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Dick posted 01-09-2002 10:10 PM ET (US)
I am helping out at the Seattle boat show and spent today building price books for the show. Mercury/Johnson/Evinrude/Yamaha/E-Z Load & Carnai (the old Calkins trailer co.).
Been out of touch with this side of the industry for a few years. Trailer prices haven't changed much but outboards have gone through the celing.
Boat show prices
Yamaha 225/4stk $15,800.00
Yamaha 225 efi/2stk $12,344.00
Merc 225 Opti $14,911.00
Rude Ficht 225 $15,422.00
Bought my first house for a lot less than those kickers and our markup for the show is next to nothing.
Tsuriki BW posted 01-10-2002 12:12 AM ET (US)
Dick,
For comparison:
1999 Dauntless 14 (4 months old), windshield with rail, bow cushion, cooler with cushion.
1999 75 hp T/T Carb Merc 2 stroke
21p Trophy II SS Prop
Aluminum Aux motor bracket
Garmin 126 GPS
Humminbird Wide Paramount 3D FF
Standard Eclipse + VHF
Shakespear 4'Antenna
Heavy duty Caulkins trailer (will fit even a Dauntless 16)
Purchased in Feb 2000, $15,500....
Less than a single Yamaha 225 4 stroke engine!!!! (even 2 years ago).
WOW.....
See ya at the show..
Tsuriki
NEVER SCARED posted 01-10-2002 03:57 PM ET (US)
Totally outrageous!!! What the hell are they thinking with these numbers? So when you see a 28 footer with twin 225 Optimaxes, your looking at $30,000 just in engines. You can buy a very nice suv for that amount. Then you only get 1500 to 2000 hours out of them.
Amazing!
Bigshot posted 01-10-2002 04:02 PM ET (US)
What puzzles me is how they get $7k for a 90hp outboard. It weighs 300lbs and made of crap potmetal. You can get a Kia with A/C and doors, wheels, airbags, etc for a few(literally) dollars more. A 9.9 Yamaha 4 stroke lists for $2,999. That is crazy, like $35/lb. That would make your avg midsize SUV cost $140,000.
lhg posted 01-10-2002 05:11 PM ET (US)
Dick - see my post in "Performance" under V-6 outboards. Those are valid, advertized prices from a major Dealership, but only slightly less than Bass Pro Shops Adventure World outlets, who they are competing with. A person in Seattle could save $2500 on each 225 Optimax by having it shipped from Florida for $200 shipping cost and no sales tax (another $1000 savings)! The Evinrude Ficht price is also ridiculous (I'm blaming Bombardier, not your dealership), considering they're trying to re-establish credibility. Those ought to be going for $11,000., and less than an Optimax or HPDI, to break back in to the market and prove reliability. And now the Optimax comes with a 5 year warranty, the Ficht only 2 years, and the Optimax has a better track record in the first place. Mercury and Yamaha are going to be tough competitors for Bombardier. It's a good thing they've got Genmar to force-feed their engine sales on their new boats.

But thanks for giving us those figures, though. It is very interesting to see prices from other parts of the country.
I have said for a long time, when you want to buy anything "Marine", buy it in Florida. Competition down there is brutal. When you want to sell anything "Marine", sell it up North!
NEVER SCARED posted 01-10-2002 05:42 PM ET (US)
I think it would be great if all of us outboard users keep our 2-strokes running as long as possible, even rebuild. This would send a knock out message that their prices are CRAZY!! All it would take is one boating season of very low sales to get our point accross. I've looked under the cover of my v6 engine, I just dont see 10 grand under there.
SteveC posted 01-10-2002 07:28 PM ET (US)
A while back I checked the prices of Cummins diesel engines with the thought of buying a boat and re-powering. They cost about the same as the big outboards and use about half the fuel.
Steve Leone posted 01-10-2002 08:38 PM ET (US)
How about an outboard with a turbine? Don`t laugh its been done. Yanmar tried a diesel outboard but that went over like a lead ballon. I believe there was a 26hp and 37hp on the Yanmar. Someone here had a Whaler for sale with a 3cyl Nissan in front of a Volvo drive. I do not know if this was a factory application though. Give the industry some time. Prices on four strokes will come down. Remember those old VCR`s when they came out.... Steve out.
Dick posted 01-10-2002 10:16 PM ET (US)
Saw my first Yamaha 225 4 stk today. A pair came in for one of the County boats. Couldn't believe the size of them. When they get mounted I'll report back on the performance.

