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Casey17 posted 03-22-2001 09:21 AM ET (US)
I have owned 7 whalers dating back to a 13' 1975. Have also owned an 11sport, 17newport,20'GTX(horrow show), 24 outrage and just bought the 26 outrage with twin Yammaha HPDIs. Every whaler, with the exception of the GTX, is better than the last. The new 26' outrage is fantastic and I compared it to the 26' regulator. Nice boat but the whaler is better. I think you guys need to lighten up on the new ones...they are great boats.
bigz posted 03-22-2001 11:13 AM ET (US)
Cassey17 welcome to the forum!
I might point out your statement isn't a very nice way to start posting --- this "topic" has been covered numerous times and frankly has become like a boring old "hat" since the vast majority of folks on this forum have no problems with current Whalers. It almost appears that you had to start your association by asserting your experience with Whalers and then justifying your purchase of a new 26 OR --- that really wasn't necessary yeah know! In general we for the most part only care that you are or want to be a Whaler owner new or old boat no difference.
Yes a few are critical comparing the old to new but hey that's what forums are for expressing opinions --- I might add that's all they are OPINIONS ---
As I said your more than welcome and your opinion is respected. Though I don't think anyone should "lighten" up on anything --- in a recent poll the site scored high on influencing folks in a positive way to purchase a new Whaler.
So if you would like to discuss the performance of your new one or ask for help or suggestions please do so --- glad your happy with the 26 OR they are very nice boats in my opinion ---
With your previous ownership's I believe you could be an asset when folks need questions answered or opinions expressed ---
Regards,
Tom

hooter posted 03-22-2001 11:50 AM ET (US)
Well boy howdy, sure glad to meetcha! Ah'm wid Z-Man. Right off da bat, firs ya tell us how smart ya is. Then ya tell us how wrongs we alls is. Ah could say ya soun jus lak anudder Ted Kennedy Massachoosits type yankee, but ahs won't say DAT. Plenty a good northern folks at dis place wid one big thing in common wif everbody else. Mebbe you could hop off da backside o' dat 26' into some cold deep watta and lighten up yo SELF! Once you climb back aboard an dry off an all, jus jump on into the fracas, ya heah? We'll be glad to have ya mor'n lakly.
Scalzo posted 03-22-2001 12:33 PM ET (US)
Just because I believe that all Whalers built after 1993 are evil and that Brunswick is secrectly trying to brainwash us in their quest to take over the world- doesn't mean I need to lighten up.
P.S. How did you get a new outrage with Yamahas? I've heard rumors of people "disapearing" after they put non-Brunswick outboards on their new Whalers. You should be careful!
Shadowcatcher posted 03-22-2001 01:16 PM ET (US)
Maybe it has something to do with this forum's name: Classic Whaler Forum!
Barry posted 03-22-2001 01:43 PM ET (US)
What specifically didn't you like about the 20' GTX? Just curious because I haven't read many negative comments on the classics.
Thanks,
Barry
george nagy posted 03-22-2001 01:55 PM ET (US)
I too would like to know what was wrong with the gtx. did you just not like it's bowrider like limitations, or was it an unreliable i/o problem? Well I like the 26 outrage I think it is cool. I would also like to post this question/ observation. The Classic Portion of this forum is more frequented than the neoclassic section. I think you might want to search there after all your brand new 26'is not a classic. Have a great time with your outrage just the same. I do have one question though. If still available would you have chosen a slightly lower priced 25' or 27'older style over your new style outrage? I've been wondering if some people who can buy a brand new whaler actually are a little disappointed with todays selection, I know I am!
whalernut posted 03-22-2001 07:25 PM ET (US)
Casey17, welcome to the Forum. I downright can`t stand the new Whalers for alot of reasons, but respect new Whaler owners, just as much as Classic owners. I guess alot of us do not like the new Whalers, because they look alot like alot of other boats out there, including the Sea Rays. At one time there was no mistaking a Whaler from another brand. I know me personally, I don`t like the White Gelcoat(do like the quality of the gelcoat). I don`t like the Euro-transoms, don`t like the rubrail, there is no more Teak trim, and the lack of liberability when ordering one from Brunswick. They dropped Mills Canvas, CML stainless, etc. I have talked to some dealers, and it seems Brunswick has lightened up on taking the boat with a Mercury engine only! Again welcome to the Forum and Lighten up yourself! Regards-Jack Graner.
