posted 12-05-2001 11:27 PM ET (US)            

whalerron, it is interesting that you note your brothers forward hatch is dessert tan 'glass. I had commented to gunnelgrabber that the only thing I couldn't figure out was the apparent lack of a forward hatch or that is must have been painted.

posted 12-06-2001 09:45 AM ET (US)            

One major problem with that console was that the attachment points from either the base to deck, or base to upright section were not strong, and needed owner mods.

It did/does give a very small "footprint" though.

posted 12-06-2001 11:00 AM ET (US)            

I responded to an ad in the paper for a 1977 Montauk with a fair price. I drove some distance to the boat's location at the appointed hour and pulled into the driveway. Immediately I noted the hull was the older style and was at that point rather irritated. "Why can't everybody else know their Whalers like me?!" I thought to myself.

I got out of the truck and gave the boat a quick look and saw that bizarre console. I figured if it wasn't a 1977 then it was probably a 1976 (the last year of the older hull). I knew very well what a Montauk console looked like and figured it was some aftermarket console, and an ugly one at that. I left in disgust...

I think that is the only one of these I have seen in person. In subsequent years I have seen them in photographs and was surprised when I finally realized it was, in fact, a Whaler console.

JB, there is a model called Tashmoo made from 1971 to 1973. Kinda' like a cross between a Bass Boat model and a Newport.

posted 12-06-2001 03:56 PM ET (US)         

I remember that this console was offered in a 16' hull, as we have seen here, but it's name eludes me. In 1973 the traditional Outrage console was first introduced, for the smooth sided 21 Outrage, and I had thought that the "Cohasset" had that console (which is still similar to the current Montauk console). But maybe I'm wrong here. We need someone with a 1973 catalog to settle this.

I do know that the welded SS railing on it is not original. I think it had teak hand-holds & other teak trim.

posted 12-06-2001 08:30 PM ET (US)            

Jay, someone else thinks this is a Tashmoo? Hmmm, what I know about the Tashmoo I learned here on the FORUM. There are, I believe, two threads discussing this boat. I will go look for them in a minute. As I recall, the Tashmoo has a foredeck like a Bass Boat as well as a low bow rail with windshield like a Newport as well as a short center console. I have never seen one. Has anybody else? There was one for sale last summer on Martha's Vineyard but I can't remember if there was a photo with the ad. As an aside, do not be confused with the brand of boat which is called Tashmoo, this is unrelated.

When gunnelgrabber emailed me he asked me if this boat had a factory console or an aftermarket console. Having seen this boat before I knew it to be a Whaler product. I told gunnelbrabber that I thought it was the original incarnation of the Montauk and not a 1972 but a 1973 based on the desert tan gelcoat. After perusing the Reference section I noted that the Cohasset model proceeded the Montauk and was produced in 1973 only. This jibed with my initial impression so I have concluded this boat is a 1973 Cohasset.

Now, there are a couple of bits of information in this thread that conflict with this notion.

This boat is labeled as a 1972 (see additional photos in second link). whalerron has a brother with an identical boat who claims it is a 1972. Makes one think it is a 1972 model. But wait, don't we know that the first desert tan whalers were produced for 1973? Tashmoo or Cohasset, wouldn't that make this boat a 1973?

Now lhg thinks that the Cohasset was introduced in 1973 as a boat identical to a Montauk, console and all. Am I understanding you correctly Larry? If you go to the Reference section of this site and look at the 16/17-foot page you will note that jimh describes the Cohasset as a 1973 only model that is the first molded center console 16' and furthermore he claims it changed into the Montauk for 1974, a name change only. This implies that the Cohasset would have the Montauk console we are all familiar with, unlike this boat. But remember, jimh got most of the information for this reference section from lhg so it makes sense the two would agree.

As to the mitered and welded console rail, I agree it looks unlike other Whaler details, but here's the thing: that boat I saw in 1986 had the exact same weird rail. It was one of the reasons I concluded at the time it was not a Whaler console. whalerron has seen this rail as well.

