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jklaiber posted 06-27-2002 08:34 AM ET (US)
I need some help. I have always liked Boston Whaler Boats since the first time I went out on my Dad's friend's 15ft. When I got done with College I bought a 1974 13ft with a 50hp Merc and restored it to pristine shape. I loved the boat and the only reason I got rid of it was because I wanted a bigger one. Well time flew by, I got married and I have finally talked my wife into getting a boat. The problem is she can't see why I am want a whaler when there are cheaper boats out there. She also thinks Whalers are ugly. (Please don't be too hard on her, she isn't much of a boater) I lay awake at night trying to come up with reasons to convince her why we should get a whaler. Any thoughts?
whalerron posted 06-27-2002 08:43 AM ET (US)
Tell her about the durability of the boats. They are pricey but when you prorate the price of the boat over its useful life, a Whaler isn't any more expensive than any other boat.
If that doesn't work, tell her that she can always be assured that if you go out in a Whaler, you will always make it back into her loving arms. I guess this one could backfire if she is thinking about collecting the life insurance. In that case, you should be very wary if she suggests you buy a Bayliner.
flyguy posted 06-27-2002 08:45 AM ET (US)
do what i did...just show up with it! 50hp on a 13...that must have been fast.
Gep posted 06-27-2002 09:01 AM ET (US)
Have her read the "why i own a Whaler" thread. That should convince her.
Mike
JFM posted 06-27-2002 10:12 AM ET (US)
If you can't sleep, wisper in her ear all night long. "Whaler, Whaler, Whaler". Or you could count Whalers until you fall asleep like I do. Regards, Jay
JFM posted 06-27-2002 10:13 AM ET (US)
Sorry whisper!
jimh posted 06-27-2002 12:36 PM ET (US)
Tell her Martha Stewart has a Whaler.
NoviceWhaler posted 06-27-2002 12:43 PM ET (US)
... No honey, that is not a cupholder for the beer I'm going to be drinking when I'm out on the boat. It's actually specifically designed to hold a flower vase of daisys...
peteinsf posted 06-27-2002 12:44 PM ET (US)
Temptations are good looking and in a variety of sizes!
NEVER SCARED posted 06-27-2002 01:08 PM ET (US)
Tell her they remind you of her!
controller posted 06-27-2002 01:20 PM ET (US)
My wife thought they were ugly too, until she got to ride in ours and I explained how is was unsinkable and safe for the kids.
We have a 2001 16 Dauntless and she thinmks we should now get a bigger one.
Go figure
Bigshot posted 06-27-2002 01:25 PM ET (US)
I told my wife: They are like you...Ugly, a money pit, slower than others, kinda fat and round but.....unsinkable and stable...just like our marriage:)

jklaiber posted 06-27-2002 01:26 PM ET (US)
I like the "tell her Martha Stewart has one"
She is a big Martha Stewart Fan as well
Controller, you say you like you 16 Dauntless. This brings up another question.
I am looking at a 17 outrage. Do you think that a 17 is large enough or should I look for a 19 or 20 Outrage?
Bigshot posted 06-27-2002 01:34 PM ET (US)
Depends on how much of Martha's Cooking you guys eat:) The 16 Dauntless is about the same size as the 17 outrage. How comfy and experienced are you with anything bigger than a 13'? The 19 or 20 require big v6 engines and burn big V6 gas and require big v8 tow vehicles. If that is not what you are looking for right now, the 17 is a great start. My bud has a 97 w/150 on it and although smaller than my 20' it is for the most part a better "all-around" vessel. I use my Montauk more than anything because it is just right for 1 or 3 people and laughs at the gas docks.
Hobie1981 posted 06-27-2002 02:40 PM ET (US)
JK: You need to do three things. The 2'nd step is CRITICAL.
1.) Buy the damn thing.
2.) Name the boat after your wife, and have it painted on the sides.
3.) Have that puppy dog look when you show her what "followed you home".
Hobie
Cpt Quint posted 06-27-2002 02:46 PM ET (US)
I know you will miss her, but sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.
Bigshot posted 06-27-2002 02:48 PM ET (US)
You could name it "My mistress" that way you can ask..."Honey....want to ride my mistress?" She will of course say NO! Therefore you get to go out with your mistress or.... have a threesome:)
Hobie1981 posted 06-27-2002 02:54 PM ET (US)
JK: By chance does your wife drive either a Honda or a Toyota ?
