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rsgwynn1 posted 06-21-2002 10:53 AM ET (US)
My 1983 Revenge Cuddy 22 has three drain plugs: one in the main bilge, one in the starboard rear small bilge (where my fuel lines and tank-selecter switch are, and one underneath the hull about 1/3 back from the bow. This one underneath is a pain--hard to get to and hard to keep in (lost one last night). What is this last one for? Where does the water come from? There always seems to be some in there after using the boat, but I suspect it's leaking at the plug.
Chris J posted 06-21-2002 11:39 AM ET (US)
It may be condensation. The cuddy has no insulation to speak of and in humid weather it may nearly rain in there. My boat also leaks at the forward hatch a little.
My guess is that almost any water anywhere in the cuddy will eventually make its way into that bilge compartment (after it soaks the cushions and sleeping bags, of course).
I have the same problem, but keep my boat on a lift so it isn't so bad. I just drain that bilge when the hull is out of the water. Draining it underway is definitely a hassle (and a 2 person job for sure).
As for why they have that drain, I guess it was a better idea than a limber hole into the rest of the bilge.
I'd suggest inspecting the drain tube carefully just to be on the safe side. If the tube is rotted near the top that may cause the drain to leak a bit, and doesn't do the hull any good either.
180 posted 06-21-2002 02:05 PM ET (US)
Sounds like you are lucky. I have 7 plugs to keep track of in my 1981 Revenge 22'. 4 of them are in the cabin.
The plug in the floor of the cabin shouldn't be that hard to get at. What type of plug are you using? I just switched from the "T" type to the Loop type and find the Loop type works much better (I don't know what the real names are).
Good luck - get that plug fixed!
kevin
Ready2Rip posted 06-21-2002 02:32 PM ET (US)
I am in the middle of trying to deal with this same problem in my '89 Revenge 22. There is a small hatch cover on the cuddy floor, and underneath is a bowl where water collects. There are 4 holes (about 1/4" diameter) that have been apparently drilled in the bottom to let water out. But where the water is supposed to go, I have no idea.
I called [tech assistance from Boston Whaler] for their advice, and they said that there was no common bilge area underneath this area. The holes were likely drilled by a previous owner that didn't know that there was foam underneath. They said that there should have been a bilge pump installed in this area from the factory, but the hose & electrical lines ran across the floor & up into the cockpit.
I keep trying to pump water out of this area, but the bowl always refills itself. I live in dry climate, so it must be coming up from the bottom. BW suggested using a dry-vac to remove as much water as possible & re-sealing it, but I'm not anxious to seal this off before I solve the mystery.
I spoke to another '89 Revenge 22 owner from this board, and he said that he has a thru-hull type fitting that connects to a hose that routes excess water into the bilge. That seems much cleaner than routing hoses & wires along the cabin floor. If anyone has any more insight on this, I'd much appreciate it.
Thanks in advance,
Mike
jimh posted 06-21-2002 07:55 PM ET (US)
First of all:
Revenge [Not]= Revenge Cuddy
They are two different models.
In a REVENGE, the cabin usually has four drains.
--1) In forward locker centerline
--2) In STBD locker
--3) In PORT locker
--4) In floor centerline in small sump well covered by teak hatch cover.
As far as I know, there was not an electric bilge pump mounted in drain #4 in the cuddy. As mentioned, running hoses from there for exhaust would be extremely awkward, as would running power into the sump for a pump.
As for extra holes drilled in that area, they are definitely not stock. Water should not collect there in normal use unless it sloshes into the cabin from the cockpit. It is possible for water to slosh into the cabin along the perimeter of the cockpit, as well as through the cabin door and stairwell.
rsgwynn1 posted 06-21-2002 07:58 PM ET (US)
Well, none of this is much help. Former owner installed a 30 gal. extra fuel tank in the cuddy floor, so whatever was underneath it is inacessible. Maybe I just need to clamp down harder on the drain plugs!
rsgwynn1 posted 06-21-2002 08:00 PM ET (US)
Well, none of this is much help. Former owner installed a 30 gal. extra fuel tank in the cuddy floor, so whatever was underneath it is inacessible. Maybe I just need to clamp down harder on the drain plugs!
Fishcop posted 06-22-2002 12:35 AM ET (US)
If I read this right, there is water collecting in the lowest "sump" area of the cabin. This area should have a thru-hull drain plug as described by jimh (four total in the cabin). This "sump" area tends to collect water from washdown and water on the deck. If left standing and unattended, the water rots the thru-hull faster and can allow water to enter the hull. This same thing happened to one of the boats I use. When washing down the deck, water would enter the cabin area and find its way to the sump. The thru-hull finally rotted to the point of allowing water to enter from the bottom. You could tighten the plug as hard as you wanted, but the water would come in from the outside edge of the thru-hull.
