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ron3637 posted 11-16-2001 03:46 PM ET (US)   Profile for ron3637   Send Email to ron3637  
Looking at the 23 foot conquest . how do you think it stacks up against edgewater's 23 foot with cabin. i believe this is a relevant topic because it deals with whalers, and i hope this board is more than just a cheerleader for whalers. i dont want to ruffle anyones feathers i just want honest opinions thanks ron
george nagy posted 11-16-2001 05:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for george nagy  Send Email to george nagy     
Ron, I myself have been looking at the edgewater 225 cc. I think it is ok to mention edgewater from time to time because of Doerty's influences when he was at whaler are present in almost all of our classics. If you stripped off the decals of a classic 18' outrage, a new dauntless 18', and an edgewater 18' then stood 5' away I bet 9 times out of 10 you think the edgwater is a new whaler and the dauntless was well what it really is Aa searay. I'm someday going to test drive an edgwater maybe at the factory. The lifetime guarantee is attractive. They are still a far cry from a classic whaler but not a tear shed from a new whaler.
I noticed in thier new catalog they hava a shot of a220cc passing a hatteras flybridge. Unfortunately they no longer offer that model but it really is clear that the same person that designed the classic outrages designed that edgewater. Keep us posted.
Peter posted 11-16-2001 07:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
George,

I talked to the Edgewater dealer up here about a year ago when they offered the new 225cc and he said they'll make you a 220cc if you want one since they still have the mold. The lines on that 220 have always caught my eye.

jimh posted 11-17-2001 08:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
The Boston Whaler 23-Conquest and Edgewater 225 EX are both trailerable cuddy cabin boats. (The larger Conquest models are all wider than 8-ft 6-in and thus are problematic for highway trailering.)

The Edgewater 225 EX is a new model. I don't think too many have been delivered. It has received good reviews (don't all boats) in magazines. I wonder if there is anyone who has even seen one firsthand, let alone been aboard one on the water.

Peter posted 11-17-2001 08:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
I've been on the 225EX at a couple of boat shows. The layout is pretty interesting. The companionway to the cabin is off center on the port side, rather than being centrally located like it is on the Revenge for example. There are storage bins on the port side of the cabin superstructure sheer and a pocket for receiving a 25 quart cooler. As I recall, the cabin has a fair amount of head room. There was an adjustable helm bench wide enough for two which divides the boat into the helm and cockpit areas. The cockpit is fairly large and can be provided with a rear facing bench seat and a transom bench seat. I believe that both can be folded out of the way. Overall, I thought that it was a pretty large 22'6" boat.
Clark Roberts posted 11-17-2001 08:43 AM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
My suggestion: test drive each and put through paces; steerage at idle speed, backing down, coming to plane, hands off straight ahead, list in cross winds?, access to bow (fast, safe, easy??), ventillation in cabin, lowest comfortable cruising speed?, hard turns, climbing and decending large cruiser wakes, vision and seating at helm, stand up comfort and throttle position at hand, docking/line handling/cleat&chocks.. etc..etc..etc... often it's the small things that account for a pleasurable boat! Others may have other suggestions... do your homework and "fly before buy"! No, I don't own either but I did spend the night at a Holiday Inn Express last night! What? Happy Whalin'... Clark... Spruce Creek Navy
where2 posted 11-18-2001 09:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for where2  Send Email to where2     
Stood in one of the first, if not THE first one at the Miami Intl. Boat Show last February. Felt like a BIG boat in comparison to my dad's 200CC Edgewater. An interesting statistic to compare is the weight difference between the 225CC and the 225EX. For having a cabin, it's not all that different in weight. It ought to perform very similar to the CC version.
I certainly agree that nothing will satisfy your questions and doubts like a sea trial. There's been discussions before that sea trials are not the norm in some places. Fortunately, Florida dealers seem quite pleased to offer sea trials, and wholeheartedly seem to encourage you to ride-before-you-buy. I wouldn't buy a car I couldn't test drive. Why should I buy a boat that costs as much as 2 cars w/o a test drive?
bigz posted 11-18-2001 09:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Come on Clark Roberts you have first hand knowledge of the 23 Conquest even if you don't own it, spill the beans on all those items you outlined one should look for when you fly before you buy ---

Hope the Holiday Inn had a comfy bed, since you didn't have the nice gentle roll and bob of a boat's berth or the smell of salt air to lull yeah to sleep. ;) Z

jimh posted 11-18-2001 09:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Is the helm position in the Edgewater 225 EX on centerline?
Clark Roberts posted 11-19-2001 08:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
Big Z, you are correct as usual but I don't have any time in the EW so can't compare. My buddy's 23 CQ is a joy to pilot and is easy access to bow (around the sides). The fold-away stern seat is clever and practical and stowage abounds! Here are some performance details : Twin 135 Merc Opti's with 17"pitch Quicksilver Mirage Plus (no vents) props; top speed approx 48mph(5600rpm); cruises at 3300 rpm min and 30 mph (doesn't like to go much slower); mid range acceleration is very, very strong as is time to plane; it will plane and run about 25mph on a single engine (this is an important asset!); it is very sensitive to cross-wind list and tabs are a must (they may be std??). I have taken it on several 150mile plus per day runs and it is very comfortable and also trailers easily (my buddy pulls it with a 215hp V6 MB 320 and really needs more power and torque but we are in the flatlands so it works out ok). All in all, I think it's a fine boat and a great overnighter and would seriously consider one if I was in the market for that size rig. Happy Whalin'... Clark...Spruce Creek Navy
blackdog posted 11-19-2001 03:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for blackdog  Send Email to blackdog     
How’s the fit & finish compared to a Whaler? The Edgewater I looked at a few years ago- well it could not hold a candle to a Whaler.

Access to the bow may be difficult but it looks like a nice rig. Expensive as are Whaler's. around $37,000 I believe.

Blackdog

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