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posted 10-05-2001 09:21 PM ET (US)
My brother is seriously looking at a 1996 Grady White Marlin 30 with twin 1996 Yamahas.
Any opinions on this boat would be appreciated. Is there any characteristic problems with the boat or engines he should look for?
He did not divulge the price.
posted 10-05-2001 09:23 PM ET (US)
That is twin 1996 225 horsepower Yamahas
posted 10-06-2001 09:29 AM ET (US)
Does anyone know of a similar FORUM on the internet to get information on Grady White boats?
Thank you for any help.
posted 10-06-2001 10:25 AM ET (US)
Above is a couple of links which might be useful. Would guess on just about most of the general boating and fishing forums you could dig up comments that would include the power boat magazine sites with forum.
The boat in my opinion is very nice (would rate her maybe better than our 27 Walk Around which is just shy of 30 feet with similar amenities), though even a '96 would set you back around 80 grand maybe more if she is pristine and has newer electronics. The Yamaha's would be the only detriment, then again if offshore isn't his bag wouldn't be to concerned if they check out on the basics ---
Good luck to your brother, even though this is a BW site --- heh heh Tom
posted 10-06-2001 04:33 PM ET (US)
Go to www.thehulltruth.com
many grady owners there
posted 10-06-2001 05:48 PM ET (US)
Don't know why bigz thinks Yamahas would be drawback unless he is referring to horsepower. I think 250's would be preferable. Otherwise the Yamahas are among the best on the market.
posted 10-06-2001 08:26 PM ET (US)
Thank you very kindly for this non-WHALER information.
I keep bragging to my brother about this website.
The impression I get is that "The American Public"(TAP)(to use an overcoined phrase) thinks of Whalers as small open boats. When TAP wants a boat with a cabin, they don't even consider Boston Whaler.
posted 10-07-2001 06:51 AM ET (US)
"detriment" is in context of purchasing a boat with 5-year-old motors that, if used for its intended purpose in life, may be close to the end of their intended life!
I might add we have a pair of 200hp '87 Yamaha's on our 27 ccc and I have no problem going offshore with them, then I know them and how they have been maintained -- plus even using just one can get up on plane ---
GAwhale: At this price level and complexity of systems on a GW 30 would certainly recommend to your brother to have her professionally surveyed -- even if the price isn't affected at least he'll know up front what will be needed to repair or upgrade --
posted 10-07-2001 07:35 AM ET (US)
Thanks Tom - Sounds like very good advice
posted 10-07-2001 11:19 AM ET (US)
Is there a site like continuousWave for Grady-White boats?
Actually, I don't think there is a site like this for any other boat brand. We Whaler owners really love our boats!
Is a Grady-White boat a proper topic on this FORUM?
I don't mind it, as long as we keep some connection to Whalers. The Grady-White boats are often mentioned or thought to be in the same league as Whalers, that is, a premium boat at a premium price.
My question: How do these Grady-White hull ride compared to the classic Whaler hull?
My initial impression is that the G-Ws are a little narrower hulls, maybe a bit deeper Vee, too. Am I correct?
posted 10-07-2001 01:00 PM ET (US)
No sorry to say there isn't a forum Jim. I am frankly surprised GW doesn't sponsor one -- unlike Whaler you wouldn't have dealer problems with all the comments about old vs. new -- heh heh --
Well don't know if GW is proper subject or not. However, a member asked a question who is a BW owner (like Maritine Skiffs posts!)and I guess the proper thing to do is if one has some knowledge pass it on -- don't think this thread would last to long given the subject matter unless a debate starts between the two companies offerings -- ;}
They have a narrower entry and are much more stable offshore and in heavy chop than the older BW's including our 27's. Though depending on conditions might get a little wetter ride than in a Whaler.
The Marlin 30 in question Jim would be my choice over our 27 WA of anyone's in that range. Very fine boat. Also expensive -- Tom
posted 10-07-2001 02:35 PM ET (US)
Have had as assortment of classic Whalers and Gradys in the family over the years. The Gradys are beamier and like the Classics have a dry ride. Comparing a 22' GW and a 22' Outrage, the Grady has a less punishing ride in chop, probably because of the V. I prefer the Classic just because I do. But if someone wants a newer rig, I think the Grady would be the way to go instead of the new BW.
posted 10-07-2001 10:53 PM ET (US)
The smallest Grady White listed on their website is a Sportsman 180. It is one foot longer than my Montauk and weighs twice as much.
To be fair I pulled up the closest Whaler model:
At least on an 18 Foot comparison JimH's assessment is correct.
posted 10-08-2001 04:57 PM ET (US)
Look at www.docksidereports.com David Pascoe is a well know marine surveyor who gives his opinions on various makes and models of boats. He speaks about the Grady in his review on a Pursuit (which he rates much more favorably than the Grady.) Overall he is not very impressed with Grady White because of some of the materials used and careless work done in areas where you don't look too often. Its worth a look-see.
posted 10-08-2001 05:29 PM ET (US)
Jimh's post sought comparison between Gradys and Classic Whalers, not the current Sea Ray-type whalers, such as the Dauntless. The Classics are far less beamy and heavy than both the Gradys and the current whalers. The question then is whether a boat with more beam and weight is necessarily preferable.
posted 10-08-2001 07:55 PM ET (US)
Excuse me, whalerfran..