If she does..suggest that there are cheaper cars out there.
The light should come on pretty quickly.
Hobie.. whose fine wife bought him his first Hobie. And she still can't swim.. Go figure.
:-)

Living large in the Granite State.
Hobie
Taylor posted 06-27-2002 03:00 PM ET (US)
If she's not much of a boater, she ought to cede the decision to you. At my house, I asked this question - would I choose the plants for your garden?
BillD posted 06-27-2002 03:42 PM ET (US)
I am not sure Martha Stewart is a good example of boat owner.
Martha Stewart has a Hinckley Picnic Boat. The gel coat was done in a custom blended color to match that of her favorite rooster. You could probably buy the entire Whaler line for less than she spent on her boat.
diveorfish posted 06-27-2002 03:56 PM ET (US)
I just went through this with my wife 3 months ago. All kidding aside, getting a boat is a major family decision if you aren�t a millionaire. There are significant expenses involved and you really must want to have a boat. First off, Whalers aside, does she want a boat at all? Does she like the water? Does she know how much fun boating is? If you can sell the concept of gladly owning a boat to her, you�re almost home free. If there are financial trade offs, you have to sell the merits of boating as a major recreational activity as opposed to other things. I went as far as using 911 to help make the sale. I told her that going to Europe (my wife likes to travel) or other places was risky right now for Americans and something fun close to home was much better and safer. Whatever junk you can think of to sell the concept is the first major step.
I this doesn�t work: just act depressed all the time, nag the hell out of her, and never stop talking about it. If you do it nicely she will cave in eventually, even if it takes years.
Fortunately for me, my wife loves the ocean and has a healthy respect for it because we dive off the coast of northern California. Once I sold her on the concept of getting a boat to play offshore with, steering her toward a Whaler was a no-brainer.
Chap posted 06-27-2002 04:02 PM ET (US)
jk-
You might have to find a nice used Marthalike dark green and tan Fenwick Edition Crosstackle Whaler like this complete with bow and stern casting rails to pull it off.
www.usboatsearch.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi
Chap
Chap posted 06-27-2002 04:04 PM ET (US)
Must be "shongo", eh BS?
Hendrickson posted 06-27-2002 04:11 PM ET (US)
Tell her you are praying for a Whaler, unless she is an atheist it does't seem she would want to argue with the Creator of lakes, rivers and oceans.
Bigshot posted 06-27-2002 04:14 PM ET (US)
I don't fly fish.....hell I don't fish!
I have enough of a time explaing the giant Whaler decals on the sides.....imagine the green paint and the goofy railings? Then I would have to explain Orvis and flyfishing and tying flies.....SHONGO!
JFM posted 06-27-2002 04:45 PM ET (US)
When the FEDS get done with Martha she'll have to switch a pink Bayliner!
Just another thought, buy a Danbury Mint Whaler Model and slip it under her pillow at night. She will think the Whaler fairy came when she looks outside to see your new Whaler in the driveway. Regards, Jay

P.S. Nick, your wife must not know about the forum, if she did your but would be in the dog house with me after a post like that:)
ChocLabWhaler posted 06-27-2002 04:58 PM ET (US)
Definately have her read the "Why I own" post. Safety, speed and durabilty all mixed into one boat. Hard to beat. I just bought a 17' that's as old as I am! My wife couldn't believe that a boat that old could be in such shape. let alone be able to pull skiers. Good luck and Whaler only if there are kids involved!
LKS posted 06-27-2002 10:02 PM ET (US)
From the female perspective -- First, print out the "Why I own a Whaler" thread and leave it where your wife will find it -- don't be too obvious, though. When she asks you about it, start talking up the safety thing -- how owning a Whaler would assure the safety of your family (if you have kids or are planning a family, use the children angle) -- note, not your safety, but that of your wife and children, and talk about how other brands she may know of would compare. Should anything unfortunate happen out on the water, you'd be sure YOUR CHILDREN would not drown, if they were in a Whaler. Also talk about the importance of family time, teaching your children about fishing, the value of our environment, and the love of the outdoors. Throw in what you may have learned from your father or grandfather.
