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Dick posted 01-15-2002 11:56 PM ET (US)
Check out the following web site and take a look at the fleet of Whalers they have.
www.joessalmonlodge.com
Click on "Equipment & Fishing Info" to get to the pics.
noswah posted 01-16-2002 08:13 AM ET (US)

I'm not sure which one I'd rather look at, all the whalers or all the salmon. At $400. per day and a limit of 8 salmon per day......
Hmmmmm that's $50. per fish. Guess I'll just have to fish downstream with the bears.
Bigshot posted 01-16-2002 09:49 AM ET (US)
It'll be like that salmon commercial..."look! an eagle!"
Jerry Townsend posted 01-16-2002 10:56 PM ET (US)
noswah - the 8 fish is the possession limit - the amount that you can take out of Canada. The daily limit is 4 fish as I recall. Regardless, those are nice fish - the kings (chinocks) will run upwards from 30 pounds and the coho are a bit smaller, but still very nice. ---- Jerry/Idaho
Dick posted 01-17-2002 12:35 AM ET (US)
Back in the late 60s and early 70s we used to catch fish like that on the Kenai river in Alaska. Then the guides moved in with 6 pack licenses, it went from days where you might only see a couple other boats on the river to where you couldn't find a place to fish. Isn't progress wonderful?
Dick
JFM posted 01-17-2002 08:50 AM ET (US)
That's a classic. The name is great, the fleet even better. Looks like a great place to visit. Regards, Jay
noswah posted 01-17-2002 09:12 AM ET (US)

Jerry, Your probably right I was just adding 4 Chinook and 4 Coho cause that's what their site said. I know smoked Coho was always one of my favorite things to eat. I think back in 70's the state of Michigan finally banned the sale of Coho in stores because of excess mercury content. If that's not a reason to clean up our rivers and lakes I don't know what is.
I think the rivers, lakes and streams are much cleaner in the Northwest, so those fish would probably be eating at it's best.
jimh posted 01-17-2002 01:43 PM ET (US)
I think the "ban" on sale of Salmon in stores in Michigan (if there is/was such a ban) probably has/had more to do with restrictions on the commercial sale of fish caught by fishermen with only sport fishing licenses.
In most of Lake Michigan now commercial fishing is regulated by an Indian Tribal council, not by the states that border the lake or by the federal government.
The tribal fishers (note politically correct new term for "fishermen") do sell their catch, often as smoked salmon.
Current health advisories from the State of Michigan do not "ban" the consumption of Lake Michigan salmon, but may have advisories on consumption by special groups, like pregnant women.
--jimh
noswah posted 01-17-2002 04:30 PM ET (US)

Jimh, You may find this interesting to read.
http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itgic/0399/ijge/gj-08.htm
It may have been a local thing, but I remember back in the 70's going to a store in North Muskegon to buy some smoked coho and was told they weren't allowed to sell it because of the mercury content.
lhg posted 01-17-2002 05:37 PM ET (US)
The problem with fish contamination (in fatter and older fish only, mostly Lake Trout, Brown Trout and 25# + Chinook salmon) in Lakes Michigan and Huron is not mercury, it's PCBs, which accumulate in the fatty tissue of the fish. Most of this came from our friends at OMC. Waukegan Harbor was one of the most PCB polluted bodies of water in the world. And it all ran into Lake Michigan.
I have always been under the assumption that because the salmon and trout are stocked from hatcheries, supported by fishing license fees, they were off limits to commercial fisherman, and only for the recreational catch. It had nothing to do with contaminants. The commercial nets would have quickly swept the lakes clean of any planted salmon, defeating their purpose and wrecking the recreational fishery. The whitefish nets still kill a lot of salmon and trout as a bycatch. Some of this fish is sold "under the counter".
Whitefish, which are a natural run fish, are quite fatty, and carry their share of contaminants, but are commercially caught and sold.
MilwaukeeWhaler posted 01-18-2002 12:00 PM ET (US)
I bet if you caught a King Salmon in northern Lake Michigan and cut off the the "belly meat" (bottom third) you would be fine. Just don't eat it every meal. A couple times a month is ok. I wonder what the PCB level would be if the fish was caught in the Chicago River? The DNR also monitors commercial netters. Not too many commercial boats left. When they outlawed the netting of Alewife that shut a lot of boats down. Some say the Alewife are eating all the perch fry. Also the Zebra mussles filter all the fry food out of the water making it tough for the little guys. The perch population is coming back however, but we did have a scare a few years ago.

