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billh2002 posted 03-10-2002 08:38 PM ET (US)
i bought a 17' whaler 1978 sport, totally in pieces,everything original,no cables.the steering is marked"bigT" which is, i believe teleflex.it has the original morse single lever,duel function control. i rebuilt the console exactly like the original{steering wheel in the center of the boat,binnacle controls just to the right.was told it came w. a 70hp evinrude. i hung a new 2001 70hp yamaha on the back.the boat has a center"pipe" running just under the deck from just forward of the transom to the forward seat[right in front of the steering wheel] which i was told is for running all the wiring and control cables. is this correct? does anyone have the measurements for the steering,throttle and shift cable? or, if not, can anyone give me ideas for measuring-especially the steering cable,as the books alays give you the way to measure around the side of the boat. it seems to me that, specifically the steering cable would be taking a strange bend when you route it thru this pipe.also wouldn't it be sitting in water alot? lastly does anyone know if i need any special fittings to go from morse to yamaha? i never did this job before so even obvious things would be a great help to me. thanks,bill
triblet posted 03-10-2002 09:55 PM ET (US)
Well, in my '97ish Montauk, the steering,
oil, battery cables, bilge pump wires, anchor
lite wires, and ignition switch wires all
run though the tunnel.
"Around the side of the boat" may be too
short. My steering (and everything that
goes to the engine runs (starting from the
engine) to the starboard side, back to the
middle, up the tunnel, out of the tunnel,
over the starboard side of the console, up
through the floor of the console, up the
side of the console, and over to the helm
on the port side of the console. Whew.
The over to the starboard side and back to
the tunnel is, I think, important to avoiding
strange bends.
You might try routing something stiff (good
garden hose) to get the length with nice
bit radius bends.
Chuck
captbobb posted 03-11-2002 11:00 AM ET (US)
Just complted the same project.
15 Ft Shift cables did the trick. Everything
routed thru the tunnel.
Chesapeake posted 03-11-2002 11:08 AM ET (US)
Bill:
I used to know this answer and recently gave it to someone asking the same question. I replace my steering system this year.
My best suggestion is to call Whaler. While Chuck can help you, you can also call Denise in Technical Service (386) 426-1400. You should use the same length that they use today on the Montauk. I think it is 18 foot. Steering systems are not that expensive. I replaced because the newer systems have the clutch mechanism so that you don't have to constantly fight the engine torque while underway. The catalog places have the entire system - helm unit and cable for around $150.
Everything does go through the tunnel and you should not worry about it. Just make certain that your wiring is waterproof and you seal your connections well. Also, there are some recent threads on this site about wiring tubes / nets. This is something that you might want to consider as it really gives a nice clean appearance by combining the manyt wires and cables into one black bundle.
In hindsight, I wished I had put a new morse control on my old whaler (for the look), but instead got the Yamaha controls because the Tilt and Trim was right on the throttle, which is convenient for trimming the motor while you are underway. A dash mounted switch leaves you with three things to do safely (wheel, throttle and trim), but just two hands to do it with and so I liked the convenience, especially if one of the kids are operating the boat.
billh2002 posted 03-12-2002 11:28 AM ET (US)
first, thanks for the GREAT posts! chesapeake you mentiones the new steering might be the way to go.i see the morse command rotary system for $130. is this one of those clutch systems like you mentioned?tks.bill
lhg posted 03-12-2002 03:58 PM ET (US)
You want the Teleflex No-feed back 4.2 rotary system.

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Author	Topic: steering,control cables for 17' 1978
billh2002	posted 03-10-2002 08:38 PM ET (US) i bought a 17' whaler 1978 sport, totally in pieces,everything original,no cables.the steering is marked"bigT" which is, i believe teleflex.it has the original morse single lever,duel function control. i rebuilt the console exactly like the original{steering wheel in the center of the boat,binnacle controls just to the right.was told it came w. a 70hp evinrude. i hung a new 2001 70hp yamaha on the back.the boat has a center"pipe" running just under the deck from just forward of the transom to the forward seat[right in front of the steering wheel] which i was told is for running all the wiring and control cables. is this correct? does anyone have the measurements for the steering,throttle and shift cable? or, if not, can anyone give me ideas for measuring-especially the steering cable,as the books alays give you the way to measure around the side of the boat. it seems to me that, specifically the steering cable would be taking a strange bend when you route it thru this pipe.also wouldn't it be sitting in water alot? lastly does anyone know if i need any special fittings to go from morse to yamaha? i never did this job before so even obvious things would be a great help to me. thanks,bill
triblet	posted 03-10-2002 09:55 PM ET (US) Well, in my '97ish Montauk, the steering, oil, battery cables, bilge pump wires, anchor lite wires, and ignition switch wires all run though the tunnel. "Around the side of the boat" may be too short. My steering (and everything that goes to the engine runs (starting from the engine) to the starboard side, back to the middle, up the tunnel, out of the tunnel, over the starboard side of the console, up through the floor of the console, up the side of the console, and over to the helm on the port side of the console. Whew. The over to the starboard side and back to the tunnel is, I think, important to avoiding strange bends. You might try routing something stiff (good garden hose) to get the length with nice bit radius bends. Chuck
captbobb	posted 03-11-2002 11:00 AM ET (US) Just complted the same project. 15 Ft Shift cables did the trick. Everything routed thru the tunnel.
Chesapeake	posted 03-11-2002 11:08 AM ET (US) Bill: I used to know this answer and recently gave it to someone asking the same question. I replace my steering system this year. My best suggestion is to call Whaler. While Chuck can help you, you can also call Denise in Technical Service (386) 426-1400. You should use the same length that they use today on the Montauk. I think it is 18 foot. Steering systems are not that expensive. I replaced because the newer systems have the clutch mechanism so that you don't have to constantly fight the engine torque while underway. The catalog places have the entire system - helm unit and cable for around $150. Everything does go through the tunnel and you should not worry about it. Just make certain that your wiring is waterproof and you seal your connections well. Also, there are some recent threads on this site about wiring tubes / nets. This is something that you might want to consider as it really gives a nice clean appearance by combining the manyt wires and cables into one black bundle. In hindsight, I wished I had put a new morse control on my old whaler (for the look), but instead got the Yamaha controls because the Tilt and Trim was right on the throttle, which is convenient for trimming the motor while you are underway. A dash mounted switch leaves you with three things to do safely (wheel, throttle and trim), but just two hands to do it with and so I liked the convenience, especially if one of the kids are operating the boat.
billh2002	posted 03-12-2002 11:28 AM ET (US) first, thanks for the GREAT posts! chesapeake you mentiones the new steering might be the way to go.i see the morse command rotary system for $130. is this one of those clutch systems like you mentioned?tks.bill
lhg	posted 03-12-2002 03:58 PM ET (US) You want the Teleflex No-feed back 4.2 rotary system.