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peteinsf posted 03-05-2002 06:59 PM ET (US)
I sold my Montauk!
Inspired by DIVE 1 and thinking that my 17 was too cluttered I bought one of these…
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Pic-4
Pic-5
I am looking for cool rigging ideas from the group!
My only requirement will be to move the console forward; from my Montauk experiences the operator would be standing the “Wet Spot” in any seas.
The only oddity (that I didn’t see) is that the power/control and steering lay on the deck (their coiled up now), the tunnel is not used, although it’s in there.
This should be a fun project; no idea will be too crazy (no weapons)
Pete

peteinsf posted 03-05-2002 07:16 PM ET (US)
Yes it is, I called him and made an offline deal.
DIVE 1 posted 03-05-2002 08:29 PM ET (US)
Pete,
Great purchase! I looked at the boat on e-bay and thought the hull looked pretty decent.
The cables may be on the floor because the console may not be on the forward tunnel opening. The first thing I would look at is to remove the sideboards from the trailer. They marr the hull finish if you get into them too aggresively. If you are a skier, you have the best ski pylon than I have seen on any BW:)
Jim
Alan Hiccock posted 03-05-2002 08:49 PM ET (US)
Lucky you, I saw it on E bay and almost wish I didn't just buy my Whaler couple weeks ago. That thing is 2 X the thickness of a reg., Whaler which means 5 x the thickness of a regular boat.
Whats the HP rating and does it have gun tarots & did it come with any M-16's??
{Excuse me if tarots is not even a word, I think it is though.} also..
did you look @ it first, was it ever bottom painted or restored? Just curious cha know?,
sorry for all the Q.'s, alan
Capt. Alan
hardensheetmetal posted 03-05-2002 08:53 PM ET (US)
Pete-
Just curious what power arrangement you may have worked out with him? I read the list of motors he was trying to sell with it, I like the sound of the twin 70's myself, although being a CPD boat, I am sure it could take much more.
Dan
peteinsf posted 03-05-2002 08:54 PM ET (US)
Jim,
I thought that too, but I found out they remove the consoles and stack the boats on top of each other for deployment with a stacking bracket that fits in the four "lifting pads". My guess is the need to remove the consoles quickly cables and all. Four pins and lift! Boating US Marines style. I was also told that the side rails are primarily used for lifting the boat off the beach (and hiding it in the brush) the inflating tootsie rolls there sitting on can be used to support the boat up coastal terrine, like pushing pyramid blocks on logs. Of course this is all second hand, maybe some ex-assault Marine will show up!
peteinsf posted 03-05-2002 08:59 PM ET (US)
It rated at 150 like an normal 18'. I'm going to put a single Merc 200 on it. I found two that match my 25's single so I can have a twin on the 25 and have one extra for this beast! I think my story will be "I had an extra motor so I had to buy a boat to go with it".
witness posted 03-05-2002 09:08 PM ET (US)
SWEET RIDE... I want one! and great pictures. thank you for sharing!
David Ratusnik posted 03-05-2002 09:36 PM ET (US)
Saw a fleet (approx. 6) of these boats last summer at New Port Marina, Port Canaveral FLA training. 2 Whalers (head guys), 3/4 Zodiacs- all laying on top of each other. Marines. Running commercial Johnsons, forget hp. Watched them for several hours over approx 5/6 days-- young men with purpose. Go get'm and God Bless. David
lhg posted 03-06-2002 09:35 PM ET (US)
I remember when Whaler announced the order of those 18's from the Navy (Marines). I think they bought about 100 of them, to be used as beach landing craft. I thought they were all made in dark gray gelcoat.
peteinsf posted 03-08-2002 12:13 PM ET (US)
It's reported as being dark gray, the USMC painted them olive. The guy I bought it from painted the hull "because he couldn't match the gel-coat color" but gel-coated the inside some other color, Go figure? In any case I can see the work in going to be what to do with the hull coating(s). He said the paint job was not that great and would recommend another coat (if that is what I want to do). He did use a high end hull paint in a spray box so I am shue it will be a pain to remove. I just have to remember that this is the fun part and it can be as bad as DIVE 1...
Jim (DIVE 1), who made your red paint? and would you do that again?
DIVE 1 posted 03-12-2002 08:29 PM ET (US)
Pete,
The red paint on DIVE 1 is PPG Concept automotive paint. We primed with Awlgrip primer 6 times and hand blocked between coats. The hull was then sprayed with DP74 sealer prior to spraying the red topcoats. If you use Concept paint ensure you use the correct PPG hardener and reducer for your application. We are very happy with the results of our efforts and would use the same paint again. Touch-up is accomplished with a model brush and the paint seems to flow smooth during application.