Then, locate the best Whaler you can afford (and want), and the worst. Take her with you to look at the worst one first and talk about how you could work together restoring it (you know, teamwork strengthens a marriage and all that), how great she'd be at varnishing the teak, bringing it back to the original beauty, and how you're certain your wife would really be able to bring back the shine. Then take her to look at the pristine one. Depending on how your wife likes projects, guess which one you'll end up with? (Or if you want a project boat, make sure the pristine one is way out of your price range.)
And, when you get your Whaler, make sure the first trip out is with that picnic basket to a secluded spot where you can christen your new vessel. ;-)
Best wishes and happy Whalin' -- Lor
skred posted 06-28-2002 08:31 AM ET (US)
Here's an opposite twist: -=and this happened to me!
My wife and I went to a sports/boat show, and my wife, being a rather striking blonde, got snagged by a Whaler rep who told her "all about Whalers". Shortly after, when I started making "new boat noises", she told me firmly that the only boat I could buy was a Whaler, based on quality and safety alone. I used the "don't throw me in the briar patch" approach, and explained that for the price of that Montauk she could be boating in a 19 foot, flashy Maxxum (or some such), with cushy seats, drink holders, stereo, color-matched trailer, etc. The response was firm and final: "NO. Whaler is the only thing I'll boat in."
Soooo... reluctantly (HAH !) I bought the Montauk, and we lived happily with our Whaler after that.
Bigshot posted 06-28-2002 09:32 AM ET (US)
Jay....my wife could read that. Unlike some on this board, she knows I am joking.
JFM posted 06-28-2002 09:34 AM ET (US)
Nick, sounds like you gotta "keeper". Regards, jay
jklaiber posted 06-30-2002 09:33 AM ET (US)
Thanks everyone for your replies!
I just sold my jet-ski's this weekend, so now I am ready to make a purchase. Hopefully by the end of the summer I will have the boat I want.
Just letting the wife read your replies has lightened her up so keep them coming!
jklaiber posted 06-30-2002 08:58 PM ET (US)
Thanks everyone for the numerous and sometimes humerous replies. Talked the wife into letting me buy a boat.
Bought a 1980 Montauk with a 1993 90hp Johnson. Boat is very clean for its age. It will be fun to fix it up and get out on the lake!
Hendrickson posted 07-01-2002 12:22 AM ET (US)
See, prayers do get answered...

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jklaiber	posted 06-27-2002 08:34 AM ET (US) I need some help. I have always liked Boston Whaler Boats since the first time I went out on my Dad's friend's 15ft. When I got done with College I bought a 1974 13ft with a 50hp Merc and restored it to pristine shape. I loved the boat and the only reason I got rid of it was because I wanted a bigger one. Well time flew by, I got married and I have finally talked my wife into getting a boat. The problem is she can't see why I am want a whaler when there are cheaper boats out there. She also thinks Whalers are ugly. (Please don't be too hard on her, she isn't much of a boater) I lay awake at night trying to come up with reasons to convince her why we should get a whaler. Any thoughts?
whalerron	posted 06-27-2002 08:43 AM ET (US) Tell her about the durability of the boats. They are pricey but when you prorate the price of the boat over its useful life, a Whaler isn't any more expensive than any other boat. If that doesn't work, tell her that she can always be assured that if you go out in a Whaler, you will always make it back into her loving arms. I guess this one could backfire if she is thinking about collecting the life insurance. In that case, you should be very wary if she suggests you buy a Bayliner.
flyguy	posted 06-27-2002 08:45 AM ET (US) do what i did...just show up with it! 50hp on a 13...that must have been fast.
Gep	posted 06-27-2002 09:01 AM ET (US) Have her read the "why i own a Whaler" thread. That should convince her. Mike
JFM	posted 06-27-2002 10:12 AM ET (US) If you can't sleep, wisper in her ear all night long. "Whaler, Whaler, Whaler". Or you could count Whalers until you fall asleep like I do. Regards, Jay
JFM	posted 06-27-2002 10:13 AM ET (US) Sorry whisper!
jimh	posted 06-27-2002 12:36 PM ET (US) Tell her Martha Stewart has a Whaler.
NoviceWhaler	posted 06-27-2002 12:43 PM ET (US) ... No honey, that is not a cupholder for the beer I'm going to be drinking when I'm out on the boat. It's actually specifically designed to hold a flower vase of daisys...
peteinsf	posted 06-27-2002 12:44 PM ET (US) Temptations are good looking and in a variety of sizes!
