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Newbie18 posted 05-16-2001 05:17 PM ET (US)
I recently read through some information about Logic boats. They claim to be indestrucable and will still float after being cut in half(like whalers) and then can be welded back together. I was wondering if anybody has heard much about these(good or bad)
Thanks

where2 posted 05-16-2001 07:08 PM ET (US)
Intereting boats. You really should look at one at a show somewhere. They sell little sticks of boat material that you can heat with a propane torch or something to mend nicks/scrapes in the hull. Early on, they would hand you a metal faced 2-4lbs hammer and let you whack the boat. Their slogan at that time was: Try this with our competition. It's really the same material that a plastic milk jug or bleach bottle is made of.
Personally, I'll stick to my whaler, but if I had young kids who were likely to hit the dock or pilings or rocks, a Logic would be the boat of choice.
"Where2" (off the whaler topic, I know...)
JB posted 05-16-2001 07:13 PM ET (US)
I was facinated by Logic two years ago. The things are made of "ropaline" or some such - a polyethelene type plastic that is rotomolded. The drawbacks were that the dealers in my area had their heads up their butts including misspelled and non-existant addresses. I tried numerous times to contact both Logic and the local dealers and never heard back. I figured if their sales network was that bad, what could I expect in future support. All in all, I think the hull concept is a great one and their prices are right...
caddis posted 05-16-2001 07:15 PM ET (US)
Try this site for one Logic customer's tale:
http://boatered.com/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=1&CAT_ID=1&Forum_Title=Ask+the+Captain
Scroll down to the Logic Marine thread.
CDN posted 05-16-2001 11:26 PM ET (US)
I tested out a small 2000 12' Logic Riot last fall, with 2000 25hp Johnson. It was poorly finished, and could not get up on plan without randomly pulling to port OR starbard. Would run fine at displacement speeds. Tried setting manual trim at every setting with same results. Also gave an extremely wet ride, even with no wind.
Some was really wrong. The dealer who was on shore really baffled. Upon inspection after pulling it out of the water, the dealer found a hook in the hull Wanted to grind it off. Really goofy. The dealer also called Logic's tech support, and was told to send it back.
It was clear they had some quality problems. With these other postings, it just confirms my impressions.
jimh posted 05-17-2001 12:58 AM ET (US)
When I was in Florida in February I stopped in at a couple of dealers to snoop around. One had a LOGIC center console, about an 18-footer I think.
The boat was only a yearor so old. It was just sold (as a used boat) to a customer. I could hardly believe anyone would have bought it!
Most of the screws in the cockpit floor had backed themseleves out and the heads were above the level of the floor by as much as an eighth of an inch. Great toe rippers they'd be.
The sides of the boat had huge ripples and waves in the hull, as much as two inches of variation. This was not some subtle thing you might see by sighting down the side of the hull with the light hitting just right--it was completely obvious.
To make things even stranger, the boat had an early Ficht outboard. This was right after the announcement of bankruptcy and before the auction/buyout by Bombardier. The engine was really in limbo.
To my complete amazement, the boat had a SOLD sign on it, and the salesman who came out to meet me as I walked around told me he had just sold it the day before.
--jimh
masbama posted 05-17-2001 11:14 AM ET (US)
My good friend bought the 18' cool bay at the boat show. After waiting 6 weeks it came and we took it out for a trial run. Well, not an hour into the day we noticed water coming in from the side scuppers. We plugged them with popping corks thinking we fixed the problem. The boat was sitting low in the water causing the water to come in. After we put it on the trailer we pulled the plug and and water came out for a good fifteen minutes. Scary. This boat had design flaws in its hull set up. He is awating a new hull that they say should fix the problem. We'll see.
Newbie18 posted 05-17-2001 07:02 PM ET (US)
I went to look at a 21 footer today and was not pleased with the craftmanship at all. As earlier mentioned the runners on the bottom of the hull were no where near straight. I like the large amount of under-deck storage though. Also I dont like the "soft" feel the boat has when you walk on it, I definately prefer Whalers.
scott Krause posted 09-07-2007 09:24 PM ET (US)
Every boat has there flaws. I have not met anyone who thought they did not have the perfect boat. Upon owning a boat what ever model or make you choose you will most likely tell people it was the greatest thing while they owned it. Well after changing boats what you thought was the best turns out not to be the best.This is true with many things. It is all personal preference.I have been in the marine industry for over 25 years and hear it all.I have owned MANY boats through then years...The LOGIC boats like any other I am sure have there faults. I do have one which is a 16' model. The hull is straight and a nice finish. It is tough, much tougher than fiberglass.It is a durable and low maintains boat which hold up to much abuse that fiberglass would not even come close to. But if you are careful and not abusive with what you own anything will last.....
sweetrevenge posted 09-10-2007 12:21 AM ET (US)
the company has changed its name to Triumph boats.. you can watch a movie clip of one being dropped from a hundred feet by a chopper. It also shows how there made. My cousin has a 21' Logic... very nice boat.
acassidy posted 09-10-2007 07:35 AM ET (US)
Too me these boat have a warped look and even when new always looks dirty. I think over time this material does not hold its shape like fiberglass. Maybe the sun warps it or something.
tombro posted 09-11-2007 07:42 AM ET (US)
I briefly thought about one about 6 years ago, but felt it might warp in the sun. Waited a couple of years, bought a 150 Sport. Wise choice, that was.