I take exception to calling my Boston Whaler Dauntless 14 a "Sea Ray-type whaler"!!!
Are you saying that the only "true" Whalers are the ones made by the original Boston Whaler company before it was ever sold??
Please, be a bit kinder to your fellow Whaler owners. LOL
posted 10-09-2001 12:59 PM ET (US)
We looked at lots of boats before factory ordering the Guardian. Grady was (for obvious reasons) the first. Without bashing a quality boat, I would suggest going to a dealer and really looking at the little things that aren’t visible without getting into inspection hatches with a flashlight and or feeling around.
I was disappointed, and even got a fiberglass splinter while feeling around. I believe the boats are structurally sound, but this scrimping (IMO) is unacceptable for a "high quality" boat.
Something everyone should consider is Grady’s basic floatation vs Whalers level floatation since all Whalers offer level floatation.
Having said that, I liked the Grady’s ride compared to the ‘99/00 Whaler Hulls I tested.
posted 10-09-2001 06:53 PM ET (US)
I have spent a lot of time over the years looking at Grady-Whites. I have yet to see one that will hold a candle to my 18 or 25 Outrages, years '86 to '89, especially their equivalent late 1980's models. The quality of construction, as Louie indicates, just isn't there. Nor is the design quality and appearance. And the ones I've been in ride a lot harder & wetter also. In offshore seas on the FL east coast or Great Lakes, I've blown right by similar sized ones in my 25.
They just don't handle big seas like a Classic Whaler does. Their sides are too high for really rugged wind and sea conditions.
I think they're one of the most overrated boats on the market. They used to be a lot cheaper in price than a Whaler, but now they've managed to ratchet up the comparitive price as Whalers have been though all the ownership and design changes. Sorry GW fans, but those are my reactions to the issue.
posted 10-10-2001 11:24 AM ET (US)
In re-reading my post I think I should clarify. I don't want to give the impression that Gradys, particularly the newer ones, are not a good boat. Most know that they are, for most sea conditions. But I'm not sure the PREMIUM price is appropriate for what you get when compared to other (non-BW) brands being offered, hence my comment on over-rated. I still believe the BW foam filled hull is a much safer alternative when the going really gets bad. An 18' Outrage saved my life, and four others, four miles offshore, and if we'd been in an equivalent 1986 Grady, we could have gone down or been awash in the salt because of their minimal floatation and inability to keep the engines above water. And from 1958 to 1993, the years of exceptional quality of most Boston Whalers, relatively to ANY other brand of equivalently sized boat, nothing else compared, including Grady White.
posted 10-10-2001 06:16 PM ET (US)
I am a classic whaler guy by and by. Although the new whalers are built the same as they used to be Grady-White right now is a lot nicer, better riding, ergonomicly desiged boat. They ride way way better now then then any boat new or classic. (for what they are intended) The fit and finish is better and the hardware is beefer. Only thing I like about the new whalers verses grady is the Sea-Ray influenced cabin designs and layouts. Have ya'll seen the new big whalers. They are bulbus and ugly. They don't do the buldges to be different or to make them simular to the classics. It is for strength. They have to make the hulls bulky so the foam can fill the voids. Sorry for slamming whaler I love mine and wouldn't trade it for anything, but whaler has to do something different.
posted 10-10-2001 07:01 PM ET (US)
Michael: I don’t know if I necessarily agree with you.
Like you, I wouldn’t buy a “new style” whaler (only because it doesn’t suit my style of boating). I prefer the low freeboard (for catch and release), open transom (to drain greenies), lower power requirement, sportier feel etc etc……BUT many more people are buying Whalers today than ever before.
I also think most of us here would like an alternative to the new styles, because for our own reasons, we prefer them - but style and construction are 2 different topics. I still feel that Whaler offers one of the safest boats on the water – MUCH safer than a Grady, with fit and finish that is superior to that of a Grady. I really (really) tore into Grady’s before I spent a lot more money buying a commercial whaler, which IMO is the best boat of its size on the water. Just my opinion:)
As per “new style Whaler” vs Grady: Whaler has changed some hull designs, discontinued others, and are definitely targeting a different audience. Most of these people will rarely be out in a gale, and most will be miles inland during a storm. The new creature comforts, and fishy options are nice – would I buy them – NO, but many are.
I recently heard (from a very reliable source) that CPD will be moving out of the Edgewater facility to their very own facility. Whaler has decided to keep their full line-up of CPD hulls (including the 22), and will build them for anyone willing to fork out the extra dollars. So, (again IMO) Whaler still makes the best-built, safest, and most seaworthy little boats available – in more shapes and sizes than ever before.
posted 10-10-2001 07:47 PM ET (US)
I read some stats from a GW Marlin 30 set up with two 250 HP Yamahas.
3.85 gals per hour at 6 mph 1000 rpm
22.8 gals per hour at 30 mph 4000 rpm
59.35 gals per hour at 46 mph 5700 rpm
This boat has two fuel tanks holding a total of 306 gallons of fuel. So this boat can run for five hours at WOT.