Jim
DIVE 1 posted 03-13-2002 08:39 PM ET (US)
Forgot to mention - no waxing required. Paint does not fade or chalk.
peteinsf posted 12-11-2002 12:24 AM ET (US)
A quick update, I started rigging and have two problems. One is the Merc-200 will not fit between the crash-bar and the transom.
The second (minor) is that the Merc control binnacle is larger then the cutout for whatever Marines installed. I would like to use an industrial looking binnacle to keep that military look and feel (any suggestions?).
I will have to cut (or "un-weld") the crash bar off and have someone extend it. For the controls I know the merc box uses a larger cutout then the OMC box. Does a Morse box use the same size hole as an OMC?
Everything is tooo big
jimh posted 12-11-2002 09:00 AM ET (US)
[Fixed the many broken URL and cleaned up thread. Love those military pictures.--jimh]
roofer posted 12-11-2002 10:05 AM ET (US)
Hey my 18 outrage is rated for 8 people I see 10 in the first photo. Just something I noticed.
The boats look awesome enjoy!!!!
Dave Murray posted 12-11-2002 11:02 AM ET (US)
Pete- if you don't mind, what price did you get it for- also the shipping cost...Thanks Dave Murray
peteinsf posted 12-11-2002 12:07 PM ET (US)
Dave the hull and trailer worked out to be $6500, I recall the shipping was aprox $1300.
I bought a number of other parts and motors from him so how much for each item was not exact.
I also bought a Guardian console from Mike Cole (mcole) that was shipped back on the foredeck.
It was funny Mike won an auction for a recovered stolen Montauk on Oregon at the same time and his old console and new boat pasts in the night... Sweet clean Montauk too, only thing missing was the stern eyes ($3200/w trailer).
Pete
DIVE 1 posted 12-11-2002 06:36 PM ET (US)
Pete,
A good welding shop should be able to extend your crash bar. I have seen 1 1/2" and 2" aluminum pipe used for the crash bars and tow posts.
Is it possible to cut the hole larger for your merc control?
Jim
peteinsf posted 12-11-2002 06:47 PM ET (US)
Jim,
I could enlarge the hole, but the Merc dual control looks very "plastic". I thought a Morse all metal would match the boat better.
My Montauk had a Morse single lever with the round knob that would look cool on her. It looks like the boat had an OMC dual on it originally, I am hoping a Morse doesn't use a smaller opening then is already there for the OMC.
Pete
Tom W Clark posted 01-01-2003 05:12 PM ET (US)
Just a follow up on the first three Raider photos Pete has linked to above. They were photographed by Second Division Combat Camera Sergeant Tim LeMaster.
j_h_nimrod posted 01-02-2003 05:21 PM ET (US)
With the single are you going to fill the scupper in the center of the transom? Looks like a lot of fun! Keep us posted.
peteinsf posted 01-02-2003 05:57 PM ET (US)
JH,
I ordered a 5" setback bracket from land-and-sea that is hollow in the middle. Since the motor will not fit inside the crashbar anyway the bracket will have its setback advantanges plus I will not have to fill that void...
Pete
Vince posted 04-27-2005 05:59 PM ET (US)
Just replaced throttles on a Privateer w/ a pair of 90 Johnsons with a Morse binnacle mount dual lever. Opening is close, with just a minor amount of alteration. Just remember to order the neutral safety swith kit.(optional on some Morse models.)
Knot at Work posted 04-30-2005 08:12 AM ET (US)
For what it is worth. That Cammo pattern of the Battle Dress is NOT US Marine Corps. I suspect the whalers are part of a Mil to Mil training. The Black Berets and Cammo are probably Polish, Danish or Lithuanian troops. If I could see the weapons they were carrying I could be more precise.
Common for us to train the military of other fledging countries.
Side note the US Army is a bigger navy than the US Navy. When you consider the small craft. These are Army operated small craft.
John O posted 04-30-2005 11:29 AM ET (US)
Vince,
Any pictures that Privateer? Always liked the Renegade.
jimh posted 04-30-2005 12:15 PM ET (US)
Readers should note that this article thread begins three years ago. I don't quite follow the link from the initial discussion to its recent revival by Vince.
Generally, I don't find revival of three-year-old discussions to be the best way to re-introduce a topic for further discussion. It is better to start a new discussion and perhaps include a pointer to the old one.
To implement that policy, I will close this three-year-old thread to further articles.

