Outrage 27 Cuddy - Moderated Discussion Areas

  ContinuousWave
  Whaler
  Moderated Discussion Areas
  ContinuousWave: The Whaler GAM or General Area
  Outrage 27 Cuddy

search | FAQ | profile | register | author help

Author Topic:   Outrage 27 Cuddy

Whaletosh posted 07-27-2001 04:52 PM ET (US)
In South Haven, MI I spotted a large 27' Whaler named "Dolphin Rider". It had a center console, a small cabin up front, and two fairly new Evinrude 225s on it.
Would this have been an Outrage 27 Cuddy, similar to BigZ's?
Was it gourgeous!
Sean
bigz posted 07-28-2001 09:40 AM ET (US)
Sean, there was never a "27" Outrage just to set the record straight! Yes, if she was a 27 ccc would be similar to ours depending on that years refinements, the hulls are the same. Excellent built and handling boats. Cost a bit to maintain though!

The 27's which I believe were first introduced in '83 or '84 (they usually start production in the summer for following year) came originally in three configurations with a couple of different power optional arrangements.

The 27 center console cuddy, with either a standard outboard transom or a full transom with OMC Sea Drives, this power option held through to the other ones which were a 27 cuddy (forward helm, raised fore deck similar to the Revenge), the 27 full cabin included a full head with shower, and a galley. Then when the Whaler drive was introduced the Sea Drive was discontinued (think OMC dumped it about the same time) and slight modifications were done as refinements to these originals. Then a 27 Walk Around was added in I think maybe '89 or '90 just before Mr. D was asked to leave, this had a full walk around way to the bow surrounding the cabin which had a similar layout as the original full cabin model with a full transom and Whaler drive. Depending on the options/configurations the list prices back throughout the eighties ranged from $45,000 to $70,000 less power.

More info than you ever wanted to know.

PS. LHG yes the SSM bracket is structurally incorporated to the hull with stingers running from the bracket into the stern bilge area with a thin bulk head separating the areas, the overlay is bolted to the transom and screwed to the bracket internal stringers which lead into the main hull with a thin bulk head surrounding them.

The 27 WA then was redesigned in '91 by Mr. Peter VanL and team, incorporated a specialty designed bracket made by Salt Shaker Marine which actually was part of the hull with an overlay deck that incorporated it with the stern cockpit area separated by a bait station and a walk through door. The cabin and helm were redesigned so that a double amidships berth could be added for family weekend cruising and fishing giving her the ability to sleep 4 (see these two configurations in the photo section showing both the early WA and the '91 WA-- Italian based one --- like the one we now own). This one had a list price close to $90,000 less power and for the most part came fully equipped, there were a few factory options that could push the price over $100,000 like an electric windlass, hardtop, canvas etc.

To accommodate the "fishing" crowd a 27 Offshore was introduced, this one was built all the way up to '99 only offered in a outboard version with cut out transom. It has a center helm station encompassing a companion way to a small under deck cuddy with head. The list on this again was in the $90,000 range.

The 27 Mr.D hull still survives today in the commercial division as the 27' Vigilant, this of course can be purchased with all types of options depending on need for commercial or military use.

Might note that I heard from a few BW folks that they believe this was the finest hull Mr. D designed even heard that he also thought it was too. Who really knows for sure ---
Whaletosh posted 07-30-2001 08:21 AM ET (US)
z,
Dolphin rider has a full transom, with the motors mounted on a bracket. It is a great looking boat. Thanks for the information.
lhg posted 08-07-2001 06:47 PM ET (US)
Tom: Believe it or not, in it's last year, 1990, the 27 CC Cuddy was renamed an Outrage 27!
Translation posted 08-08-2001 09:52 AM ET (US)
the 27 was the best whaler hull ever, besides the Montauk. Different animals, but each is arguably the leader in its class......
I've been on all the transom configurations of the 27 and I think the best riding boat was the regular cut transom.
When discussing boat purchases with friends I consistently steer them to used 27's - buy it for $45,000, repower it, clean it up and put new electronics in it......If you spend another $45,000, you have a boat that beats any boat that prices out at $100 + brand new. Unless you are looking for rugs and a wet bar and a staircase that goes into the water.... (Do I sound biased?)
lhg posted 08-08-2001 01:58 PM ET (US)
I would agree with Translation. The new 28's don't compare, and weigh too much. Glorified SeaRays.
bigz posted 08-09-2001 12:53 PM ET (US)
Well Larry, I did find a reference to an Outrage "27" put couldn't place the year/s.
A fellow emailed about an '88 being an Outrage 27 that's when I looked over a few other accumulated resources and found it.
So you say only '90, hmm must have been marketing trying to jump start the cc cuddy again placing it in the Outrage line where it might-a should-a have been in the first place!
Hey Translation I've got a '87 for sale, ccc with standard OB transom. Just a mere $34,500 want to cut a deal. Your right it was pretty hard to fit the wet bar on her heh heh had to give up but the couple of oriental rugs on the aft cockpit do look kinda sharp :) -- so we bought a 27 WA haven't tried the bar yet!
Larry I also stand corrected on the WA with the SSM bracket. We are re-rigging new controller and cables it turns out BW used stringers which now appear to terminate at the transom and the SSM bracket used 4 in the unit the two center match up to the two in the hull but can't see there is any attachment.

