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zpeed7 posted 03-21-2002 01:43 PM ET (US)
As always, and the same it has probbably happened to some of you, what started as a "simple" repair to a cracked deck has become a full restoration project. The problem started when a soft spot on the deck cracked open. After removing the floor, and a lot of WET foam, we traced the problem to cracked water bail tubing from the front bow locker. After consulting with the local BW dealer's repair guy I decided to re-engineer the structure. We're going to put 4 new glassed marine plywood stringers from bow to transom with 4 more crossed stringers on each side creating 4 boxes. Each box will be filled with foam and glassed over. A non removable floor will go over all this with a new custom self bailing cockpit. We came to this decision after realising that a foam job would never be as solid as the way it came from the factory. All teak will be replaced with Starboard (Sorry Tom W. Clark! ;- ) ). The seats are being replaced with a Todd leaning post to free up some space, as the boat will be used mainly for offshore fishing. I would like to hear any comments, helpful hints, ideas, or advice that you guys may have regarding the project. Also, if you guys want to, I could send fotos to JIM H and do kind of a step by step of the whole process. I won't be a 100 point rebuild, but I'll try to get as close as I can with the $$$ I have available.
On a related subject, I e-mailed Boston Whaler to ask for a replacement Rub Rail for the 1986 18 O/R, they answered that I had to go to my local BW dealer as they didn't sell factory direct. There's only one authorized BW dealer here in Puerto Rico, and they asked $395 for it, which seemed like a bit too much for me. Do you guys think this is a good price? Also I would greatly appreciate it, if anyone who visits their local BW dealer for some other reason, asks around for the price, to see if they're pulling my chain... Feel free to e-mail me.
Thanks in advance for any help and comments,
Guillermo
"zpeed7"
Mendez
guille92@prtc.net

Bigshot posted 03-21-2002 02:00 PM ET (US)
Can't comment on structure rebuilding but can say $395 installed is Ok because it is a bird of a job. Try Twin cities marine my Montauk rubrail which is the same as yours but a few feet shorter was only $110 delivered.
Chap posted 03-21-2002 02:29 PM ET (US)
Hello,
So your going to build yourself an Edgewater;). I like the old SeaCraft sinkers and visit their Classic site also on occasion.
www.seacraftclassic.com
Check out The Webmaster's 1969 20' cc. Pictures of what you are planning etc. I mention this because of his stringer application using a Carbosil mixture under the stringers. This will help prevent a "hard spot" on the hull bottom where your plywood would make direct contact with the interior glass bottom. Pascoe goes into this as a place of concern regarding exterior gelcoat cracking etc. and I have seen it in person on other hulls. The hard spot would provide a "hinge" area for the glass to flex and boom, cracks. There are currently no hinge areas in your hull. This may be of a concern to you even more so than the SeaCraft owner due to the thin nature of the Whaler's exterior skin. Maybe some extra large tabbing also to distribute exterior stresses as you are going against the design's intentions. Granted the span between stringers in your 18' boat may not allow for flexing but it could. You will of course add weight/trim issues etc. I have never attempted something like this but have watched others, so I am no expert here. Something to think about.
Good luck.
Chap
Chap posted 03-21-2002 02:32 PM ET (US)
Make that:
www.classicseacraft.com
Sorry.
zpeed7 posted 03-21-2002 11:55 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the Input....
zpeed7
jimh posted 03-25-2002 08:43 PM ET (US)
[Changed TOPIC; was (something too long!)--jimh/Moderator]
zpeed7 posted 04-18-2002 11:02 PM ET (US)
Bigshot,
I wanted to thank you. I ordered from Twin Cities marine and saved over $50...
Thanks again,
zpeed7
Bigshot posted 04-19-2002 10:22 AM ET (US)
You are welcome......have a nice day!

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Author	Topic: 18-Outrage: Rebuild?
zpeed7	posted 03-21-2002 01:43 PM ET (US) As always, and the same it has probbably happened to some of you, what started as a "simple" repair to a cracked deck has become a full restoration project. The problem started when a soft spot on the deck cracked open. After removing the floor, and a lot of WET foam, we traced the problem to cracked water bail tubing from the front bow locker. After consulting with the local BW dealer's repair guy I decided to re-engineer the structure. We're going to put 4 new glassed marine plywood stringers from bow to transom with 4 more crossed stringers on each side creating 4 boxes. Each box will be filled with foam and glassed over. A non removable floor will go over all this with a new custom self bailing cockpit. We came to this decision after realising that a foam job would never be as solid as the way it came from the factory. All teak will be replaced with Starboard (Sorry Tom W. Clark! ;- ) ). The seats are being replaced with a Todd leaning post to free up some space, as the boat will be used mainly for offshore fishing. I would like to hear any comments, helpful hints, ideas, or advice that you guys may have regarding the project. Also, if you guys want to, I could send fotos to JIM H and do kind of a step by step of the whole process. I won't be a 100 point rebuild, but I'll try to get as close as I can with the $$$ I have available. On a related subject, I e-mailed Boston Whaler to ask for a replacement Rub Rail for the 1986 18 O/R, they answered that I had to go to my local BW dealer as they didn't sell factory direct. There's only one authorized BW dealer here in Puerto Rico, and they asked $395 for it, which seemed like a bit too much for me. Do you guys think this is a good price? Also I would greatly appreciate it, if anyone who visits their local BW dealer for some other reason, asks around for the price, to see if they're pulling my chain... Feel free to e-mail me. Thanks in advance for any help and comments, Guillermo "zpeed7" Mendez guille92@prtc.net
Bigshot	posted 03-21-2002 02:00 PM ET (US) Can't comment on structure rebuilding but can say $395 installed is Ok because it is a bird of a job. Try Twin cities marine my Montauk rubrail which is the same as yours but a few feet shorter was only $110 delivered.
Chap	posted 03-21-2002 02:29 PM ET (US) Hello, So your going to build yourself an Edgewater;). I like the old SeaCraft sinkers and visit their Classic site also on occasion. www.seacraftclassic.com Check out The Webmaster's 1969 20' cc. Pictures of what you are planning etc. I mention this because of his stringer application using a Carbosil mixture under the stringers. This will help prevent a "hard spot" on the hull bottom where your plywood would make direct contact with the interior glass bottom. Pascoe goes into this as a place of concern regarding exterior gelcoat cracking etc. and I have seen it in person on other hulls. The hard spot would provide a "hinge" area for the glass to flex and boom, cracks. There are currently no hinge areas in your hull. This may be of a concern to you even more so than the SeaCraft owner due to the thin nature of the Whaler's exterior skin. Maybe some extra large tabbing also to distribute exterior stresses as you are going against the design's intentions. Granted the span between stringers in your 18' boat may not allow for flexing but it could. You will of course add weight/trim issues etc. I have never attempted something like this but have watched others, so I am no expert here. Something to think about. Good luck. Chap
Chap	posted 03-21-2002 02:32 PM ET (US) Make that: www.classicseacraft.com Sorry.
zpeed7	posted 03-21-2002 11:55 PM ET (US) Thanks for the Input.... zpeed7
jimh	posted 03-25-2002 08:43 PM ET (US) [Changed TOPIC; was (something too long!)--jimh/Moderator]
zpeed7	posted 04-18-2002 11:02 PM ET (US) Bigshot, I wanted to thank you. I ordered from Twin Cities marine and saved over $50... Thanks again, zpeed7
Bigshot	posted 04-19-2002 10:22 AM ET (US) You are welcome......have a nice day!