NEVER SCARED	posted 06-27-2002 01:08 PM ET (US) Tell her they remind you of her!
controller	posted 06-27-2002 01:20 PM ET (US) My wife thought they were ugly too, until she got to ride in ours and I explained how is was unsinkable and safe for the kids. We have a 2001 16 Dauntless and she thinmks we should now get a bigger one. Go figure
Bigshot	posted 06-27-2002 01:25 PM ET (US) I told my wife: They are like you...Ugly, a money pit, slower than others, kinda fat and round but.....unsinkable and stable...just like our marriage:)
jklaiber	posted 06-27-2002 01:26 PM ET (US) I like the "tell her Martha Stewart has one" She is a big Martha Stewart Fan as well Controller, you say you like you 16 Dauntless. This brings up another question. I am looking at a 17 outrage. Do you think that a 17 is large enough or should I look for a 19 or 20 Outrage?
Bigshot	posted 06-27-2002 01:34 PM ET (US) Depends on how much of Martha's Cooking you guys eat:) The 16 Dauntless is about the same size as the 17 outrage. How comfy and experienced are you with anything bigger than a 13'? The 19 or 20 require big v6 engines and burn big V6 gas and require big v8 tow vehicles. If that is not what you are looking for right now, the 17 is a great start. My bud has a 97 w/150 on it and although smaller than my 20' it is for the most part a better "all-around" vessel. I use my Montauk more than anything because it is just right for 1 or 3 people and laughs at the gas docks.
Hobie1981	posted 06-27-2002 02:40 PM ET (US) JK: You need to do three things. The 2'nd step is CRITICAL. 1.) Buy the damn thing. 2.) Name the boat after your wife, and have it painted on the sides. 3.) Have that puppy dog look when you show her what "followed you home". Hobie
Cpt Quint	posted 06-27-2002 02:46 PM ET (US) I know you will miss her, but sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.
Bigshot	posted 06-27-2002 02:48 PM ET (US) You could name it "My mistress" that way you can ask..."Honey....want to ride my mistress?" She will of course say NO! Therefore you get to go out with your mistress or.... have a threesome:)
Hobie1981	posted 06-27-2002 02:54 PM ET (US) JK: By chance does your wife drive either a Honda or a Toyota ? If she does..suggest that there are cheaper cars out there. The light should come on pretty quickly. Hobie.. whose fine wife bought him his first Hobie. And she still can't swim.. Go figure. :-) Living large in the Granite State. Hobie
Taylor	posted 06-27-2002 03:00 PM ET (US) If she's not much of a boater, she ought to cede the decision to you. At my house, I asked this question - would I choose the plants for your garden?
BillD	posted 06-27-2002 03:42 PM ET (US) I am not sure Martha Stewart is a good example of boat owner. Martha Stewart has a Hinckley Picnic Boat. The gel coat was done in a custom blended color to match that of her favorite rooster. You could probably buy the entire Whaler line for less than she spent on her boat.
diveorfish	posted 06-27-2002 03:56 PM ET (US) I just went through this with my wife 3 months ago. All kidding aside, getting a boat is a major family decision if you aren�t a millionaire. There are significant expenses involved and you really must want to have a boat. First off, Whalers aside, does she want a boat at all? Does she like the water? Does she know how much fun boating is? If you can sell the concept of gladly owning a boat to her, you�re almost home free. If there are financial trade offs, you have to sell the merits of boating as a major recreational activity as opposed to other things. I went as far as using 911 to help make the sale. I told her that going to Europe (my wife likes to travel) or other places was risky right now for Americans and something fun close to home was much better and safer. Whatever junk you can think of to sell the concept is the first major step. I this doesn�t work: just act depressed all the time, nag the hell out of her, and never stop talking about it. If you do it nicely she will cave in eventually, even if it takes years. Fortunately for me, my wife loves the ocean and has a healthy respect for it because we dive off the coast of northern California. Once I sold her on the concept of getting a boat to play offshore with, steering her toward a Whaler was a no-brainer.
Chap	posted 06-27-2002 04:02 PM ET (US) jk- You might have to find a nice used Marthalike dark green and tan Fenwick Edition Crosstackle Whaler like this complete with bow and stern casting rails to pull it off. www.usboatsearch.com/cgi-bin/classifieds/classifieds.cgi Chap
Chap	posted 06-27-2002 04:04 PM ET (US) Must be "shongo", eh BS?