dscew posted 03-22-2001 07:37 PM ET (US)
I have to admit some of the newer designs don't appeal to personally (like the Ventura), but I believe Brunswick is trying to answer market demands for different styles. They have to compete just like everyone else, and I don't think it's easy these days. I also can compare my 99 17 Standard to my 74 Katama, and the 99 rides better, albeit with a slight loss of lateral stability. I also like the wood and especially the rod holder box on the older gal. But the fit and finish of the new boat equals that of the Katama, and I'm happy with it. I'll be happier when I replace all of the starboard with mahogany, though! Just my $.02.
whalernut posted 03-22-2001 07:48 PM ET (US)
Ditto to the Latterall stablity differences and the ride in a chop. right on! And the Mahogany wood, I can relate with my 73` `16 Currituck. Regards-Jack Graner.
Dick posted 03-22-2001 08:16 PM ET (US)
No question about it nicely finished wood is beautiful on a boat.
I owned a classic mahogony Thompson a few years ago. Absolutely beautiful, but to many man hours to keep the wood up. I spent to many nice warm days with a varnish brush in my hand instead of on the water.
Now with my 99 Montauk it's just a wash and a quick coat of wax. Much more time available for boating now, it's the greatest boat I have ever owned.
Maerd posted 03-22-2001 10:08 PM ET (US)
You guys make me laugh every time I sign on. I read what Casey17 wrote and I immediately thought that it was a hoax. My guess is that he really is 17 yrs old and he and his friends are laughing like crazy. Now if we can get Greenspan to retire......... LOL
Ed Stone posted 03-22-2001 10:18 PM ET (US)
Hey Casey17,
I have looked at some 26 Outrages but never
been boating or fishing in any of them.I like
the layout of the leaning post and center
console.Also the sink and counter top down
in the center console.The 26 looks to be a
serious fishing boat.
Do you trailer or store the 26 at a marina?
Is it that much more of a whaler than the 24?
What size Yamahas are pushing her?
Lets hope our new Whalers stand the test
of time that most of the classics have.
Good luck with your Whaler!
Ed Stone
Casey17 posted 03-23-2001 09:28 AM ET (US)
Thanks for the responses..people here sure are serious about the classics! As I said, I enjoyed every one of the whalers I've owned (except GTX) and also carry that "whaler pride" as do all of you. To answer your question on the GTX, we purchased one of only 5 GTX (supposedly) with the MercCruiser I/O. There was a design flaw in the bilge which didn't kick on until the engine was getting wet. Also, the center section of the windshield (door) kept crashing in below the other 2 sections making it impossible to fix without two screwdrivers and two people prying. We had the boat for 3 years and were happy to get $4000 for it. My new 26', we asked the dealer to order it w/o power and they powered it up there with twin HPDI 200s.
Sorry to cause such a racus. I do enjoy the site.
hauptjm posted 03-23-2001 09:55 AM ET (US)
Maybe one way to "bridge the gap" between new and old, is to include more visuals. Cetacea is sorely lacking in pictures of some of the newer craft. I'm sure there are newer Whalers out there that have been modified. We all do it to some extent with our Classics. I would love to see a 90's Outrage with teak trim and such. Come on dscew, let's see some pictures of the that starboard replacement. Casey17, you do the same. Someone that has owned Classics in the past is well qualified to "dress" any Whaler. In another vein, I was surfing the Hinckley Yachts web site the other day, and think I found the company that we all wished had bought Whaler. I have sailed on and been around Hinckley's all of my life, and let me tell you, they are the classic, high quality yacht.
jimh posted 03-24-2001 05:56 PM ET (US)
As far as seeing newer boats in CETACEA, for the most part I just post what gets sent in. Owners of newer boats have not sent many pictures.
In fact, I have probably posted just about every picture of a newer Whaler that has been sent in, even though some of them have not really been what I would say (as the Photo-Editor) "top notch" pictures.
I don't see too much sense in just posting shots of very recent stock boats. You can see them in the catalogue. On the other hand, if someone has a nicely set up boat, I'd love to see it and I'd be glad to post it.