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Author	Topic: Prices for our toys
Dick	posted 01-09-2002 10:10 PM ET (US) I am helping out at the Seattle boat show and spent today building price books for the show. Mercury/Johnson/Evinrude/Yamaha/E-Z Load & Carnai (the old Calkins trailer co.). Been out of touch with this side of the industry for a few years. Trailer prices haven't changed much but outboards have gone through the celing. Boat show prices Yamaha 225/4stk $15,800.00 Yamaha 225 efi/2stk $12,344.00 Merc 225 Opti $14,911.00 Rude Ficht 225 $15,422.00 Bought my first house for a lot less than those kickers and our markup for the show is next to nothing.
Tsuriki BW	posted 01-10-2002 12:12 AM ET (US) Dick, For comparison: 1999 Dauntless 14 (4 months old), windshield with rail, bow cushion, cooler with cushion. 1999 75 hp T/T Carb Merc 2 stroke 21p Trophy II SS Prop Aluminum Aux motor bracket Garmin 126 GPS Humminbird Wide Paramount 3D FF Standard Eclipse + VHF Shakespear 4'Antenna Heavy duty Caulkins trailer (will fit even a Dauntless 16) Purchased in Feb 2000, $15,500.... Less than a single Yamaha 225 4 stroke engine!!!! (even 2 years ago). WOW..... See ya at the show.. Tsuriki
NEVER SCARED	posted 01-10-2002 03:57 PM ET (US) Totally outrageous!!! What the hell are they thinking with these numbers? So when you see a 28 footer with twin 225 Optimaxes, your looking at $30,000 just in engines. You can buy a very nice suv for that amount. Then you only get 1500 to 2000 hours out of them. Amazing!
Bigshot	posted 01-10-2002 04:02 PM ET (US) What puzzles me is how they get $7k for a 90hp outboard. It weighs 300lbs and made of crap potmetal. You can get a Kia with A/C and doors, wheels, airbags, etc for a few(literally) dollars more. A 9.9 Yamaha 4 stroke lists for $2,999. That is crazy, like $35/lb. That would make your avg midsize SUV cost $140,000.
lhg	posted 01-10-2002 05:11 PM ET (US) Dick - see my post in "Performance" under V-6 outboards. Those are valid, advertized prices from a major Dealership, but only slightly less than Bass Pro Shops Adventure World outlets, who they are competing with. A person in Seattle could save $2500 on each 225 Optimax by having it shipped from Florida for $200 shipping cost and no sales tax (another $1000 savings)! The Evinrude Ficht price is also ridiculous (I'm blaming Bombardier, not your dealership), considering they're trying to re-establish credibility. Those ought to be going for $11,000., and less than an Optimax or HPDI, to break back in to the market and prove reliability. And now the Optimax comes with a 5 year warranty, the Ficht only 2 years, and the Optimax has a better track record in the first place. Mercury and Yamaha are going to be tough competitors for Bombardier. It's a good thing they've got Genmar to force-feed their engine sales on their new boats. But thanks for giving us those figures, though. It is very interesting to see prices from other parts of the country. I have said for a long time, when you want to buy anything "Marine", buy it in Florida. Competition down there is brutal. When you want to sell anything "Marine", sell it up North!
NEVER SCARED	posted 01-10-2002 05:42 PM ET (US) I think it would be great if all of us outboard users keep our 2-strokes running as long as possible, even rebuild. This would send a knock out message that their prices are CRAZY!! All it would take is one boating season of very low sales to get our point accross. I've looked under the cover of my v6 engine, I just dont see 10 grand under there.
SteveC	posted 01-10-2002 07:28 PM ET (US) A while back I checked the prices of Cummins diesel engines with the thought of buying a boat and re-powering. They cost about the same as the big outboards and use about half the fuel.
Steve Leone	posted 01-10-2002 08:38 PM ET (US) How about an outboard with a turbine? Don`t laugh its been done. Yanmar tried a diesel outboard but that went over like a lead ballon. I believe there was a 26hp and 37hp on the Yanmar. Someone here had a Whaler for sale with a 3cyl Nissan in front of a Volvo drive. I do not know if this was a factory application though. Give the industry some time. Prices on four strokes will come down. Remember those old VCR`s when they came out.... Steve out.
Dick	posted 01-10-2002 10:16 PM ET (US) Saw my first Yamaha 225 4 stk today. A pair came in for one of the County boats. Couldn't believe the size of them. When they get mounted I'll report back on the performance.