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MikeG posted 01-14-2002 12:32 AM ET (US)
Has anyone heard more information? It sounds like the CG 24 Whaler was hit by a 65'pleasure boat, tossed the crew and eventually ran into a docked boat down near Miami. It sounds like the crew will recover. I wonder what the boat looks like after an event like that. Apparently it is still floating. Of course.
http://www.miami.com/herald/partners/yahoo/digdocs/003765.htm
triblet posted 01-14-2002 08:46 AM ET (US)
It's not clear who hit who.
And the CG crew wasn't wearing a kill switch
lanyard and the whaler ran around for a while
hitting a third boat twice.

Chuck
sorcerer posted 01-14-2002 09:24 AM ET (US)

Details emerging in crash of vessels
http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/dade/digdocs/073668.htm
Appears the CG boat hit the tour boat!
Maybe a couple of Petty officers are going to have to do a bit of explaining.
blackdog posted 01-14-2002 09:32 AM ET (US)
Can you say "Captain's Mast"
triblet posted 01-14-2002 07:42 PM ET (US)
Note that the non-CG boat was not some
displacement hull trawler:
http://www.islandqueencruises.com/blaster.htm
Chuck
alvispollard posted 01-15-2002 03:41 AM ET (US)
First read about this accident on www.thehulltruth.com It is interesting to see how some people are still learning about the unsinkable whaler. Does anyone have a picture of the 24' Coast Guard whaler involved in this accident? The above mentioned boater website is one that I enjoy along with continuouswave. I wish continuouswave had a "search" option like this site.
Tight lines and safe boating.
jimh posted 01-15-2002 09:10 AM ET (US)
Even the Coast Guard can have an accident. This one does not sound too serious.
Probably the worst CG casualty was the loss of the 180-foot MESQUITE a few years ago in Lake Superior. It was removing Aids to Navigation in the Keeweenaw peninsula area. Late one night after pulling a buoy that marked a shoal, it drifted for some time while securing the buoy on deck, then steamed right over the shoal! The ship foundered on the rocks and was beat by several weeks of storms before being declared a total loss.
It was (and probably still is) the largest CG vessel casualty. The incident was career-ending for the skipper and chief engineer (who failed to act effectively in managing the initial damage).
The vessel was later salvaged and sunk as a dive site.
See http://www.filias.net/mesquite/ for some interesting material.
jimp posted 01-15-2002 11:01 AM ET (US)
To add to the list of CG peacetime disasters:
1/28/80: CGC Blackthorn (WLB-391), 180-ft buoy tender, collided with M/V Capricorn in Tampa. 23 Coasties died.
10/20/78: CGC Cuyahoga (WIX 157), 125-ft training cutter, collided with M/V Santa Cruz II at the entrance to the Potomac River. 11 Coasties died.
12/7/68: CGC White Alder (WLM-541), 1333-ft buoy tender, collided with the M/V White Helena in the Mississippi River. 17 Coasties died.
jimh posted 01-15-2002 12:41 PM ET (US)
The MESQUITE must have been the biggest casualty in terms of size of ship; clearly it was not in terms of loss of life.
I was not aware of how many Coasties had been killed.
jimp posted 01-15-2002 05:32 PM ET (US)
Forgot to mention before...
When the Cuyahoga sank, she carried a 13-ft Whaler on her stern. When the ship sank to the bottom, the buoyancy of the Whaler broke the securing straps and the Whaler popped to the surface - where a few Coasties were able to climb aboard (the Whaler might have been upside down). It was dark and the Whaler very likely saved the lives of those Coasties. I don't think any had life jackets as there was no time to react before the collision. The Santa Cruz II struck the Cuyahoga squarely, just abaft the starboard beam and rolled her to port. Whaler later used this story in one of their late '70s - early '80s catalogs.
Ed Stone posted 01-16-2002 10:28 PM ET (US)
There is a memorial for the Blackthorn
at the approach to the skyway bridge on
the north side.I think the same ship that
crashed into the blackthorn also took out
the orginal span of the Skyway bridge.
Ed Stone
KeysNole posted 01-17-2002 02:03 AM ET (US)
Latest word on the local news down here is that it was pretty much a total screw-up by the CG. The NTSB is trying to protect the CG as much as they can. The main points I have noticed are:
-The NTSB says the CG's kill switch didn't work.
-The tour boat's captain was tested for drugs and found to be negative. The tests of the CG have not been released.
-The tour boat was doing 7 knots. The NTSB remarked how the Whaler's top speed was 35-38 knots, and that the boat was just coming off of a plane when it hit the tour boat.

