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GAwhale posted 11-08-2001 10:26 PM ET (US)
I just returned from a very nice trip to Charleston, SC. I logged several hours on my Montauk in various conditions. The boat was always very stable and I always felt very safe.
I went through some heavy wind and chop. I really had to slow down.The Montauk will beat you to death (felt it in my back). I guess this is when a deep 'V' would be nice. It was difficult to see because my eyes were watering so badly. I was wearing sunglasses, however next time I will bring safety glasses (with side protectors) or ski goggles.
I noticed when running the boat alone at higher speeds, I would have to sit on the far right of the bench seat and steer with my left hand to keep her nicely balanced.
Is this just my boat?
Or, is this a characteristic of all Montauks?
Is this due to prop rotation?
OFF SUBJECT
We had attempted to see Dunes West ( a golf resort community) off the Wando River in the past via automobile, but could not get past the guard shack. Via Boston Whaler at high tide this was NO problem. The clubhouse with a commanding view of the winding creek surrounded by stately oaks is spectacular. Many beautiful ($$$) homes with docks on the creek.
wpr posted 11-09-2001 07:48 AM ET (US)
I have a 98 Montauk, my boat too leans to the right when running. I assume this is due to prop rotation.
My boat has a 90hp Yamaha, I've noticed that when I back off plane from WOT throttle, (2 big boys on the seat) I get splashing over the cowling of the engine. Does anyone else have this problem??
-Bill
JFM posted 11-09-2001 08:11 AM ET (US)
Both my 2000 Montauk and 1972 sport have the same characteristics when getting close to WOT. I always thought that when a boat felt like listing many variables could be wrong, including going to fast with more power than the boat can handle. Regards, Jay P.S. In my Montauk at WOT in chop I think I need a man's brassiere and jock strap!
MilwaukeeWhaler posted 11-09-2001 08:46 AM ET (US)
Jay, I think you are referring to the Manssiere or otherwise known as the "Bro".
(Seinfeld rip-off)
My Montauk has the same issue although trimming at WOT seems to eliminate some of the torque. You can always slide the beer to the starboard side of the cooler!
ck
Eric posted 11-09-2001 10:14 AM ET (US)
What you are experiencing is called "torque heel", the boat heels over to one side in response to the torque of the engine. I mounted my baitwell on the right side of my Nauset (basically the same as a Montauk), and that leveled the boat perfectly.
TightPenny posted 11-09-2001 02:28 PM ET (US)
I live with the portside list on those few times when I feel like burning fuel as fast as I can.
The ocean doesn't allow WOT very often, nor does the chop in the Barnegat Bay.
GAwhale posted 11-09-2001 03:01 PM ET (US)
wpr - You are confusing me (not hard to do).
My Montauk actually leans to the Left. I must shift my weight to the Right to compensate.
wpr posted 11-09-2001 04:11 PM ET (US)
Sorry GAwhaler, You are right, she leans to the left not the right at WOT. I should stay with port and starboard.......
Barnett Childress posted 11-09-2001 05:04 PM ET (US)
I've got the same issue with 2001 Montauk & Merc 90HP 4 stroke at near WOT with just me aboard. More weight to port evens things out. I looked into Bennett tournament trim tabs. This model is made especially for small fishing boats. After talking to Bennett it is possible to fit the 810 model tabs to a Montauk. I'll be doing the install first thing next spring. I'm located in Mass and boat is already put away for winter.
If interested check out http://www.bennetttrimtabs.com/Fishboat.htm
Barnett
lhg posted 11-09-2001 05:50 PM ET (US)
Propeller torque, and subsequent lean to port, on a light weight single engine boat like a Montauk, is a fact of physics that one has to live with.
That is why BW used to install the battery in the starboard stern corner, not worrying whether the interior looked clean & spiffy, and also why this is the recommended side for mounting a pony motor. In spite of it's popularity, I have never thought the console was the proper place for a battery, this being one of the reasons. My 18 Outrage has exposed battery boxes in the transom splash well, and so do the 22's, and I have never figured out why this wasn't acceptable in a Montauk. Maybe the BW battery box costs too much!
This is also the reason why all boats with windshields have always had the helm station on the right, British style.
Taylor posted 11-09-2001 07:48 PM ET (US)
Lhg, thanks for the explanation. I was wondering why RHD (british style) for boats. I just shift my weight to starboard, but with kayaks and sailing dingeys that comes naturally. 'Trim ship' as my dad used to say.
Barnett Childress posted 11-10-2001 07:58 AM ET (US)
Oops I meant more weight to starboard. Thats what you get trying to think after a long week :>!
I've been trying to decide on trim tabs or adding additional weight starboard/aft with a small kicker but don't really feel I need the kicker.
Eric can you please give some more info on the bait well you talked about? Any pics?
Thanks,
Barnett
FISHNFF posted 11-12-2001 02:20 AM ET (US)
Barnett
I also have been toying with the idea of trim tabs on my Alert/Montauk with a Merc 90 4S. The sport tabs looked nice but I am leaning toward the Lenco's for ease of installation. I don't want that hydraulic line coming through my transom, nor hydraulic lines or pump. The Lenco's have a over transom wiring kit and I believe are easier to mount. Just my 2cents. Haven't done it yet. Please keep me informed.
GAwhale posted 11-12-2001 09:10 AM ET (US)
My brother advises against trim tabs. Just one more thing to go wrong. The left trim on his in-laws Wellcraft froze up causing the boat to pull to one side. They could also be damaged during beaching.
You know the saying, "KEEP IT SIMPLE".

