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DaveS posted 11-19-2001 02:58 PM ET (US)
I have the opportunity to pick up a 1985, 18' outrange with twin 70hp johnsons. The Hull is in good shape but the engines are tired and the trailer has seen better days. If I decide to pick this boat up and repower with something that's rebuilt, what would the minimum HP you'd hang on the back of this boat? What type of performance can I expect with it? What would be a fair price? My first whaler was supposed to be a Montauk but this just jumped out to me. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.
Thanks again.
DaveS

JBCornwell posted 11-19-2001 03:34 PM ET (US)
Hi, Dave. I've been thinking on the same lines, and have reached some conclusions.
First of all you need to clarify what you expect in the way of performance. I will settle for a top end that a lot of people think is too slow. 40 mph or so is plenty for me. My OR18 should be able to do that, normally loaded, with a 90. So I am setting my minimum at 115. Part of the reason is that 115 is the HP at which there is a good selection of EFI 4 strokes.
If you aren't fixed on 4 stroke, as I am, and you want dual engines, I think that the 3 cyl. 70s are an excellent choice. You can save a few bux by replacing those OMC 70s with OMC 70s.
Now we need to see what other ideas and opinions our fellow Whalers have.
Red sky at night. . .
JB :)
Bigshot posted 11-19-2001 04:07 PM ET (US)
How do you know they are tired. Just because they are old don't mean Doodoo. Do a compression test and see if they are tight, if so run them, you can always get home on one. Might want to look into rebuilding them for about $1200-1500 each. other than that, do as JB said, 115min.
tlynch posted 11-19-2001 04:25 PM ET (US)
If you are looking at the boat in New Jersey I was wondering what shape it was in!
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/2/9/1604229.htm
I just got my first BW, an Outrage 18 and love it (My friend has a montauk and this is much more boat - more to go wrong too!).
I have the same hull with a 1985 Johnson 150hp (V6, 2 Stroke). WOT I can get my boat to 42.7 (I can't remember if that is MPH or Knots measured on my GARMIN GPS 12). I am very comfotable going that speed. And I go about 34 at cruising rpms which gets you there fast enough!
From what JBCornwell said, there must be something wrong with my engine, but it does seem to be running well - except ... well thats for another thread in another forum!
Knowing what I know, if I repower I think that I will go with another 150hp.
Remember - everyone says - spend as much as you can and get as much HP as you can because two years down the line you will wish you had!
I'de say, get the boat and use it till the engines die, then start worrying about repowering.
Hope this helps!
Todd
Taylor posted 11-19-2001 05:28 PM ET (US)
That one on New Jersey is crying out for someone to buff it up and make it look nice, its got the wood gunwales too. I noticed it too, but I'm no where near NJ and a Outrage will not fit in my boathouse. I agree with Bigshot and tlynch, use with the Johnson's till they die. Repower later. I would think there is a lot of upside on an '85 with new power. But it is fall, don't pay too much.
maverick posted 11-19-2001 08:45 PM ET (US)
Dave - I've got an 85 18.6, and repowered with a new 150 Johnson 2 stroke in 1999. Boat is an awesome performer with more juice than the bare requirement. I'd rather have more and not use it than not enough and need it. Mine runs wide open at 48, depending on load. I have a Viper prop and generally carry around 40 gallons of gas. If I was to repower again, it would be with another 2 stroke (non-Ficht) 150. No doubt, no hesitation. This boat is exhilerating and has the hole shot torque to sling you out the back like an F-16. I like the older style carb-type 150 as it's reliable and proven technology, and is lightweight, as well as generally less expensive than EFIs and 4 strokes. Just my .02. Best, Mav


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Author	Topic: 18' outrange
DaveS	posted 11-19-2001 02:58 PM ET (US) I have the opportunity to pick up a 1985, 18' outrange with twin 70hp johnsons. The Hull is in good shape but the engines are tired and the trailer has seen better days. If I decide to pick this boat up and repower with something that's rebuilt, what would the minimum HP you'd hang on the back of this boat? What type of performance can I expect with it? What would be a fair price? My first whaler was supposed to be a Montauk but this just jumped out to me. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. Thanks again. DaveS
JBCornwell	posted 11-19-2001 03:34 PM ET (US) Hi, Dave. I've been thinking on the same lines, and have reached some conclusions. First of all you need to clarify what you expect in the way of performance. I will settle for a top end that a lot of people think is too slow. 40 mph or so is plenty for me. My OR18 should be able to do that, normally loaded, with a 90. So I am setting my minimum at 115. Part of the reason is that 115 is the HP at which there is a good selection of EFI 4 strokes. If you aren't fixed on 4 stroke, as I am, and you want dual engines, I think that the 3 cyl. 70s are an excellent choice. You can save a few bux by replacing those OMC 70s with OMC 70s. Now we need to see what other ideas and opinions our fellow Whalers have. Red sky at night. . . JB :)
Bigshot	posted 11-19-2001 04:07 PM ET (US) How do you know they are tired. Just because they are old don't mean Doodoo. Do a compression test and see if they are tight, if so run them, you can always get home on one. Might want to look into rebuilding them for about $1200-1500 each. other than that, do as JB said, 115min.
tlynch	posted 11-19-2001 04:25 PM ET (US) If you are looking at the boat in New Jersey I was wondering what shape it was in! http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/2/9/1604229.htm I just got my first BW, an Outrage 18 and love it (My friend has a montauk and this is much more boat - more to go wrong too!). I have the same hull with a 1985 Johnson 150hp (V6, 2 Stroke). WOT I can get my boat to 42.7 (I can't remember if that is MPH or Knots measured on my GARMIN GPS 12). I am very comfotable going that speed. And I go about 34 at cruising rpms which gets you there fast enough! From what JBCornwell said, there must be something wrong with my engine, but it does seem to be running well - except ... well thats for another thread in another forum! Knowing what I know, if I repower I think that I will go with another 150hp. Remember - everyone says - spend as much as you can and get as much HP as you can because two years down the line you will wish you had! I'de say, get the boat and use it till the engines die, then start worrying about repowering. Hope this helps! Todd
Taylor	posted 11-19-2001 05:28 PM ET (US) That one on New Jersey is crying out for someone to buff it up and make it look nice, its got the wood gunwales too. I noticed it too, but I'm no where near NJ and a Outrage will not fit in my boathouse. I agree with Bigshot and tlynch, use with the Johnson's till they die. Repower later. I would think there is a lot of upside on an '85 with new power. But it is fall, don't pay too much.
maverick	posted 11-19-2001 08:45 PM ET (US) Dave - I've got an 85 18.6, and repowered with a new 150 Johnson 2 stroke in 1999. Boat is an awesome performer with more juice than the bare requirement. I'd rather have more and not use it than not enough and need it. Mine runs wide open at 48, depending on load. I have a Viper prop and generally carry around 40 gallons of gas. If I was to repower again, it would be with another 2 stroke (non-Ficht) 150. No doubt, no hesitation. This boat is exhilerating and has the hole shot torque to sling you out the back like an F-16. I like the older style carb-type 150 as it's reliable and proven technology, and is lightweight, as well as generally less expensive than EFIs and 4 strokes. Just my .02. Best, Mav