Hendrickson	posted 06-27-2002 04:11 PM ET (US) Tell her you are praying for a Whaler, unless she is an atheist it does't seem she would want to argue with the Creator of lakes, rivers and oceans.
Bigshot	posted 06-27-2002 04:14 PM ET (US) I don't fly fish.....hell I don't fish! I have enough of a time explaing the giant Whaler decals on the sides.....imagine the green paint and the goofy railings? Then I would have to explain Orvis and flyfishing and tying flies.....SHONGO!
JFM	posted 06-27-2002 04:45 PM ET (US) When the FEDS get done with Martha she'll have to switch a pink Bayliner! Just another thought, buy a Danbury Mint Whaler Model and slip it under her pillow at night. She will think the Whaler fairy came when she looks outside to see your new Whaler in the driveway. Regards, Jay P.S. Nick, your wife must not know about the forum, if she did your but would be in the dog house with me after a post like that:)
ChocLabWhaler	posted 06-27-2002 04:58 PM ET (US) Definately have her read the "Why I own" post. Safety, speed and durabilty all mixed into one boat. Hard to beat. I just bought a 17' that's as old as I am! My wife couldn't believe that a boat that old could be in such shape. let alone be able to pull skiers. Good luck and Whaler only if there are kids involved!
LKS	posted 06-27-2002 10:02 PM ET (US) From the female perspective -- First, print out the "Why I own a Whaler" thread and leave it where your wife will find it -- don't be too obvious, though. When she asks you about it, start talking up the safety thing -- how owning a Whaler would assure the safety of your family (if you have kids or are planning a family, use the children angle) -- note, not your safety, but that of your wife and children, and talk about how other brands she may know of would compare. Should anything unfortunate happen out on the water, you'd be sure YOUR CHILDREN would not drown, if they were in a Whaler. Also talk about the importance of family time, teaching your children about fishing, the value of our environment, and the love of the outdoors. Throw in what you may have learned from your father or grandfather. Then, locate the best Whaler you can afford (and want), and the worst. Take her with you to look at the worst one first and talk about how you could work together restoring it (you know, teamwork strengthens a marriage and all that), how great she'd be at varnishing the teak, bringing it back to the original beauty, and how you're certain your wife would really be able to bring back the shine. Then take her to look at the pristine one. Depending on how your wife likes projects, guess which one you'll end up with? (Or if you want a project boat, make sure the pristine one is way out of your price range.) And, when you get your Whaler, make sure the first trip out is with that picnic basket to a secluded spot where you can christen your new vessel. ;-) Best wishes and happy Whalin' -- Lor
skred	posted 06-28-2002 08:31 AM ET (US) Here's an opposite twist: -=and this happened to me! My wife and I went to a sports/boat show, and my wife, being a rather striking blonde, got snagged by a Whaler rep who told her "all about Whalers". Shortly after, when I started making "new boat noises", she told me firmly that the only boat I could buy was a Whaler, based on quality and safety alone. I used the "don't throw me in the briar patch" approach, and explained that for the price of that Montauk she could be boating in a 19 foot, flashy Maxxum (or some such), with cushy seats, drink holders, stereo, color-matched trailer, etc. The response was firm and final: "NO. Whaler is the only thing I'll boat in." Soooo... reluctantly (HAH !) I bought the Montauk, and we lived happily with our Whaler after that.
Bigshot	posted 06-28-2002 09:32 AM ET (US) Jay....my wife could read that. Unlike some on this board, she knows I am joking.
JFM	posted 06-28-2002 09:34 AM ET (US) Nick, sounds like you gotta "keeper". Regards, jay
jklaiber	posted 06-30-2002 09:33 AM ET (US) Thanks everyone for your replies! I just sold my jet-ski's this weekend, so now I am ready to make a purchase. Hopefully by the end of the summer I will have the boat I want. Just letting the wife read your replies has lightened her up so keep them coming!
jklaiber	posted 06-30-2002 08:58 PM ET (US) Thanks everyone for the numerous and sometimes humerous replies. Talked the wife into letting me buy a boat. Bought a 1980 Montauk with a 1993 90hp Johnson. Boat is very clean for its age. It will be fun to fix it up and get out on the lake!
Hendrickson	posted 07-01-2002 12:22 AM ET (US) See, prayers do get answered...