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JohnNorthEast posted 01-04-2002 09:41 PM ET (US)
I'm new to this board and appreciate reading the words of wisdom. I'm close to buying an 18 foot outrage but the wife is strongly pressing for a cuddy. So, what is the smallest size Revenge( cuddy?) whaler made? I think it is 20 feet but I am not sure on this... I am unsure if the 20 foot revenge was a cuddy. Any one know the answer to this one?
Tom W Clark posted 01-04-2002 09:53 PM ET (US)
Yes, the 20' Revenge is the smallest cuddy. Both the 1980 to 1885 20' and the 1986 to 199? were the same size essentially but slightly different hulls. There was the 19' Revenge made from the mid 1973 or 1974 until 1978 but it is not really a cuddy, just has a foredeck for stowing stuff under.
Butr the smallest cuddy produced by Boston Whaler was, of course, the Menemsha! Check it out here: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage25.html
Tsuriki BW posted 01-04-2002 09:53 PM ET (US)
JohnNorthEast.
To answer your title, I beleive the "smallest Whaler Cuddy" was the Menemsha, 16'. But others will answer you Q about the Revenge.
Have fun, and welcome to the forum.
Tsuriki
Tsuriki BW posted 01-04-2002 09:55 PM ET (US)
As always, Tom is the fastest with the best info.

How ya doin' Tom?
Tsuriki
JohnNorthEast posted 01-04-2002 10:14 PM ET (US)
Thank you for your quick response. I am am in search of a whaler and have been a reader of these pages for a while now...I do think the 20 foot Revenge will be hard to find... I'm assuming it is also a heavy boat? I will need to tow it ( short distances < 6 miles) to the ocean...again than you!
John
Tom W Clark posted 01-04-2002 10:28 PM ET (US)
John,
I don't think it will too hard to find, they are not exactly rare...
You shouldn't be worried about weight too much either. Our own jimh has one and if you haven't already doen so, check it out here: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage20.html
He says that the gross weight of his rig (with twins, full fuel and tandem axle trailer) is c. 4500 lbs. Any vehicle that can handle a class III receiver will be able to drag it the short distances you need to.
jimh posted 01-04-2002 10:52 PM ET (US)
Hi John-NE,
I think you are on to something about women having a preference for boats with a cuddy cabin. There does seem to be a strong correlation between the two.
The addition of a forward shelter canvas does make a fine cuddy on the Outrage boats, and you can sleep comfortably overnight in the bow of an 18-Outrage. It is a bit more comfortable if you level out the floor with a wooden floor riser insert, but if you are tired enough you can sleep on the slightly uneven cockpit floor with just an air mattress under you.
One word of advice I will pass on: an experienced boater pointed out that often when the boat is "new" the whole family wants to go boating, but after a year or so that wears off and you're left alone in the boat. It might possibly be better to get the boat best suited to your purposes as opposed to one that fits the "family" ideal.
In my case, my wife Chris and I are really boating partners, and it is very seldom I use the boat without her along. She likes a cuddy cabin and we have a Revenge.
JohnNorthEast posted 01-05-2002 02:54 PM ET (US)
Thanks JIMH, I am also considering the 18 foot outrage I have seen more of these arounnd. Also, i expect it will big enough for a novice and easier to manage. I understand the forward shelter can provide cover for the night.In regards to the 18-20 foot outrage ( 1985-89)would there be a liklihood of significant waterspashing in after a good days run?
My first choice is the 18 foor outrage but I am studying my options and keeping the family in mind as well. I am a lookin revenge or outrage....Thanks
John
David Ratusnik posted 01-05-2002 03:52 PM ET (US)
John- Your issue - cuddy or no cuddy OR is one I am familiar with big time. For 3-4 yrs I owned a 23' Chris Craft with a 350/260 IO set up-- big cuddy, heavy boat. It was Coast Gaurd rated for 6 people and had quite limited space to move around in--big cuddy. I boat with the wife, 3 kids and 3 cocker spaniels 90% of the time. We just did not use the cuddy very much-it was sort of dead space. I opted for a 22' OR which is rated for 11 people and you get to use all the space for water sports, rods, portable chairs etc. I believe the 20' OR you are talking about is set up pretty much like the 22', storage below in fish lockers adds space for ski ropes, fresh water wash down bags, vinyl items etc. I had installed a forward dodger/spray hood which is an auxilliary item meaning it can be left up--sort of like a cuddy- or folded forward which opens up the entire front of the Outrage. I think you need to experience the two set ups before pulling the trigger. Get yourself on a Revenge (they are fine boats) then get yourself on a Outrage. Check a few pics on this site then visit a marina where you can get up close to the two set ups. Both models will hold value nicely over the years. My thoughts David
lhg posted 01-05-2002 06:09 PM ET (US)
John - I am assuming your wife wants the Revenge model for sleeping aboard. If she only wants it for daytime foul weather protection, it would be a mistake. The 18 or 20 Outrage with Mills Flying top set (plan on about $2500 for this) has MORE room under it, particularly headroom, and is more useable for daytime, boat underway, protection.
I have a "cruising equipped" 18 Outrage (see Rendezvous section) and have lived aboard (2 people) for as long as 7 days, on a cruise from Seattle up to Desolation Sound (British Columbia Coast) and back. I made a teak slat deck to level the bow floor back to the console. Front cooler seat is removed for sleeping aboard at night. The Mills canvas system completely encloses the boat from bow pulpit to transom.