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Author	Topic: Whaler Fleet
Dick	posted 01-15-2002 11:56 PM ET (US) Check out the following web site and take a look at the fleet of Whalers they have. www.joessalmonlodge.com Click on "Equipment & Fishing Info" to get to the pics.
noswah	posted 01-16-2002 08:13 AM ET (US) I'm not sure which one I'd rather look at, all the whalers or all the salmon. At $400. per day and a limit of 8 salmon per day...... Hmmmmm that's $50. per fish. Guess I'll just have to fish downstream with the bears.
Bigshot	posted 01-16-2002 09:49 AM ET (US) It'll be like that salmon commercial..."look! an eagle!"
Jerry Townsend	posted 01-16-2002 10:56 PM ET (US) noswah - the 8 fish is the possession limit - the amount that you can take out of Canada. The daily limit is 4 fish as I recall. Regardless, those are nice fish - the kings (chinocks) will run upwards from 30 pounds and the coho are a bit smaller, but still very nice. ---- Jerry/Idaho
Dick	posted 01-17-2002 12:35 AM ET (US) Back in the late 60s and early 70s we used to catch fish like that on the Kenai river in Alaska. Then the guides moved in with 6 pack licenses, it went from days where you might only see a couple other boats on the river to where you couldn't find a place to fish. Isn't progress wonderful? Dick
JFM	posted 01-17-2002 08:50 AM ET (US) That's a classic. The name is great, the fleet even better. Looks like a great place to visit. Regards, Jay
noswah	posted 01-17-2002 09:12 AM ET (US) Jerry, Your probably right I was just adding 4 Chinook and 4 Coho cause that's what their site said. I know smoked Coho was always one of my favorite things to eat. I think back in 70's the state of Michigan finally banned the sale of Coho in stores because of excess mercury content. If that's not a reason to clean up our rivers and lakes I don't know what is. I think the rivers, lakes and streams are much cleaner in the Northwest, so those fish would probably be eating at it's best.
jimh	posted 01-17-2002 01:43 PM ET (US) I think the "ban" on sale of Salmon in stores in Michigan (if there is/was such a ban) probably has/had more to do with restrictions on the commercial sale of fish caught by fishermen with only sport fishing licenses. In most of Lake Michigan now commercial fishing is regulated by an Indian Tribal council, not by the states that border the lake or by the federal government. The tribal fishers (note politically correct new term for "fishermen") do sell their catch, often as smoked salmon. Current health advisories from the State of Michigan do not "ban" the consumption of Lake Michigan salmon, but may have advisories on consumption by special groups, like pregnant women. --jimh
noswah	posted 01-17-2002 04:30 PM ET (US) Jimh, You may find this interesting to read. http://usinfo.state.gov/journals/itgic/0399/ijge/gj-08.htm It may have been a local thing, but I remember back in the 70's going to a store in North Muskegon to buy some smoked coho and was told they weren't allowed to sell it because of the mercury content.
lhg	posted 01-17-2002 05:37 PM ET (US) The problem with fish contamination (in fatter and older fish only, mostly Lake Trout, Brown Trout and 25# + Chinook salmon) in Lakes Michigan and Huron is not mercury, it's PCBs, which accumulate in the fatty tissue of the fish. Most of this came from our friends at OMC. Waukegan Harbor was one of the most PCB polluted bodies of water in the world. And it all ran into Lake Michigan. I have always been under the assumption that because the salmon and trout are stocked from hatcheries, supported by fishing license fees, they were off limits to commercial fisherman, and only for the recreational catch. It had nothing to do with contaminants. The commercial nets would have quickly swept the lakes clean of any planted salmon, defeating their purpose and wrecking the recreational fishery. The whitefish nets still kill a lot of salmon and trout as a bycatch. Some of this fish is sold "under the counter". Whitefish, which are a natural run fish, are quite fatty, and carry their share of contaminants, but are commercially caught and sold.
MilwaukeeWhaler	posted 01-18-2002 12:00 PM ET (US) I bet if you caught a King Salmon in northern Lake Michigan and cut off the the "belly meat" (bottom third) you would be fine. Just don't eat it every meal. A couple times a month is ok. I wonder what the PCB level would be if the fish was caught in the Chicago River? The DNR also monitors commercial netters. Not too many commercial boats left. When they outlawed the netting of Alewife that shut a lot of boats down. Some say the Alewife are eating all the perch fry. Also the Zebra mussles filter all the fry food out of the water making it tough for the little guys. The perch population is coming back however, but we did have a scare a few years ago.