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johnk posted 05-22-2001 04:18 PM ET (US)
Has anyone heard anything about Yamaha's new 2002 offerings? Just wondering if they might offer their HPDI technology in something larger than 200hp. I would be hopeful that they would extend technology to their 225/250 engine line.
I heard rumors a year or so ago about a 275/300 motor. Wouldn't a 300hp HPDI be sweet???
as always, thanks
john
Tom W Clark posted 05-23-2001 09:49 AM ET (US)
The only thing I've heard relates to Yamaha's 225 four stroke. Terry McCartney, who runs Jacobsen's Marine here in Seattle (they used to be the world's largest Whaler dealer before switching to Grady White) told me the 225 four stroke will be introduced next month, so I guess if it shows up by June 30th he will be accurate. When I talked with Terry about two weeks ago he said they hadn't set the price yet, but he suspected it will be about $15K.
johnk posted 05-23-2001 01:30 PM ET (US)
I wonder how much a 225 4-stroke would weigh, and whether it's performance would be on par with the new 2001 225 OX66 I currently have.
As I recall the 2-stroke OX66 lists for about $13,500 or so. If they could keep the 4-stroke at a price point of ~$15k, the return on the additional investment would be pretty quick..
Even though this motor is new (25 hours), if I could pick up a 4-stoke with the same performance potential, but better economy, no oil to buy, and quieter, I'd sell this one and buy the new motor... Actually thought about the same thing if they were to offer a 250 HPDI.
thanks, and let us know more when you hear anything...
john
Tom W Clark posted 05-23-2001 05:34 PM ET (US)
I asked Terry about the weight as I imagined a 225 four stroke would weight a ton and he said it would not weight that much more, perhaps less than 100 pounds extra. I think he said 80 pounds but that's just my memory and he could be wrong as well. I find it hard to believe myself.
We also talked about the relative power of four strokes to two strokes. Terry told me that Yamaha makes both a 115 two stroke and a 115 four stroke and the four stroke out performs the two stroke in all areas. Better top speed, better acceleration, and, of course, better fuel mileage. He said he suspects the 115 four stroke is putting out quite a bit more than 115 hp.
lhg posted 05-23-2001 09:39 PM ET (US)
Changing the subject slightly, I recently was killing time at an airport newstand, looking at the latest "boat rags". There was an article on "we test 4 115HP four strokes".
Well we all know how these tests are, since each manufacturer is an advertizing customer, they say good and bad things about each, and give no opinion as which is best. But here are a few things they reported:
The Honda was the heaviest, slowest and got the worst gas mileage. But had the smoothest idle. Also the most expensive to buy.
The Yamaha was the fastest, but had a rough idle. (same powerhead as the Merc)
The Mercury had the best gas mileage, was the second fastest by only 1/2 MPH, was the lightest in weight, also had the rough idle, and had the best price. (same powerhead as the Yamaha). The improved mileage over the Yamaha was because of a better exhaust scavanging system.
The Suzuki was considered pretty good all around, with smooth idle, good power and moderate cost and weight, but was not first, nor last, in any category.
Reading between the lines, I think they liked the Suzuki the best and the Honda the worst.

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Author	Topic: Anyone with 2002 Yamaha info?
johnk	posted 05-22-2001 04:18 PM ET (US) Has anyone heard anything about Yamaha's new 2002 offerings? Just wondering if they might offer their HPDI technology in something larger than 200hp. I would be hopeful that they would extend technology to their 225/250 engine line. I heard rumors a year or so ago about a 275/300 motor. Wouldn't a 300hp HPDI be sweet??? as always, thanks john
Tom W Clark	posted 05-23-2001 09:49 AM ET (US) The only thing I've heard relates to Yamaha's 225 four stroke. Terry McCartney, who runs Jacobsen's Marine here in Seattle (they used to be the world's largest Whaler dealer before switching to Grady White) told me the 225 four stroke will be introduced next month, so I guess if it shows up by June 30th he will be accurate. When I talked with Terry about two weeks ago he said they hadn't set the price yet, but he suspected it will be about $15K.
johnk	posted 05-23-2001 01:30 PM ET (US) I wonder how much a 225 4-stroke would weigh, and whether it's performance would be on par with the new 2001 225 OX66 I currently have. As I recall the 2-stroke OX66 lists for about $13,500 or so. If they could keep the 4-stroke at a price point of ~$15k, the return on the additional investment would be pretty quick.. Even though this motor is new (25 hours), if I could pick up a 4-stoke with the same performance potential, but better economy, no oil to buy, and quieter, I'd sell this one and buy the new motor... Actually thought about the same thing if they were to offer a 250 HPDI. thanks, and let us know more when you hear anything... john
Tom W Clark	posted 05-23-2001 05:34 PM ET (US) I asked Terry about the weight as I imagined a 225 four stroke would weight a ton and he said it would not weight that much more, perhaps less than 100 pounds extra. I think he said 80 pounds but that's just my memory and he could be wrong as well. I find it hard to believe myself. We also talked about the relative power of four strokes to two strokes. Terry told me that Yamaha makes both a 115 two stroke and a 115 four stroke and the four stroke out performs the two stroke in all areas. Better top speed, better acceleration, and, of course, better fuel mileage. He said he suspects the 115 four stroke is putting out quite a bit more than 115 hp.
lhg	posted 05-23-2001 09:39 PM ET (US) Changing the subject slightly, I recently was killing time at an airport newstand, looking at the latest "boat rags". There was an article on "we test 4 115HP four strokes". Well we all know how these tests are, since each manufacturer is an advertizing customer, they say good and bad things about each, and give no opinion as which is best. But here are a few things they reported: The Honda was the heaviest, slowest and got the worst gas mileage. But had the smoothest idle. Also the most expensive to buy. The Yamaha was the fastest, but had a rough idle. (same powerhead as the Merc) The Mercury had the best gas mileage, was the second fastest by only 1/2 MPH, was the lightest in weight, also had the rough idle, and had the best price. (same powerhead as the Yamaha). The improved mileage over the Yamaha was because of a better exhaust scavanging system. The Suzuki was considered pretty good all around, with smooth idle, good power and moderate cost and weight, but was not first, nor last, in any category. Reading between the lines, I think they liked the Suzuki the best and the Honda the worst.