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Author	Topic: Smallest Whaler with a cuddy
JohnNorthEast	posted 01-04-2002 09:41 PM ET (US) I'm new to this board and appreciate reading the words of wisdom. I'm close to buying an 18 foot outrage but the wife is strongly pressing for a cuddy. So, what is the smallest size Revenge( cuddy?) whaler made? I think it is 20 feet but I am not sure on this... I am unsure if the 20 foot revenge was a cuddy. Any one know the answer to this one?
Tom W Clark	posted 01-04-2002 09:53 PM ET (US) Yes, the 20' Revenge is the smallest cuddy. Both the 1980 to 1885 20' and the 1986 to 199? were the same size essentially but slightly different hulls. There was the 19' Revenge made from the mid 1973 or 1974 until 1978 but it is not really a cuddy, just has a foredeck for stowing stuff under. Butr the smallest cuddy produced by Boston Whaler was, of course, the Menemsha! Check it out here: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage25.html
Tsuriki BW	posted 01-04-2002 09:53 PM ET (US) JohnNorthEast. To answer your title, I beleive the "smallest Whaler Cuddy" was the Menemsha, 16'. But others will answer you Q about the Revenge. Have fun, and welcome to the forum. Tsuriki
Tsuriki BW	posted 01-04-2002 09:55 PM ET (US) As always, Tom is the fastest with the best info. How ya doin' Tom? Tsuriki
JohnNorthEast	posted 01-04-2002 10:14 PM ET (US) Thank you for your quick response. I am am in search of a whaler and have been a reader of these pages for a while now...I do think the 20 foot Revenge will be hard to find... I'm assuming it is also a heavy boat? I will need to tow it ( short distances < 6 miles) to the ocean...again than you! John
Tom W Clark	posted 01-04-2002 10:28 PM ET (US) John, I don't think it will too hard to find, they are not exactly rare... You shouldn't be worried about weight too much either. Our own jimh has one and if you haven't already doen so, check it out here: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/cetacea/cetaceaPage20.html He says that the gross weight of his rig (with twins, full fuel and tandem axle trailer) is c. 4500 lbs. Any vehicle that can handle a class III receiver will be able to drag it the short distances you need to.
jimh	posted 01-04-2002 10:52 PM ET (US) Hi John-NE, I think you are on to something about women having a preference for boats with a cuddy cabin. There does seem to be a strong correlation between the two. The addition of a forward shelter canvas does make a fine cuddy on the Outrage boats, and you can sleep comfortably overnight in the bow of an 18-Outrage. It is a bit more comfortable if you level out the floor with a wooden floor riser insert, but if you are tired enough you can sleep on the slightly uneven cockpit floor with just an air mattress under you. One word of advice I will pass on: an experienced boater pointed out that often when the boat is "new" the whole family wants to go boating, but after a year or so that wears off and you're left alone in the boat. It might possibly be better to get the boat best suited to your purposes as opposed to one that fits the "family" ideal. In my case, my wife Chris and I are really boating partners, and it is very seldom I use the boat without her along. She likes a cuddy cabin and we have a Revenge.
JohnNorthEast	posted 01-05-2002 02:54 PM ET (US) Thanks JIMH, I am also considering the 18 foot outrage I have seen more of these arounnd. Also, i expect it will big enough for a novice and easier to manage. I understand the forward shelter can provide cover for the night.In regards to the 18-20 foot outrage ( 1985-89)would there be a liklihood of significant waterspashing in after a good days run? My first choice is the 18 foor outrage but I am studying my options and keeping the family in mind as well. I am a lookin revenge or outrage....Thanks John
David Ratusnik	posted 01-05-2002 03:52 PM ET (US) John- Your issue - cuddy or no cuddy OR is one I am familiar with big time. For 3-4 yrs I owned a 23' Chris Craft with a 350/260 IO set up-- big cuddy, heavy boat. It was Coast Gaurd rated for 6 people and had quite limited space to move around in--big cuddy. I boat with the wife, 3 kids and 3 cocker spaniels 90% of the time. We just did not use the cuddy very much-it was sort of dead space. I opted for a 22' OR which is rated for 11 people and you get to use all the space for water sports, rods, portable chairs etc. I believe the 20' OR you are talking about is set up pretty much like the 22', storage below in fish lockers adds space for ski ropes, fresh water wash down bags, vinyl items etc. I had installed a forward dodger/spray hood which is an auxilliary item meaning it can be left up--sort of like a cuddy- or folded forward which opens up the entire front of the Outrage. I think you need to experience the two set ups before pulling the trigger. Get yourself on a Revenge (they are fine boats) then get yourself on a Outrage. Check a few pics on this site then visit a marina where you can get up close to the two set ups. Both models will hold value nicely over the years. My thoughts David
lhg	posted 01-05-2002 06:09 PM ET (US) John - I am assuming your wife wants the Revenge model for sleeping aboard. If she only wants it for daytime foul weather protection, it would be a mistake. The 18 or 20 Outrage with Mills Flying top set (plan on about $2500 for this) has MORE room under it, particularly headroom, and is more useable for daytime, boat underway, protection. I have a "cruising equipped" 18 Outrage (see Rendezvous section) and have lived aboard (2 people) for as long as 7 days, on a cruise from Seattle up to Desolation Sound (British Columbia Coast) and back. I made a teak slat deck to level the bow floor back to the console. Front cooler seat is removed for sleeping aboard at night. The Mills canvas system completely encloses the boat from bow pulpit to transom.