalbly priced at around $13k. There is a big difference in the two models talked about above also so check out the difference. Ray
trouthunter2	posted 02-11-2001 11:31 PM ET (US) Thanks all for your advice! Any more information would be appreciated. I will do my best to investigate the WT model option. Any advice on powering these? Single motor vs. twin motors? What about those that were offered with I/O - good? bad? just different? Thanks again, Steve
NUMRP	posted 02-12-2001 12:21 PM ET (US) I have my 22 WT-Revenge powered with a single 1990 -225 Hp Yamaha w/ SS Mercury Mirage prop and a 9.9 hp 4 stroke Yamaha kicker. This boat does about 50 mph with the main engine and the kicker is fast enough to troll for bluefish. Even with a dead battery you can easily hand pull start the 9.9 hp and use it to charge your batteries. I think the max HP rating for the 22'is 240HP, so with dual engines you can't get counter rotating engines. I may be wrong but I think the smallest counter rotating outboards available are 150 HP.
hardensheetmetal	posted 02-12-2001 12:40 PM ET (US) Steve- I have an 88 22' Revenge W/T Thgat I am getting ready to sell. It has an 88 225 Yamaha and new Mills canvas set, as well as a new stern seat. The boat is in very clean condition and is all original, I'm planning on asking $19,000, let me know if you are interested. The boat is in south eastern NY. Well that was my sales pitch, now my opinion. I had been on an older Revenge 22, and as far as I can remember, the cuddy is pretty much identical to the W/T model. The cockpits both had about the same room,, maybe a few more inches in the W/T. The big difference is in the helm. The W/T is so convenient(and safer) for docking and anchoring. My own opinion is that the W/T model looks much cooler, the winsheild is a bit lower and more raked aft. Good luck in your search Dan
Peter	posted 02-12-2001 02:11 PM ET (US) Just to put in my 2 cents -- I agree with all that has been said about the w.t. version of the Revenge. I have a 1986 w.t w/pulpit and the w.t. design is a huge improvement in that it allows very quick access to the bow when docking and anchoring. For most situations, I actually think that this is a better design than other maker's walk arounds. Perhaps a walk around might be better in the rare instance that you are fighting a fish with the canvas up, start in the bow and end up at the stern or vice versa. Although I have not yet spent a night in the cabin (also in the "just got it" category), it is certainly roomy enough for two people 6 feet and under in height. Additionally, there is room for a portapotti between the berths as Jimh points out. A single 200 or 225 hp engine should be plenty to push the 22 Revenge. Unless you need or desire the redundancy of twin engines (going significantly off shore), I would stick with a single outboard. With a single, you'll probably get higher top end, use less fuel and will have lower annual maintenance costs. Mine is pushed by a 225 Yamaha. Top speed is in excess of 45 mph with all of the Mills canvas up. I find that trim tabs are very useful on this model. NUMRP -- is it safe to assume you were at a dock when you were running the A/C or did you have a long extension cord?
NUMRP	posted 02-12-2001 04:39 PM ET (US) Yes Peter, I was in a transient slip on shore power. I made up a duplex receptical with a ground fault receptical that connects to a standard 30 amp shore power cord. This allowed me to run the AC unit, cabin fan,lights and coffee maker for the morning.
Clark Roberts	posted 02-12-2001 05:15 PM ET (US) See my comments on the 22 Revenge WT/WD with 225 optimax in the Post Classics section of this forum... I'm not surprised at this "hankering" for a 22R. My two cents worth: RE: the Walk through model.. In my opinion this is the best looking boat afloat! The lines, proportions and functionality leave me weak in the knees! And the cabin is really "generous" with the 7' bunks, stowage shelves and cubby holes... etc.. and the potti cover/table is ingenious, like Jim mentioned... blows me away! My favorite feature (aside from the walk-through windshield and clever slide-out steps/ladder) is the long bow rail leading to the pulpit.. right out of star wars!!! Can you tell I love the boat... I would have one at my dock but it draws just a tad too much water... my 21 Revenge with jack-plate gets the job done nicely... Happy Whalin'.. Clark... Spruce Creek Navy
Clark Roberts	posted 02-12-2001 05:20 PM ET (US) My comments are under "New 23 Conquest/Ed's New Thread".. Clark
jimh	posted 02-12-2001 11:06 PM ET (US) Dan, Don't be afraid to start the asking price higher if your 22 is in good shape. I don't think you will have any problem selling it. If I hadn't just bought this 20-WT I'd be driving to NY right now... The W.T. feature is very nice and the Mills canvas designed so that even with the flying top set you can walk through to the bow without having to duck your head too much to clear the canvas. This is another example of their good design and something you might not get with another brand or style of canvas.
SWarren	posted 02-13-2001 08:45 AM ET (US) My 22 revenge wt with bow pulpit has an alum frame with t-top. It is black canvas with a full enclosuer, the t-top has rocket launchers and a bright halagon light the lights up the deck. I have out lee outriggers mounted on it. While the alum frame is not standard whaler, it looks very good like it could have been an whaler option. The boat has a large boat feel with the draft and handeling of a smaller boat. If you can find one get on.
hardensheetmetal	posted 02-13-2001 09:40 AM ET (US) SWarren Can you post a picture I would love to see what the boat looks like with black canvas and the T-top Dan
SWarren	posted 02-13-2001 02:49 PM ET (US) Dan, I am working on getting one posted, I am not very good with the computer, as soon as I get it figured out I will send Jim one.