Hop to:

Contact Us | RETURN to ContinuousWave Top Page

Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Freeware Version 2000
Purchase our Licensed Version- which adds many more features!
© Infopop Corporation (formerly Madrona Park, Inc.), 1998 - 2000.

Author	Topic: Outrage 27 Cuddy
Whaletosh	posted 07-27-2001 04:52 PM ET (US) In South Haven, MI I spotted a large 27' Whaler named "Dolphin Rider". It had a center console, a small cabin up front, and two fairly new Evinrude 225s on it. Would this have been an Outrage 27 Cuddy, similar to BigZ's? Was it gourgeous! Sean
bigz	posted 07-28-2001 09:40 AM ET (US) Sean, there was never a "27" Outrage just to set the record straight! Yes, if she was a 27 ccc would be similar to ours depending on that years refinements, the hulls are the same. Excellent built and handling boats. Cost a bit to maintain though! The 27's which I believe were first introduced in '83 or '84 (they usually start production in the summer for following year) came originally in three configurations with a couple of different power optional arrangements. The 27 center console cuddy, with either a standard outboard transom or a full transom with OMC Sea Drives, this power option held through to the other ones which were a 27 cuddy (forward helm, raised fore deck similar to the Revenge), the 27 full cabin included a full head with shower, and a galley. Then when the Whaler drive was introduced the Sea Drive was discontinued (think OMC dumped it about the same time) and slight modifications were done as refinements to these originals. Then a 27 Walk Around was added in I think maybe '89 or '90 just before Mr. D was asked to leave, this had a full walk around way to the bow surrounding the cabin which had a similar layout as the original full cabin model with a full transom and Whaler drive. Depending on the options/configurations the list prices back throughout the eighties ranged from $45,000 to $70,000 less power. More info than you ever wanted to know. PS. LHG yes the SSM bracket is structurally incorporated to the hull with stingers running from the bracket into the stern bilge area with a thin bulk head separating the areas, the overlay is bolted to the transom and screwed to the bracket internal stringers which lead into the main hull with a thin bulk head surrounding them. The 27 WA then was redesigned in '91 by Mr. Peter VanL and team, incorporated a specialty designed bracket made by Salt Shaker Marine which actually was part of the hull with an overlay deck that incorporated it with the stern cockpit area separated by a bait station and a walk through door. The cabin and helm were redesigned so that a double amidships berth could be added for family weekend cruising and fishing giving her the ability to sleep 4 (see these two configurations in the photo section showing both the early WA and the '91 WA-- Italian based one --- like the one we now own). This one had a list price close to $90,000 less power and for the most part came fully equipped, there were a few factory options that could push the price over $100,000 like an electric windlass, hardtop, canvas etc. To accommodate the "fishing" crowd a 27 Offshore was introduced, this one was built all the way up to '99 only offered in a outboard version with cut out transom. It has a center helm station encompassing a companion way to a small under deck cuddy with head. The list on this again was in the $90,000 range. The 27 Mr.D hull still survives today in the commercial division as the 27' Vigilant, this of course can be purchased with all types of options depending on need for commercial or military use. Might note that I heard from a few BW folks that they believe this was the finest hull Mr. D designed even heard that he also thought it was too. Who really knows for sure ---
Whaletosh	posted 07-30-2001 08:21 AM ET (US) z, Dolphin rider has a full transom, with the motors mounted on a bracket. It is a great looking boat. Thanks for the information.
lhg	posted 08-07-2001 06:47 PM ET (US) Tom: Believe it or not, in it's last year, 1990, the 27 CC Cuddy was renamed an Outrage 27!
Translation	posted 08-08-2001 09:52 AM ET (US) the 27 was the best whaler hull ever, besides the Montauk. Different animals, but each is arguably the leader in its class...... I've been on all the transom configurations of the 27 and I think the best riding boat was the regular cut transom. When discussing boat purchases with friends I consistently steer them to used 27's - buy it for $45,000, repower it, clean it up and put new electronics in it......If you spend another $45,000, you have a boat that beats any boat that prices out at $100 + brand new. Unless you are looking for rugs and a wet bar and a staircase that goes into the water.... (Do I sound biased?)
lhg	posted 08-08-2001 01:58 PM ET (US) I would agree with Translation. The new 28's don't compare, and weigh too much. Glorified SeaRays.
bigz	posted 08-09-2001 12:53 PM ET (US) Well Larry, I did find a reference to an Outrage "27" put couldn't place the year/s. A fellow emailed about an '88 being an Outrage 27 that's when I looked over a few other accumulated resources and found it. So you say only '90, hmm must have been marketing trying to jump start the cc cuddy again placing it in the Outrage line where it might-a should-a have been in the first place! Hey Translation I've got a '87 for sale, ccc with standard OB transom. Just a mere $34,500 want to cut a deal. Your right it was pretty hard to fit the wet bar on her heh heh had to give up but the couple of oriental rugs on the aft cockpit do look kinda sharp :) -- so we bought a 27 WA haven't tried the bar yet! Larry I also stand corrected on the WA with the SSM bracket. We are re-rigging new controller and cables it turns out BW used stringers which now appear to terminate at the transom and the SSM bracket used 4 in the unit the two center match up to the two in the hull but can't see there is any attachment.