--jimh

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Author	Topic: Why the hostility towards new whalers?
Casey17	posted 03-22-2001 09:21 AM ET (US) I have owned 7 whalers dating back to a 13' 1975. Have also owned an 11sport, 17newport,20'GTX(horrow show), 24 outrage and just bought the 26 outrage with twin Yammaha HPDIs. Every whaler, with the exception of the GTX, is better than the last. The new 26' outrage is fantastic and I compared it to the 26' regulator. Nice boat but the whaler is better. I think you guys need to lighten up on the new ones...they are great boats.
bigz	posted 03-22-2001 11:13 AM ET (US) Cassey17 welcome to the forum! I might point out your statement isn't a very nice way to start posting --- this "topic" has been covered numerous times and frankly has become like a boring old "hat" since the vast majority of folks on this forum have no problems with current Whalers. It almost appears that you had to start your association by asserting your experience with Whalers and then justifying your purchase of a new 26 OR --- that really wasn't necessary yeah know! In general we for the most part only care that you are or want to be a Whaler owner new or old boat no difference. Yes a few are critical comparing the old to new but hey that's what forums are for expressing opinions --- I might add that's all they are OPINIONS --- As I said your more than welcome and your opinion is respected. Though I don't think anyone should "lighten" up on anything --- in a recent poll the site scored high on influencing folks in a positive way to purchase a new Whaler. So if you would like to discuss the performance of your new one or ask for help or suggestions please do so --- glad your happy with the 26 OR they are very nice boats in my opinion --- With your previous ownership's I believe you could be an asset when folks need questions answered or opinions expressed --- Regards, Tom
hooter	posted 03-22-2001 11:50 AM ET (US) Well boy howdy, sure glad to meetcha! Ah'm wid Z-Man. Right off da bat, firs ya tell us how smart ya is. Then ya tell us how wrongs we alls is. Ah could say ya soun jus lak anudder Ted Kennedy Massachoosits type yankee, but ahs won't say DAT. Plenty a good northern folks at dis place wid one big thing in common wif everbody else. Mebbe you could hop off da backside o' dat 26' into some cold deep watta and lighten up yo SELF! Once you climb back aboard an dry off an all, jus jump on into the fracas, ya heah? We'll be glad to have ya mor'n lakly.
Scalzo	posted 03-22-2001 12:33 PM ET (US) Just because I believe that all Whalers built after 1993 are evil and that Brunswick is secrectly trying to brainwash us in their quest to take over the world- doesn't mean I need to lighten up. P.S. How did you get a new outrage with Yamahas? I've heard rumors of people "disapearing" after they put non-Brunswick outboards on their new Whalers. You should be careful!
Shadowcatcher	posted 03-22-2001 01:16 PM ET (US) Maybe it has something to do with this forum's name: Classic Whaler Forum!
Barry	posted 03-22-2001 01:43 PM ET (US) What specifically didn't you like about the 20' GTX? Just curious because I haven't read many negative comments on the classics. Thanks, Barry
george nagy	posted 03-22-2001 01:55 PM ET (US) I too would like to know what was wrong with the gtx. did you just not like it's bowrider like limitations, or was it an unreliable i/o problem? Well I like the 26 outrage I think it is cool. I would also like to post this question/ observation. The Classic Portion of this forum is more frequented than the neoclassic section. I think you might want to search there after all your brand new 26'is not a classic. Have a great time with your outrage just the same. I do have one question though. If still available would you have chosen a slightly lower priced 25' or 27'older style over your new style outrage? I've been wondering if some people who can buy a brand new whaler actually are a little disappointed with todays selection, I know I am!
whalernut	posted 03-22-2001 07:25 PM ET (US) Casey17, welcome to the Forum. I downright can`t stand the new Whalers for alot of reasons, but respect new Whaler owners, just as much as Classic owners. I guess alot of us do not like the new Whalers, because they look alot like alot of other boats out there, including the Sea Rays. At one time there was no mistaking a Whaler from another brand. I know me personally, I don`t like the White Gelcoat(do like the quality of the gelcoat). I don`t like the Euro-transoms, don`t like the rubrail, there is no more Teak trim, and the lack of liberability when ordering one from Brunswick. They dropped Mills Canvas, CML stainless, etc. I have talked to some dealers, and it seems Brunswick has lightened up on taking the boat with a Mercury engine only! Again welcome to the Forum and Lighten up yourself! Regards-Jack Graner.