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Author	Topic: CG Whaler crash in Miami
MikeG	posted 01-14-2002 12:32 AM ET (US) Has anyone heard more information? It sounds like the CG 24 Whaler was hit by a 65'pleasure boat, tossed the crew and eventually ran into a docked boat down near Miami. It sounds like the crew will recover. I wonder what the boat looks like after an event like that. Apparently it is still floating. Of course. http://www.miami.com/herald/partners/yahoo/digdocs/003765.htm
triblet	posted 01-14-2002 08:46 AM ET (US) It's not clear who hit who. And the CG crew wasn't wearing a kill switch lanyard and the whaler ran around for a while hitting a third boat twice. Chuck
sorcerer	posted 01-14-2002 09:24 AM ET (US) Details emerging in crash of vessels http://www.miami.com/herald/content/news/local/dade/digdocs/073668.htm Appears the CG boat hit the tour boat! Maybe a couple of Petty officers are going to have to do a bit of explaining.
blackdog	posted 01-14-2002 09:32 AM ET (US) Can you say "Captain's Mast"
triblet	posted 01-14-2002 07:42 PM ET (US) Note that the non-CG boat was not some displacement hull trawler: http://www.islandqueencruises.com/blaster.htm Chuck
alvispollard	posted 01-15-2002 03:41 AM ET (US) First read about this accident on www.thehulltruth.com It is interesting to see how some people are still learning about the unsinkable whaler. Does anyone have a picture of the 24' Coast Guard whaler involved in this accident? The above mentioned boater website is one that I enjoy along with continuouswave. I wish continuouswave had a "search" option like this site. Tight lines and safe boating.
jimh	posted 01-15-2002 09:10 AM ET (US) Even the Coast Guard can have an accident. This one does not sound too serious. Probably the worst CG casualty was the loss of the 180-foot MESQUITE a few years ago in Lake Superior. It was removing Aids to Navigation in the Keeweenaw peninsula area. Late one night after pulling a buoy that marked a shoal, it drifted for some time while securing the buoy on deck, then steamed right over the shoal! The ship foundered on the rocks and was beat by several weeks of storms before being declared a total loss. It was (and probably still is) the largest CG vessel casualty. The incident was career-ending for the skipper and chief engineer (who failed to act effectively in managing the initial damage). The vessel was later salvaged and sunk as a dive site. See http://www.filias.net/mesquite/ for some interesting material.
jimp	posted 01-15-2002 11:01 AM ET (US) To add to the list of CG peacetime disasters: 1/28/80: CGC Blackthorn (WLB-391), 180-ft buoy tender, collided with M/V Capricorn in Tampa. 23 Coasties died. 10/20/78: CGC Cuyahoga (WIX 157), 125-ft training cutter, collided with M/V Santa Cruz II at the entrance to the Potomac River. 11 Coasties died. 12/7/68: CGC White Alder (WLM-541), 1333-ft buoy tender, collided with the M/V White Helena in the Mississippi River. 17 Coasties died.
jimh	posted 01-15-2002 12:41 PM ET (US) The MESQUITE must have been the biggest casualty in terms of size of ship; clearly it was not in terms of loss of life. I was not aware of how many Coasties had been killed.
jimp	posted 01-15-2002 05:32 PM ET (US) Forgot to mention before... When the Cuyahoga sank, she carried a 13-ft Whaler on her stern. When the ship sank to the bottom, the buoyancy of the Whaler broke the securing straps and the Whaler popped to the surface - where a few Coasties were able to climb aboard (the Whaler might have been upside down). It was dark and the Whaler very likely saved the lives of those Coasties. I don't think any had life jackets as there was no time to react before the collision. The Santa Cruz II struck the Cuyahoga squarely, just abaft the starboard beam and rolled her to port. Whaler later used this story in one of their late '70s - early '80s catalogs.
Ed Stone	posted 01-16-2002 10:28 PM ET (US) There is a memorial for the Blackthorn at the approach to the skyway bridge on the north side.I think the same ship that crashed into the blackthorn also took out the orginal span of the Skyway bridge. Ed Stone
KeysNole	posted 01-17-2002 02:03 AM ET (US) Latest word on the local news down here is that it was pretty much a total screw-up by the CG. The NTSB is trying to protect the CG as much as they can. The main points I have noticed are: -The NTSB says the CG's kill switch didn't work. -The tour boat's captain was tested for drugs and found to be negative. The tests of the CG have not been released. -The tour boat was doing 7 knots. The NTSB remarked how the Whaler's top speed was 35-38 knots, and that the boat was just coming off of a plane when it hit the tour boat.