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Author	Topic: I sold my Montauk and bought this....
peteinsf	posted 03-05-2002 06:59 PM ET (US) I sold my Montauk! Inspired by DIVE 1 and thinking that my 17 was too cluttered I bought one of these… Pic-1 Pic-2 Pic-3 Pic-4 Pic-5 I am looking for cool rigging ideas from the group! My only requirement will be to move the console forward; from my Montauk experiences the operator would be standing the “Wet Spot” in any seas. The only oddity (that I didn’t see) is that the power/control and steering lay on the deck (their coiled up now), the tunnel is not used, although it’s in there. This should be a fun project; no idea will be too crazy (no weapons) Pete
peteinsf	posted 03-05-2002 07:16 PM ET (US) Yes it is, I called him and made an offline deal.
DIVE 1	posted 03-05-2002 08:29 PM ET (US) Pete, Great purchase! I looked at the boat on e-bay and thought the hull looked pretty decent. The cables may be on the floor because the console may not be on the forward tunnel opening. The first thing I would look at is to remove the sideboards from the trailer. They marr the hull finish if you get into them too aggresively. If you are a skier, you have the best ski pylon than I have seen on any BW:) Jim
Alan Hiccock	posted 03-05-2002 08:49 PM ET (US) Lucky you, I saw it on E bay and almost wish I didn't just buy my Whaler couple weeks ago. That thing is 2 X the thickness of a reg., Whaler which means 5 x the thickness of a regular boat. Whats the HP rating and does it have gun tarots & did it come with any M-16's?? {Excuse me if tarots is not even a word, I think it is though.} also.. did you look @ it first, was it ever bottom painted or restored? Just curious cha know?, sorry for all the Q.'s, alan Capt. Alan
hardensheetmetal	posted 03-05-2002 08:53 PM ET (US) Pete- Just curious what power arrangement you may have worked out with him? I read the list of motors he was trying to sell with it, I like the sound of the twin 70's myself, although being a CPD boat, I am sure it could take much more. Dan
peteinsf	posted 03-05-2002 08:54 PM ET (US) Jim, I thought that too, but I found out they remove the consoles and stack the boats on top of each other for deployment with a stacking bracket that fits in the four "lifting pads". My guess is the need to remove the consoles quickly cables and all. Four pins and lift! Boating US Marines style. I was also told that the side rails are primarily used for lifting the boat off the beach (and hiding it in the brush) the inflating tootsie rolls there sitting on can be used to support the boat up coastal terrine, like pushing pyramid blocks on logs. Of course this is all second hand, maybe some ex-assault Marine will show up!
peteinsf	posted 03-05-2002 08:59 PM ET (US) It rated at 150 like an normal 18'. I'm going to put a single Merc 200 on it. I found two that match my 25's single so I can have a twin on the 25 and have one extra for this beast! I think my story will be "I had an extra motor so I had to buy a boat to go with it".
witness	posted 03-05-2002 09:08 PM ET (US) SWEET RIDE... I want one! and great pictures. thank you for sharing!
David Ratusnik	posted 03-05-2002 09:36 PM ET (US) Saw a fleet (approx. 6) of these boats last summer at New Port Marina, Port Canaveral FLA training. 2 Whalers (head guys), 3/4 Zodiacs- all laying on top of each other. Marines. Running commercial Johnsons, forget hp. Watched them for several hours over approx 5/6 days-- young men with purpose. Go get'm and God Bless. David
lhg	posted 03-06-2002 09:35 PM ET (US) I remember when Whaler announced the order of those 18's from the Navy (Marines). I think they bought about 100 of them, to be used as beach landing craft. I thought they were all made in dark gray gelcoat.
peteinsf	posted 03-08-2002 12:13 PM ET (US) It's reported as being dark gray, the USMC painted them olive. The guy I bought it from painted the hull "because he couldn't match the gel-coat color" but gel-coated the inside some other color, Go figure? In any case I can see the work in going to be what to do with the hull coating(s). He said the paint job was not that great and would recommend another coat (if that is what I want to do). He did use a high end hull paint in a spray box so I am shue it will be a pain to remove. I just have to remember that this is the fun part and it can be as bad as DIVE 1... Jim (DIVE 1), who made your red paint? and would you do that again?
