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SuburbanBoy posted 11-27-2001 12:02 PM ET (US)
I had a few minutes to spare and caught up on all of the forum areas. I suprised to read that some consider the GTX to be ugly. I think that is great news. Should help to drive the price down to where I might be able to afford one. But, one issue remains. That of towing capacity. Given that the GTX is an 18 Outrage with some additional structure and padding, what would you estimate the total weight of hull and trailer to be. Skip the motor as I can guesstimate that. I am thinking of the outboard version, not the I/O. I believe that boat, motor(s)(500 lbs) and trailer will exceed 2,000 lbs.
It is hard to find an economical vehicle with trailering capacity in excess of 2,000 lbs. BTW, I consider above 25 mpg solo, to be economical. My current combo, 95' Honda Odyssey (4 cylinder) and 15' Striper will get about 22+ mpg over the road here in flat land.
sub.
Tom W Clark posted 11-27-2001 08:53 PM ET (US)
GTX? b.u. if you ask me, but you asked about weight. I would guess that an outboard powered 18-GTX (are you sure there is such a thing?) would be a bit heavier than an 18-Outrage. I's guess 1500 lbs. Add a 400 lb. V-6, two group 24 batteries (80 lbs), 200-300 lbs of fuel, a trailer weighting 700-800 lbs and you're around 3000 lbs before you add any goodies or gear.
Dick posted 11-27-2001 09:08 PM ET (US)
The GTX was offered as both an outboard and I/O model from 1982 to 1986.
Thought I had a picture of one but I went through my pictures from the 1984 dealer meeting and no GTX.
Tom W Clark posted 11-27-2001 09:14 PM ET (US)
Yes, there's some good pictures of an outboard powered GTX on page 26 of Cetacea: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage26.html
I don't think I've ever seen one that wasn't a stern drive. They are very rare either way.
Casey17 posted 11-29-2001 03:19 PM ET (US)
They are rare because it was a piece of junk! I owned one of the first 5 made. It had an i/o. Float switch was installed above the bottom of the engine block so the pump didn't go on until the engine was sitting in water. Also, the sundeck pad covering the engine broke free of the brackets about one month into the summer and the swinging center section of the walk-through windshield would fall and get stuck below the other two parts any time we hit a wave. Had the boat one summer and sued Whaler based on the fact that the engine had to be replaced because of the bilge set-up. Collected a settlement and got my money back on the purchase. Stayed away from whalers for a while but have had 4 since. Chalk it up to a BAD BAD design.
lhg posted 11-29-2001 03:39 PM ET (US)
My 1986 catalog shows the outboard version of the 18 GTX at 1350# (only 100# more than Outrage version) and the stern drive version at 2350#. Like the others here, have yet to see any BW bow rider that I've ever liked! Have never understood why they keep trying, and failing, to fill this market niche. Why don't they just leave it to Sea Ray.
lhg posted 11-29-2001 03:46 PM ET (US)
Further to the trailering question asked, any 18/19 Classic Outrage/GTX should be on a 2800# capacity trailer (single axle, 14" wheels), making a total towing load in the area of 3000-3500#. Because the 1992-95 Classic Outrage II is heavier, those rigs should be on a 3200-3500# capacity Tandem trailer with 13" wheels.
Curtis Johnson posted 12-03-2001 02:10 PM ET (US)
Casey, I've had a GTX with a 260 Mercruiser for years-No problems with any of it. Plenty of power for wakeboarding for teens, great reliability, great cruiser for 6 adults, sips fuel, solid feel at all times. I am scared of fire, and am taking steps to address this. It sure beats the hell out of any of the other ski/cruiser bow riders I've ever seen. I use a Suburban 2500 to tow on a single axle Load Right with big 15 inch tires. It is a load back there.

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Author	Topic: GTX and trailer weight?
SuburbanBoy	posted 11-27-2001 12:02 PM ET (US) I had a few minutes to spare and caught up on all of the forum areas. I suprised to read that some consider the GTX to be ugly. I think that is great news. Should help to drive the price down to where I might be able to afford one. But, one issue remains. That of towing capacity. Given that the GTX is an 18 Outrage with some additional structure and padding, what would you estimate the total weight of hull and trailer to be. Skip the motor as I can guesstimate that. I am thinking of the outboard version, not the I/O. I believe that boat, motor(s)(500 lbs) and trailer will exceed 2,000 lbs. It is hard to find an economical vehicle with trailering capacity in excess of 2,000 lbs. BTW, I consider above 25 mpg solo, to be economical. My current combo, 95' Honda Odyssey (4 cylinder) and 15' Striper will get about 22+ mpg over the road here in flat land. sub.
Tom W Clark	posted 11-27-2001 08:53 PM ET (US) GTX? b.u. if you ask me, but you asked about weight. I would guess that an outboard powered 18-GTX (are you sure there is such a thing?) would be a bit heavier than an 18-Outrage. I's guess 1500 lbs. Add a 400 lb. V-6, two group 24 batteries (80 lbs), 200-300 lbs of fuel, a trailer weighting 700-800 lbs and you're around 3000 lbs before you add any goodies or gear.
Dick	posted 11-27-2001 09:08 PM ET (US) The GTX was offered as both an outboard and I/O model from 1982 to 1986. Thought I had a picture of one but I went through my pictures from the 1984 dealer meeting and no GTX.
Tom W Clark	posted 11-27-2001 09:14 PM ET (US) Yes, there's some good pictures of an outboard powered GTX on page 26 of Cetacea: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage26.html I don't think I've ever seen one that wasn't a stern drive. They are very rare either way.
Casey17	posted 11-29-2001 03:19 PM ET (US) They are rare because it was a piece of junk! I owned one of the first 5 made. It had an i/o. Float switch was installed above the bottom of the engine block so the pump didn't go on until the engine was sitting in water. Also, the sundeck pad covering the engine broke free of the brackets about one month into the summer and the swinging center section of the walk-through windshield would fall and get stuck below the other two parts any time we hit a wave. Had the boat one summer and sued Whaler based on the fact that the engine had to be replaced because of the bilge set-up. Collected a settlement and got my money back on the purchase. Stayed away from whalers for a while but have had 4 since. Chalk it up to a BAD BAD design.
lhg	posted 11-29-2001 03:39 PM ET (US) My 1986 catalog shows the outboard version of the 18 GTX at 1350# (only 100# more than Outrage version) and the stern drive version at 2350#. Like the others here, have yet to see any BW bow rider that I've ever liked! Have never understood why they keep trying, and failing, to fill this market niche. Why don't they just leave it to Sea Ray.
lhg	posted 11-29-2001 03:46 PM ET (US) Further to the trailering question asked, any 18/19 Classic Outrage/GTX should be on a 2800# capacity trailer (single axle, 14" wheels), making a total towing load in the area of 3000-3500#. Because the 1992-95 Classic Outrage II is heavier, those rigs should be on a 3200-3500# capacity Tandem trailer with 13" wheels.
Curtis Johnson	posted 12-03-2001 02:10 PM ET (US) Casey, I've had a GTX with a 260 Mercruiser for years-No problems with any of it. Plenty of power for wakeboarding for teens, great reliability, great cruiser for 6 adults, sips fuel, solid feel at all times. I am scared of fire, and am taking steps to address this. It sure beats the hell out of any of the other ski/cruiser bow riders I've ever seen. I use a Suburban 2500 to tow on a single axle Load Right with big 15 inch tires. It is a load back there.