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Kelly posted 07-18-2001 12:37 PM ET (US)   Profile for Kelly   Send Email to Kelly  
I have only had the opportunity to dream about both of these boats. For those that have had the experience of owning or using one of these first hand, I would be interested in your comments comparing the two configurations. It seems that the Outrages come up alot, but I don't seem to see that many comments about the Revenge. Kelly
njwhalerman posted 07-18-2001 01:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for njwhalerman  Send Email to njwhalerman     
Kelly, I have been a whaler owner since 1968. Started w/13, moved to a 16 Eastport, to the 21 Outrage, and presently a 22 Revenge Cutty. I m presently looking at a 25 Outrage CC I/O. I have enjoyed all the whalers for the time when I owned them and looked forward to upgrading. The Revenge I now have is a dry, smooth running boat, my only drawback is the lost space w/ the cutty, as it is not a w/a. I think you will enjoy whatever whaler you choose.
TampaTom posted 07-18-2001 03:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for TampaTom  Send Email to TampaTom     
FYI. There is a 87 22' Boston Whaler W/A cuddy, fresh water cooled I/O for sale in the Tampa Tribune for $12,900
Ray posted 07-18-2001 06:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ray  Send Email to Ray     
I owned a '73 outrage 21footer for 23 years and replaced it with a 25' revenge. The big difference is in the weather protection up here in Michigan. As one gets older you appreciate creature comforts more and more. For Georgia I wouldn't hesitate to go with the outrage.
lhg posted 07-18-2001 07:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
When I decided to purchase a new 25 footer, I had to make that decision, and did tons of research before buying the Outrage. First, even with a hardtop cabin, there is not too much difference in weather protection with either model. For a standing pilot, there is no difference, as the Revenge windshield is quite low. It is the Mills Canvas systems for both that provide the REAL weather protection, and both are about equal and almost a necessity, with the advantage going to the Outrage, since a flying top aft curtain is available for the Outrage, completely enclosing the boat.

The issues are these, as far as I can tell:

1. If you want a permanent "hard shell" cabin, either for overnighting or having a lockable (but marginal real security) storage space, you want a Revenge. The downside is that the bow of the boat goes to waste most of the time while underway.

2. If you like the feel of an "automotive" style enclosure around you as you sit and ride, you want a Revenge.

3. If you want a lighter weight boat, less bow heavy, and a more open feel when riding, you want an Outrage.

4. If you want a more flexible use of space, including a large open bow deck, you want an Outrage. This depends on the climate types where the boat will be used.

5. If offshore fishing is a big interest, you probably want an Outrage, although a Revenge can work here, too.

6. If there is woman in your life who has agreed to sleep on the boat, but insists on a hard roof over her head, you must have a Revenge. If you're not going to sleep on the boat at all, you want an Outrage.

This being said, here are a few of my conclusions favoring the purchase of an Outrage over a Revenge.

1. Less weight, better running attitude because of a lighter bow.
2. More flexible, multi-purpose uses, especially if the full Mills canvas is installed.
3. For overnighting aboard, the OUTRAGE has a bigger, much higher cabin, under the Mills Forward Shelter. A so called "convertible" style boat. Headroom in a Revenge cabin is low, but not so under the Forward shelter. The Outrage actually has more convenient and large sleeping space. Most don't realize this.
4. the Outrage is a better fair weather boat, with a lot of open space for people to lounge around in the sun & enjoy the sights.
5. the Outrage is easier to handle at the dock and while anchoring, with it's open bow.
One person can do it.
6. the Outrage center console design has more space for instruments and electronics.
The Revenges come up a little short here, unless you want to scatter stuff across the top of the "dashboard".

That being said, it gets down to design looks. I like them both, but have never been sorry I opted for the more multi-purpose uses of the Outrage.

jimh posted 07-18-2001 09:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Larry has provided an excellent comparison between the Outrage and Revenge models.

One thing to realize, the hull and liner moldings are the same on these boats. The Revenge adds more structure and more weight to the boat by the addition of several large laminated/molded overlays which form the forward deck and the companionway. This means that for a given size hull, the Revenge model will always weigh more, will always have a bit more pitching motion, will roll a bit more, etc. There is just more weight and it is distributed farther from the center of resistance of the hull form.

Esthetically, I think the Revenge will also suffer slightly, as the top molding disturbs the wonderful shear line and other beautiful curves of the Whaler hull.

Now, that said, let me tell you a few things about the Revenge to like!

First, the notion of the "cabin" is very appealing. It's a place you can throw you gear and it's out of sight. You can bunk down and feel quite cozy. I think there is something in the boater's DNA that says, "Here is a cozy little cabin--what a nice place to sleep!" There is a sense of security about it; you're not going to get wet if it rains, etc.

Now the actual space and headroom are likely bigger with the Outrage and forward shelter than on the Revenge, but I think there is more of a "tent" feel to it. (Larry may disagree.)

We also love the "companionway". It reminds us of our sailboat, the sliding hatch and teak doors almost the exact duplicate of what we were so acustomed to with our sailboat.

The center helm position on the Outrage is an advantage, but I find I can stand on the Revenge centerline and still handle the steering quite nicely. It is also easier to see forward through the center section of the glasss windshield than the side sections.

Larry is completely correct when he says that both boats need the Mills Canvas options to make them comfortable. Even in warm weather and fair skies, we found we kept the Flying Top, the Windshield, AND the Side Curtains up for a week of cruising.

The fixed windshield is a very nice thing to have on the Revenge. If there is rain, you can have wipers, and even without wipers the vision through the windshield glass is better than through the clear plastic of the curtains/windshield canvas.

We don't (at the moment) do any fishing, so we don't find the Revenge a drawback.

With the very low water on the Great Lakes, we find the forward deck very nice to use for boarding or leaving the boat. The height of the deck on most docks on the Great Lakes is about five feet above the current level of the water, so climbing out of the cockpit is a chore. Stepping up from the deck of the Revenge's bow is much easier.

There is also the question of storage. There are spaces on the Outrage available for storage that get used up on the Revenge as part of the cabin. But on the other hand, in the Outrage you often have to make up and put away the accommodations under the Forward Shelter, whereas on the Revenge we can leave most of the cabin "as-is" when we get underway. We do generally remove the Vee-berth filler and roll up the bedding, but we don't stow our duffels and other gear; they just stay on the bunks or get moved to the floor if we expect some rough weather.

The one final thing I will mention is that on a Revenge it is possible to have a Porta-Potti below in the cabin and for it to be used in complete privacy when the hatch and companionway doors are closed. (The Porta-Potti was the first piece of gear we removed, by the way. Who wants to sleep in the toilet?)

For our intended use, which is over-nighting on 3-6 day cruises on the Great Lakes, we find the Revenge very well suited. If we were planning on having a day-boat in a more southern lattitude, we would reconsider.

Bigshot posted 07-19-2001 10:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Man you two have a lot of time on your hands.

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