Our remedy was to trailer the boat, pull the plug and let drain...for a long time. Replace the thru-hull and new plug. Water still enters the cabin from the deck and hatch, but we now trailer and pull the plug.
Just my experience.
Andy.
Morocco posted 06-22-2002 12:56 PM ET (US)
Jim has it exactly right. The previous owner of my Revenge installed a little Rule pump in bilge #4 with flexible tubing that discharges onto the deck at the helmsman's feet -- kind of sub optimal if you ask me. I'm trying to figure out where the water comes from -- if I can seal it off, I'll probably take the pump out.
I pulled all 7 of my Revenge original thru hulls last week -- the # 4 one was in decent shape. the worst was the center aft.
Drisney posted 06-22-2002 07:27 PM ET (US)
Another source of water in the forward area is the anchor locker area. It can come in through the anchor rode opening (which should have a slotted cover)Also the rope drains water after use.
Dave
csj posted 06-24-2002 10:06 PM ET (US)
I have a 1989 22' revenge, and my brother has a 1986 22' revenge. both have 2 small anchor locker drain holes, then one regular size drain plug in the cabin under the teak cover. The reason we are both getting water in the small bilge area in the cabin is because water is being forced "up" thru the anchor locker drain holes into the locker and then passes thru the bulkhead into a locker area that whaler FORGOT to put a drain plug. as you ride the waters the water in the locker area is forced aft passed your cabin cushion, and onto the cabin floor where you then accumulate water. Unfortunately the cabin bulkhead is a terrible design. The idea of water only exiting the anchor locker and not entering the cabin is not the case. good luck
Ready2Rip posted 06-27-2002 03:25 PM ET (US)
Jim - the owners manual lists the 4 holes that you mentioned:
--1) In forward locker centerline
--2) In STBD locker
--3) In PORT locker
--4) In floor centerline in small sump well covered by teak hatch cover.
However, my boat doesn't have drains in any of the lockers. That seems curious to me, as one would think that by 1989 the design would be standard & mature. I noticed on my boat that someone had cut the bilge-pump hose & wires off directly underneath the starboard locker. I'll have to find a way to re-route the hose & wires to keep my cuddy drainwell dry. If anyone has a picture of their setup that you can email me, I'd much appreciate it. I'd like to get the setup back to factory specs. Thanks in advance. Mike
rsgwynn1 posted 06-27-2002 04:45 PM ET (US)
I think I'll eventually replace the hull drain with the screw-in type. It'll be harder to remove but won't interfere with loading the boat on the trailer.

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Author	Topic: Revenge Cuddy drain holes
rsgwynn1	posted 06-21-2002 10:53 AM ET (US) My 1983 Revenge Cuddy 22 has three drain plugs: one in the main bilge, one in the starboard rear small bilge (where my fuel lines and tank-selecter switch are, and one underneath the hull about 1/3 back from the bow. This one underneath is a pain--hard to get to and hard to keep in (lost one last night). What is this last one for? Where does the water come from? There always seems to be some in there after using the boat, but I suspect it's leaking at the plug.
Chris J	posted 06-21-2002 11:39 AM ET (US) It may be condensation. The cuddy has no insulation to speak of and in humid weather it may nearly rain in there. My boat also leaks at the forward hatch a little. My guess is that almost any water anywhere in the cuddy will eventually make its way into that bilge compartment (after it soaks the cushions and sleeping bags, of course). I have the same problem, but keep my boat on a lift so it isn't so bad. I just drain that bilge when the hull is out of the water. Draining it underway is definitely a hassle (and a 2 person job for sure). As for why they have that drain, I guess it was a better idea than a limber hole into the rest of the bilge. I'd suggest inspecting the drain tube carefully just to be on the safe side. If the tube is rotted near the top that may cause the drain to leak a bit, and doesn't do the hull any good either.