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Author	Topic: Montauk Characteristics
GAwhale	posted 11-08-2001 10:26 PM ET (US) I just returned from a very nice trip to Charleston, SC. I logged several hours on my Montauk in various conditions. The boat was always very stable and I always felt very safe. I went through some heavy wind and chop. I really had to slow down.The Montauk will beat you to death (felt it in my back). I guess this is when a deep 'V' would be nice. It was difficult to see because my eyes were watering so badly. I was wearing sunglasses, however next time I will bring safety glasses (with side protectors) or ski goggles. I noticed when running the boat alone at higher speeds, I would have to sit on the far right of the bench seat and steer with my left hand to keep her nicely balanced. Is this just my boat? Or, is this a characteristic of all Montauks? Is this due to prop rotation? OFF SUBJECT We had attempted to see Dunes West ( a golf resort community) off the Wando River in the past via automobile, but could not get past the guard shack. Via Boston Whaler at high tide this was NO problem. The clubhouse with a commanding view of the winding creek surrounded by stately oaks is spectacular. Many beautiful ($$$) homes with docks on the creek.
wpr	posted 11-09-2001 07:48 AM ET (US) I have a 98 Montauk, my boat too leans to the right when running. I assume this is due to prop rotation. My boat has a 90hp Yamaha, I've noticed that when I back off plane from WOT throttle, (2 big boys on the seat) I get splashing over the cowling of the engine. Does anyone else have this problem?? -Bill
JFM	posted 11-09-2001 08:11 AM ET (US) Both my 2000 Montauk and 1972 sport have the same characteristics when getting close to WOT. I always thought that when a boat felt like listing many variables could be wrong, including going to fast with more power than the boat can handle. Regards, Jay P.S. In my Montauk at WOT in chop I think I need a man's brassiere and jock strap!
MilwaukeeWhaler	posted 11-09-2001 08:46 AM ET (US) Jay, I think you are referring to the Manssiere or otherwise known as the "Bro". (Seinfeld rip-off) My Montauk has the same issue although trimming at WOT seems to eliminate some of the torque. You can always slide the beer to the starboard side of the cooler! ck
Eric	posted 11-09-2001 10:14 AM ET (US) What you are experiencing is called "torque heel", the boat heels over to one side in response to the torque of the engine. I mounted my baitwell on the right side of my Nauset (basically the same as a Montauk), and that leveled the boat perfectly.
TightPenny	posted 11-09-2001 02:28 PM ET (US) I live with the portside list on those few times when I feel like burning fuel as fast as I can. The ocean doesn't allow WOT very often, nor does the chop in the Barnegat Bay.
GAwhale	posted 11-09-2001 03:01 PM ET (US) wpr - You are confusing me (not hard to do). My Montauk actually leans to the Left. I must shift my weight to the Right to compensate.
wpr	posted 11-09-2001 04:11 PM ET (US) Sorry GAwhaler, You are right, she leans to the left not the right at WOT. I should stay with port and starboard.......
Barnett Childress	posted 11-09-2001 05:04 PM ET (US) I've got the same issue with 2001 Montauk & Merc 90HP 4 stroke at near WOT with just me aboard. More weight to port evens things out. I looked into Bennett tournament trim tabs. This model is made especially for small fishing boats. After talking to Bennett it is possible to fit the 810 model tabs to a Montauk. I'll be doing the install first thing next spring. I'm located in Mass and boat is already put away for winter. If interested check out http://www.bennetttrimtabs.com/Fishboat.htm Barnett
lhg	posted 11-09-2001 05:50 PM ET (US) Propeller torque, and subsequent lean to port, on a light weight single engine boat like a Montauk, is a fact of physics that one has to live with. That is why BW used to install the battery in the starboard stern corner, not worrying whether the interior looked clean & spiffy, and also why this is the recommended side for mounting a pony motor. In spite of it's popularity, I have never thought the console was the proper place for a battery, this being one of the reasons. My 18 Outrage has exposed battery boxes in the transom splash well, and so do the 22's, and I have never figured out why this wasn't acceptable in a Montauk. Maybe the BW battery box costs too much! This is also the reason why all boats with windshields have always had the helm station on the right, British style.
Taylor	posted 11-09-2001 07:48 PM ET (US) Lhg, thanks for the explanation. I was wondering why RHD (british style) for boats. I just shift my weight to starboard, but with kayaks and sailing dingeys that comes naturally. 'Trim ship' as my dad used to say.
Barnett Childress	posted 11-10-2001 07:58 AM ET (US) Oops I meant more weight to starboard. Thats what you get trying to think after a long week :>! I've been trying to decide on trim tabs or adding additional weight starboard/aft with a small kicker but don't really feel I need the kicker. Eric can you please give some more info on the bait well you talked about? Any pics? Thanks, Barnett
FISHNFF	posted 11-12-2001 02:20 AM ET (US) Barnett I also have been toying with the idea of trim tabs on my Alert/Montauk with a Merc 90 4S. The sport tabs looked nice but I am leaning toward the Lenco's for ease of installation. I don't want that hydraulic line coming through my transom, nor hydraulic lines or pump. The Lenco's have a over transom wiring kit and I believe are easier to mount. Just my 2cents. Haven't done it yet. Please keep me informed.
GAwhale	posted 11-12-2001 09:10 AM ET (US) My brother advises against trim tabs. Just one more thing to go wrong. The left trim on his in-laws Wellcraft froze up causing the boat to pull to one side. They could also be damaged during beaching. You know the saying, "KEEP IT SIMPLE".