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Newbie18	posted 05-16-2001 05:17 PM ET (US) I recently read through some information about Logic boats. They claim to be indestrucable and will still float after being cut in half(like whalers) and then can be welded back together. I was wondering if anybody has heard much about these(good or bad) Thanks
where2	posted 05-16-2001 07:08 PM ET (US) Intereting boats. You really should look at one at a show somewhere. They sell little sticks of boat material that you can heat with a propane torch or something to mend nicks/scrapes in the hull. Early on, they would hand you a metal faced 2-4lbs hammer and let you whack the boat. Their slogan at that time was: Try this with our competition. It's really the same material that a plastic milk jug or bleach bottle is made of. Personally, I'll stick to my whaler, but if I had young kids who were likely to hit the dock or pilings or rocks, a Logic would be the boat of choice. "Where2" (off the whaler topic, I know...)
JB	posted 05-16-2001 07:13 PM ET (US) I was facinated by Logic two years ago. The things are made of "ropaline" or some such - a polyethelene type plastic that is rotomolded. The drawbacks were that the dealers in my area had their heads up their butts including misspelled and non-existant addresses. I tried numerous times to contact both Logic and the local dealers and never heard back. I figured if their sales network was that bad, what could I expect in future support. All in all, I think the hull concept is a great one and their prices are right...
caddis	posted 05-16-2001 07:15 PM ET (US) Try this site for one Logic customer's tale: http://boatered.com/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=1&CAT_ID=1&Forum_Title=Ask+the+Captain Scroll down to the Logic Marine thread.
CDN	posted 05-16-2001 11:26 PM ET (US) I tested out a small 2000 12' Logic Riot last fall, with 2000 25hp Johnson. It was poorly finished, and could not get up on plan without randomly pulling to port OR starbard. Would run fine at displacement speeds. Tried setting manual trim at every setting with same results. Also gave an extremely wet ride, even with no wind. Some was really wrong. The dealer who was on shore really baffled. Upon inspection after pulling it out of the water, the dealer found a hook in the hull Wanted to grind it off. Really goofy. The dealer also called Logic's tech support, and was told to send it back. It was clear they had some quality problems. With these other postings, it just confirms my impressions.
jimh	posted 05-17-2001 12:58 AM ET (US) When I was in Florida in February I stopped in at a couple of dealers to snoop around. One had a LOGIC center console, about an 18-footer I think. The boat was only a yearor so old. It was just sold (as a used boat) to a customer. I could hardly believe anyone would have bought it! Most of the screws in the cockpit floor had backed themseleves out and the heads were above the level of the floor by as much as an eighth of an inch. Great toe rippers they'd be. The sides of the boat had huge ripples and waves in the hull, as much as two inches of variation. This was not some subtle thing you might see by sighting down the side of the hull with the light hitting just right--it was completely obvious. To make things even stranger, the boat had an early Ficht outboard. This was right after the announcement of bankruptcy and before the auction/buyout by Bombardier. The engine was really in limbo. To my complete amazement, the boat had a SOLD sign on it, and the salesman who came out to meet me as I walked around told me he had just sold it the day before. --jimh
masbama	posted 05-17-2001 11:14 AM ET (US) My good friend bought the 18' cool bay at the boat show. After waiting 6 weeks it came and we took it out for a trial run. Well, not an hour into the day we noticed water coming in from the side scuppers. We plugged them with popping corks thinking we fixed the problem. The boat was sitting low in the water causing the water to come in. After we put it on the trailer we pulled the plug and and water came out for a good fifteen minutes. Scary. This boat had design flaws in its hull set up. He is awating a new hull that they say should fix the problem. We'll see.
Newbie18	posted 05-17-2001 07:02 PM ET (US) I went to look at a 21 footer today and was not pleased with the craftmanship at all. As earlier mentioned the runners on the bottom of the hull were no where near straight. I like the large amount of under-deck storage though. Also I dont like the "soft" feel the boat has when you walk on it, I definately prefer Whalers.
scott Krause	posted 09-07-2007 09:24 PM ET (US) Every boat has there flaws. I have not met anyone who thought they did not have the perfect boat. Upon owning a boat what ever model or make you choose you will most likely tell people it was the greatest thing while they owned it. Well after changing boats what you thought was the best turns out not to be the best.This is true with many things. It is all personal preference.I have been in the marine industry for over 25 years and hear it all.I have owned MANY boats through then years...The LOGIC boats like any other I am sure have there faults. I do have one which is a 16' model. The hull is straight and a nice finish. It is tough, much tougher than fiberglass.It is a durable and low maintains boat which hold up to much abuse that fiberglass would not even come close to. But if you are careful and not abusive with what you own anything will last.....
sweetrevenge	posted 09-10-2007 12:21 AM ET (US) the company has changed its name to Triumph boats.. you can watch a movie clip of one being dropped from a hundred feet by a chopper. It also shows how there made. My cousin has a 21' Logic... very nice boat.
acassidy	posted 09-10-2007 07:35 AM ET (US) Too me these boat have a warped look and even when new always looks dirty. I think over time this material does not hold its shape like fiberglass. Maybe the sun warps it or something.
tombro	posted 09-11-2007 07:42 AM ET (US) I briefly thought about one about 6 years ago, but felt it might warp in the sun. Waited a couple of years, bought a 150 Sport. Wise choice, that was.