DIVE 1	posted 03-12-2002 08:29 PM ET (US) Pete, The red paint on DIVE 1 is PPG Concept automotive paint. We primed with Awlgrip primer 6 times and hand blocked between coats. The hull was then sprayed with DP74 sealer prior to spraying the red topcoats. If you use Concept paint ensure you use the correct PPG hardener and reducer for your application. We are very happy with the results of our efforts and would use the same paint again. Touch-up is accomplished with a model brush and the paint seems to flow smooth during application. Jim
DIVE 1	posted 03-13-2002 08:39 PM ET (US) Forgot to mention - no waxing required. Paint does not fade or chalk.
peteinsf	posted 12-11-2002 12:24 AM ET (US) A quick update, I started rigging and have two problems. One is the Merc-200 will not fit between the crash-bar and the transom. The second (minor) is that the Merc control binnacle is larger then the cutout for whatever Marines installed. I would like to use an industrial looking binnacle to keep that military look and feel (any suggestions?). I will have to cut (or "un-weld") the crash bar off and have someone extend it. For the controls I know the merc box uses a larger cutout then the OMC box. Does a Morse box use the same size hole as an OMC? Everything is tooo big
jimh	posted 12-11-2002 09:00 AM ET (US) [Fixed the many broken URL and cleaned up thread. Love those military pictures.--jimh]
roofer	posted 12-11-2002 10:05 AM ET (US) Hey my 18 outrage is rated for 8 people I see 10 in the first photo. Just something I noticed. The boats look awesome enjoy!!!!
Dave Murray	posted 12-11-2002 11:02 AM ET (US) Pete- if you don't mind, what price did you get it for- also the shipping cost...Thanks Dave Murray
peteinsf	posted 12-11-2002 12:07 PM ET (US) Dave the hull and trailer worked out to be $6500, I recall the shipping was aprox $1300. I bought a number of other parts and motors from him so how much for each item was not exact. I also bought a Guardian console from Mike Cole (mcole) that was shipped back on the foredeck. It was funny Mike won an auction for a recovered stolen Montauk on Oregon at the same time and his old console and new boat pasts in the night... Sweet clean Montauk too, only thing missing was the stern eyes ($3200/w trailer). Pete
DIVE 1	posted 12-11-2002 06:36 PM ET (US) Pete, A good welding shop should be able to extend your crash bar. I have seen 1 1/2" and 2" aluminum pipe used for the crash bars and tow posts. Is it possible to cut the hole larger for your merc control? Jim
peteinsf	posted 12-11-2002 06:47 PM ET (US) Jim, I could enlarge the hole, but the Merc dual control looks very "plastic". I thought a Morse all metal would match the boat better. My Montauk had a Morse single lever with the round knob that would look cool on her. It looks like the boat had an OMC dual on it originally, I am hoping a Morse doesn't use a smaller opening then is already there for the OMC. Pete
Tom W Clark	posted 01-01-2003 05:12 PM ET (US) Just a follow up on the first three Raider photos Pete has linked to above. They were photographed by Second Division Combat Camera Sergeant Tim LeMaster.
j_h_nimrod	posted 01-02-2003 05:21 PM ET (US) With the single are you going to fill the scupper in the center of the transom? Looks like a lot of fun! Keep us posted.
peteinsf	posted 01-02-2003 05:57 PM ET (US) JH, I ordered a 5" setback bracket from land-and-sea that is hollow in the middle. Since the motor will not fit inside the crashbar anyway the bracket will have its setback advantanges plus I will not have to fill that void... Pete
Vince	posted 04-27-2005 05:59 PM ET (US) Just replaced throttles on a Privateer w/ a pair of 90 Johnsons with a Morse binnacle mount dual lever. Opening is close, with just a minor amount of alteration. Just remember to order the neutral safety swith kit.(optional on some Morse models.)
Knot at Work	posted 04-30-2005 08:12 AM ET (US) For what it is worth. That Cammo pattern of the Battle Dress is NOT US Marine Corps. I suspect the whalers are part of a Mil to Mil training. The Black Berets and Cammo are probably Polish, Danish or Lithuanian troops. If I could see the weapons they were carrying I could be more precise. Common for us to train the military of other fledging countries. Side note the US Army is a bigger navy than the US Navy. When you consider the small craft. These are Army operated small craft.
John O	posted 04-30-2005 11:29 AM ET (US) Vince, Any pictures that Privateer? Always liked the Renegade.
jimh	posted 04-30-2005 12:15 PM ET (US) Readers should note that this article thread begins three years ago. I don't quite follow the link from the initial discussion to its recent revival by Vince. Generally, I don't find revival of three-year-old discussions to be the best way to re-introduce a topic for further discussion. It is better to start a new discussion and perhaps include a pointer to the old one. To implement that policy, I will close this three-year-old thread to further articles.