dscew	posted 03-22-2001 07:37 PM ET (US) I have to admit some of the newer designs don't appeal to personally (like the Ventura), but I believe Brunswick is trying to answer market demands for different styles. They have to compete just like everyone else, and I don't think it's easy these days. I also can compare my 99 17 Standard to my 74 Katama, and the 99 rides better, albeit with a slight loss of lateral stability. I also like the wood and especially the rod holder box on the older gal. But the fit and finish of the new boat equals that of the Katama, and I'm happy with it. I'll be happier when I replace all of the starboard with mahogany, though! Just my $.02.
whalernut	posted 03-22-2001 07:48 PM ET (US) Ditto to the Latterall stablity differences and the ride in a chop. right on! And the Mahogany wood, I can relate with my 73` `16 Currituck. Regards-Jack Graner.
Dick	posted 03-22-2001 08:16 PM ET (US) No question about it nicely finished wood is beautiful on a boat. I owned a classic mahogony Thompson a few years ago. Absolutely beautiful, but to many man hours to keep the wood up. I spent to many nice warm days with a varnish brush in my hand instead of on the water. Now with my 99 Montauk it's just a wash and a quick coat of wax. Much more time available for boating now, it's the greatest boat I have ever owned.
Maerd	posted 03-22-2001 10:08 PM ET (US) You guys make me laugh every time I sign on. I read what Casey17 wrote and I immediately thought that it was a hoax. My guess is that he really is 17 yrs old and he and his friends are laughing like crazy. Now if we can get Greenspan to retire......... LOL
Ed Stone	posted 03-22-2001 10:18 PM ET (US) Hey Casey17, I have looked at some 26 Outrages but never been boating or fishing in any of them.I like the layout of the leaning post and center console.Also the sink and counter top down in the center console.The 26 looks to be a serious fishing boat. Do you trailer or store the 26 at a marina? Is it that much more of a whaler than the 24? What size Yamahas are pushing her? Lets hope our new Whalers stand the test of time that most of the classics have. Good luck with your Whaler! Ed Stone
Casey17	posted 03-23-2001 09:28 AM ET (US) Thanks for the responses..people here sure are serious about the classics! As I said, I enjoyed every one of the whalers I've owned (except GTX) and also carry that "whaler pride" as do all of you. To answer your question on the GTX, we purchased one of only 5 GTX (supposedly) with the MercCruiser I/O. There was a design flaw in the bilge which didn't kick on until the engine was getting wet. Also, the center section of the windshield (door) kept crashing in below the other 2 sections making it impossible to fix without two screwdrivers and two people prying. We had the boat for 3 years and were happy to get $4000 for it. My new 26', we asked the dealer to order it w/o power and they powered it up there with twin HPDI 200s. Sorry to cause such a racus. I do enjoy the site.
hauptjm	posted 03-23-2001 09:55 AM ET (US) Maybe one way to "bridge the gap" between new and old, is to include more visuals. Cetacea is sorely lacking in pictures of some of the newer craft. I'm sure there are newer Whalers out there that have been modified. We all do it to some extent with our Classics. I would love to see a 90's Outrage with teak trim and such. Come on dscew, let's see some pictures of the that starboard replacement. Casey17, you do the same. Someone that has owned Classics in the past is well qualified to "dress" any Whaler. In another vein, I was surfing the Hinckley Yachts web site the other day, and think I found the company that we all wished had bought Whaler. I have sailed on and been around Hinckley's all of my life, and let me tell you, they are the classic, high quality yacht.
jimh	posted 03-24-2001 05:56 PM ET (US) As far as seeing newer boats in CETACEA, for the most part I just post what gets sent in. Owners of newer boats have not sent many pictures. In fact, I have probably posted just about every picture of a newer Whaler that has been sent in, even though some of them have not really been what I would say (as the Photo-Editor) "top notch" pictures. I don't see too much sense in just posting shots of very recent stock boats. You can see them in the catalogue. On the other hand, if someone has a nicely set up boat, I'd love to see it and I'd be glad to post it. --jimh