180	posted 06-21-2002 02:05 PM ET (US) Sounds like you are lucky. I have 7 plugs to keep track of in my 1981 Revenge 22'. 4 of them are in the cabin. The plug in the floor of the cabin shouldn't be that hard to get at. What type of plug are you using? I just switched from the "T" type to the Loop type and find the Loop type works much better (I don't know what the real names are). Good luck - get that plug fixed! kevin
Ready2Rip	posted 06-21-2002 02:32 PM ET (US) I am in the middle of trying to deal with this same problem in my '89 Revenge 22. There is a small hatch cover on the cuddy floor, and underneath is a bowl where water collects. There are 4 holes (about 1/4" diameter) that have been apparently drilled in the bottom to let water out. But where the water is supposed to go, I have no idea. I called [tech assistance from Boston Whaler] for their advice, and they said that there was no common bilge area underneath this area. The holes were likely drilled by a previous owner that didn't know that there was foam underneath. They said that there should have been a bilge pump installed in this area from the factory, but the hose & electrical lines ran across the floor & up into the cockpit. I keep trying to pump water out of this area, but the bowl always refills itself. I live in dry climate, so it must be coming up from the bottom. BW suggested using a dry-vac to remove as much water as possible & re-sealing it, but I'm not anxious to seal this off before I solve the mystery. I spoke to another '89 Revenge 22 owner from this board, and he said that he has a thru-hull type fitting that connects to a hose that routes excess water into the bilge. That seems much cleaner than routing hoses & wires along the cabin floor. If anyone has any more insight on this, I'd much appreciate it. Thanks in advance, Mike
jimh	posted 06-21-2002 07:55 PM ET (US) First of all: Revenge [Not]= Revenge Cuddy They are two different models. In a REVENGE, the cabin usually has four drains. --1) In forward locker centerline --2) In STBD locker --3) In PORT locker --4) In floor centerline in small sump well covered by teak hatch cover. As far as I know, there was not an electric bilge pump mounted in drain #4 in the cuddy. As mentioned, running hoses from there for exhaust would be extremely awkward, as would running power into the sump for a pump. As for extra holes drilled in that area, they are definitely not stock. Water should not collect there in normal use unless it sloshes into the cabin from the cockpit. It is possible for water to slosh into the cabin along the perimeter of the cockpit, as well as through the cabin door and stairwell.
rsgwynn1	posted 06-21-2002 07:58 PM ET (US) Well, none of this is much help. Former owner installed a 30 gal. extra fuel tank in the cuddy floor, so whatever was underneath it is inacessible. Maybe I just need to clamp down harder on the drain plugs!
rsgwynn1	posted 06-21-2002 08:00 PM ET (US) Well, none of this is much help. Former owner installed a 30 gal. extra fuel tank in the cuddy floor, so whatever was underneath it is inacessible. Maybe I just need to clamp down harder on the drain plugs!
Fishcop	posted 06-22-2002 12:35 AM ET (US) If I read this right, there is water collecting in the lowest "sump" area of the cabin. This area should have a thru-hull drain plug as described by jimh (four total in the cabin). This "sump" area tends to collect water from washdown and water on the deck. If left standing and unattended, the water rots the thru-hull faster and can allow water to enter the hull. This same thing happened to one of the boats I use. When washing down the deck, water would enter the cabin area and find its way to the sump. The thru-hull finally rotted to the point of allowing water to enter from the bottom. You could tighten the plug as hard as you wanted, but the water would come in from the outside edge of the thru-hull. Our remedy was to trailer the boat, pull the plug and let drain...for a long time. Replace the thru-hull and new plug. Water still enters the cabin from the deck and hatch, but we now trailer and pull the plug. Just my experience. Andy.
Morocco	posted 06-22-2002 12:56 PM ET (US) Jim has it exactly right. The previous owner of my Revenge installed a little Rule pump in bilge #4 with flexible tubing that discharges onto the deck at the helmsman's feet -- kind of sub optimal if you ask me. I'm trying to figure out where the water comes from -- if I can seal it off, I'll probably take the pump out. I pulled all 7 of my Revenge original thru hulls last week -- the # 4 one was in decent shape. the worst was the center aft.
Drisney	posted 06-22-2002 07:27 PM ET (US) Another source of water in the forward area is the anchor locker area. It can come in through the anchor rode opening (which should have a slotted cover)Also the rope drains water after use. Dave
csj	posted 06-24-2002 10:06 PM ET (US) I have a 1989 22' revenge, and my brother has a 1986 22' revenge. both have 2 small anchor locker drain holes, then one regular size drain plug in the cabin under the teak cover. The reason we are both getting water in the small bilge area in the cabin is because water is being forced "up" thru the anchor locker drain holes into the locker and then passes thru the bulkhead into a locker area that whaler FORGOT to put a drain plug. as you ride the waters the water in the locker area is forced aft passed your cabin cushion, and onto the cabin floor where you then accumulate water. Unfortunately the cabin bulkhead is a terrible design. The idea of water only exiting the anchor locker and not entering the cabin is not the case. good luck
Ready2Rip	posted 06-27-2002 03:25 PM ET (US) Jim - the owners manual lists the 4 holes that you mentioned: --1) In forward locker centerline --2) In STBD locker --3) In PORT locker --4) In floor centerline in small sump well covered by teak hatch cover. However, my boat doesn't have drains in any of the lockers. That seems curious to me, as one would think that by 1989 the design would be standard & mature. I noticed on my boat that someone had cut the bilge-pump hose & wires off directly underneath the starboard locker. I'll have to find a way to re-route the hose & wires to keep my cuddy drainwell dry. If anyone has a picture of their setup that you can email me, I'd much appreciate it. I'd like to get the setup back to factory specs. Thanks in advance. Mike
rsgwynn1	posted 06-27-2002 04:45 PM ET (US) I think I'll eventually replace the hull drain with the screw-in type. It'll be harder to remove but won't interfere with loading the boat on the trailer.