So perhaps we have not gotten to the bottom of this. Surely there is someone here with a 1972 and a 1973 Whaler catalog. When we get the serial number from whalerron's brother we'll email Chuck Bennett at Whaler and find out what it really is.

posted 12-06-2001 11:51 PM ET (US)            

That console should have a little more teak on it. The engine control should be mounted on a piece of solid teak and there should be a teak plywood door on the lower port side of the console. There should also be a small section of teak plywood where this guy has his fishfinder mounted.

In my opinion, that console was not something that Whaler should have been proud of. It wasn't mounted well to the boat and the darned thing just wasn't built well. And, numerous times, I happened to be lucky enough to have fingers hanging onto the port side of that that mitered rail when somebody closed the console door that is on the upper slanted surface of that console. The door only cleared the handrail by about 3/8 inches. That meant even if you were hanging onto the rail, the door would go past your fingers but only after causing severe pain!

The other problem with that boat is that there simply is nowhere for anyone but the driver to hang on. It is pretty scary scooting along at 40 mph while hanging onto only that console rail and knowing how that console is mounted to the boat! (My brother's Cohasset doesn't have the bow rails)

posted 12-07-2001 12:53 AM ET (US)            

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001169.html
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000918.html
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/000007.html

Read these threads and you will see there still is no consensus as to the years the Tashmoo was built. Some say 1973 only while others say it was built from 1971 to 1973.

Nothing indicates in these threads that the Tashmoo is our mystery boat. Let me quote from that last thread:

posted 12-07-2001 09:56 PM ET (US)            

It seems to me we may now conclude that this boat is not a Tashmoo but a Cohasset. The year is still confusing. If this boat were in fact a 1972 then it would be blue not desert tan.

The fact that the Cohasset model appears on a 1972 price list would seem to mean the reference section of this site needs some updating of information to include at least an accurate mention of the years it was in production.

As to the Cohasset I vs. Cohasset II distinction: Are we to assume the difference is in the trim level? For example the Cohasset has the upholstered reversible pilot seat, while the Cohasset has something simpler?

posted 12-07-2001 10:18 PM ET (US)            

So, it would appear that the seats don't necessarily indicate the boat model.

posted 12-10-2001 12:12 PM ET (US)            

It sounds like the serial number should be 3A6270 (there were no letter
G's
in the serial numbers).
According to Whaler's records, serial number 3A6270 was built in our
Rockland, Mass facility as a 16'7" Cohasset model and was originally
shipped out to a Cap'n Stan's Boat Ctr. in Silver Springs, MD on
8/30/72.
The Cohasset model was produced from 1972-1974.

Chuck sent me some great pictures of the Cohasset with this funky console. (JimH, I am sending those pictures to you now.) From those pictures, it is obvious that the mitered welded handrail is factory!

posted 12-10-2001 12:21 PM ET (US)            

The Cohassett I and Cohassett II are the same boat except the Cohassett I shipped with a pedestal seat and the Cohassett II shipped with the reversible pilot seat.

I would be happy to email the 2 brochure pages to anyone who is interested in them.

posted 12-10-2001 01:29 PM ET (US)            

Hyperlink

posted 12-11-2001 12:29 AM ET (US)            

Yes, the difference between the Cohasset I and the Cohasset II is the seats, though it's odd that the RPS could be ordered as an option for the Cohasset I. A typo perhaps? In lieu of the pedestal seat on the Cohasset I, a "cushioned cooler seat" could be substituted.

The Tashmoo is the most complex and expensive model according to this price list.

whalerron, your brother's boat is hull # 3A6270 which would make it only the 20th Desert tan 16'7" hull as the last blue hull was, according to the reference section here, 3A6250.

Still unanswered is the question of this being a 1973 model even though we know it was built in August of 1972.

Chap, here's a link that I think woks: Hyperlink

posted 12-11-2001 08:16 AM ET (US)            

I talked with the guy who bought my brother's boat new. Although the boat was built in 72, he bought in in 73. Does this mean that there are some Cohasset models out there that have the blue interior?