Are these two engines hanging on the back of a Whaler any more fuel efficient?
When you get to a boat this size wouldn't it be more efficient to have an inboard diesel? ((I know) A diesel won't run 46 mph.)
posted 10-10-2001 08:04 PM ET (US)
I just checked the BW website.
The 350 Defiance comes with twin Yanmar diesels (inboards) putting out 420 HP. She comes with a 384 gallon fuel tank.
I am assuming this is the only new Whaler you can buy with an inboard. Anyone have the fuel economy stats for this yacht?
posted 10-10-2001 08:43 PM ET (US)
According to the fuel curve for the 420 HP diesel on the Yanmar web site (which appears optimistic) each engine would consume 22 gallons per hour at 2700 RPM (WOT).
posted 10-10-2001 08:47 PM ET (US)
GAwhale, here's an 80' diesel boat that'll run 70 knots, http://zf-marine.com/Propulsion/index.cfm
posted 10-10-2001 09:05 PM ET (US)
dgp - That is a fascinating boat! I stand corrected.
posted 10-10-2001 09:30 PM ET (US)
Louie that is fine you don't agree with me!
You are absolutly correct! More people are buying whalers: therefore they do things to cut corners. Starboard lids....cheap hardware..they even went as far as building the 18 duantless in the Robolo factory. One can't believe the quility is the same. Grady produces far fewer boats. Quanity/Quality
As far as safety..Grady floors are (More tne basic floataion) completely filled like whaler...just not up the gunnels.They don't need blidge pumps to evacuate the deck, (some whalers do/did). Grady hasn't pushed the unsinkablity aspect becuase if your do your chasing a"ledged". They don't want to be put in the same category as them. You said yourself you had to really tear into the grady..then you bought a CPD whaler. That says a lot.
You mentioned something that makes me think "As per “new style Whaler” vs Grady: Whaler has changed some hull designs, discontinued others, and are definitely targeting a different audience."
Whaler needs to stop targeting an aduience and built a boat like they used to! If you build they will come!
posted 10-11-2001 10:52 AM ET (US)
Michael: We actually agree on more than we disagree. Like you, I prefer classic Whalers, and agree with you that Whaler is targeting a new audience. But they still make the classic hull at the Commercial Division – If anything, these boats are better than the classics.
I don’t think that targeting a new audience, or making mistakes is a new thing for Whaler (or companies in general). All of Whaler’s previous owners had made an attempt to target into other markets. They all made some real bad mistakes, sold some crappy designs, and lost their asses along with the company – a few times. There are a few “Classics” that many of us would rather not discuss.
The only difference between Grady and most other boats is that they offer “BASIC” floatation in all models and sizes (including ones over 20’). Grady won’t go head to head with Whalers “LEVEL” floatation rating, because they CAN’T. IMO there are many other almost unsinkable boats to choose from.
posted 10-25-2001 10:57 PM ET (US)
Hey guys real quick I'm looking for a site to get a blue or black book value for a boat I'm looking at buying. Can you help?
posted 10-25-2001 11:43 PM ET (US)
posted 10-26-2001 06:04 AM ET (US)
George here is another site you might try
posted 10-26-2001 08:02 AM ET (US)
Real quick--Can you help me run a forum where topic threads don't get polluted by people appending new topics or questions to the end of threads? Thanks.
posted 10-26-2001 11:41 AM ET (US)
Well I'm sorry Jimh. I must have been in so much of a hurry that I forgot to mention that I was looking at buying a grady as well. So it was in continuation of the original post I thought. I really appreciate this site and have always held you and the other members with high regard. I know that it takes a great deal of work on your part to make it go. With the exception of a few bad apples "mako man" everyone is fairly civil even when differing on opinions. Up until now you yourself have been very gentle in warning and "instructing" others on forum etiquette, of which there are no instructions.
I have read the crass sarcasm in your reply to my post and well I'm pretty offended! I don't think I'll be around for a while, maybe just to silently view some posts.
Thanks for everything!
posted 10-26-2001 12:12 PM ET (US)
I'll continue the public dialogue...
People come to this site to find information about Boston Whalers. This tread began being quite a stretch in terms of topic, since it was talking about Grady-White. As I mentioned above, Grady-White can be a fair topic, as long as the context has something to do with Whaler.
A question about how to search on the internet to find prices of boats (even if the price is for a Grady White) is a pretty remote stretch of the bounds of topic and message continuity.
One of the reasons people like to read this FORUM is that it is not a totally helter-skelter collection of nonsense.
I just am asking for help in keeping it that way.
posted 10-26-2001 12:12 PM ET (US)
George, guess I correctly assumed you were looking for a Grady, since you have been around for a while and I haven't seen you indiscriminately post a question under a topic for the hell of it.
So perk up! I do think you're reading to much into Jim's comment -- and please stick around
Check the Meta topic section for my post to JimH on his comment -- Z
posted 10-26-2001 03:02 PM ET (US)
jimh - I think you could have been a little kinder. Don't you think "polluted" is a bit strong?
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