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ron3637 posted 06-28-2002 04:16 PM ET (US)
Any opinions on which whaler ,classic or nonclassic, was their best handling model. Give years and length. ron
prj posted 06-28-2002 04:30 PM ET (US)
15' due to proportions of keel/sponsons. granted, taken from a limited sample of rides, i.e., just my own 15' striper...never been on another, though spotted a 22' early 80's vintage outrage in milwaukee's mckinley, yours milwaukeewhaler?
gleaned similar info from multiple posts herein and was pleasantly surprised.
ron3637 posted 06-28-2002 04:36 PM ET (US)
Let me clarify my question: best handling for bay use and/or off-shore use.
prj posted 06-28-2002 04:37 PM ET (US)
ahhhh, maybe not the 15' then...
Barry posted 06-28-2002 05:21 PM ET (US)
Well, bigger is usually better in terms of ride quality. This wouldn't necessarily apply to handling. Although I would think that how well a particular model handled would have a lot to do with how it was set up. Factors would include:
number of engines,
size of engine(s),
how engine(s) were mounted (transom, jackplate, bracket, WhalerDrive),
Doel-Fin and/or trim tabs,
type of steering (cable, NFB, hydraulic),
load and distribution (batteries, gas tanks, T-tops, towers, people, livewells, etc.)
David Ratusnik posted 06-28-2002 06:00 PM ET (US)
Ron- Which boat did you buy? Still kicking tires?? David
Steve Leone posted 06-28-2002 09:43 PM ET (US)
Ron, anything 17 ft. or better with twin engines and hydraulic steering. Not too many 17`s with duels although in my opinion an 18 Outrage with twin 70hp or 90hp with the Hydraulic steering and power tilt/trim corners and rides like a fancy sportscar. I do not care for larger boats. i find them hard to manuever in tight spots, difficult to trailer, they catch the wind alot more and the fuel consumption goes way up. steve out.
Peter posted 06-29-2002 10:35 AM ET (US)
1980's 18 Outrage has my vote.
bigz posted 06-29-2002 11:04 AM ET (US)
The best designed and handling Whaler in just about all conditions is the 27 model, particularly the outboard non Whaler drive ones. In recent years till '99 the 27 Offshore is a perfect boat if one desires more on the center console design, otherwise the early 90 Walkarounds come in second but there were only a few hundred made in the 4 or so years in production pretty scarce models.
In fact it has been said to me by long time BW employees that Bob D felt it was his best designed hull ever and the proof of the 'pudding' is that the Commercial Division is still selling quit a number per year. The 27 hull was first introduced in 1982 I think maybe '83 so she is now going on 20 years old with few modifications to the original base design.
Z
PS I realize that a 27 for most members of this form that size Whaler is well beyond their scope!
ron3637 posted 06-30-2002 01:00 PM ET (US)
How about the outrage hulls in the 20-24 foot range?
OUTRAGEOUS22 posted 07-01-2002 09:16 PM ET (US)
My 1988 22' outrage has a full flat floor, small standard console, T top, real self bailing hull, Its big enough for any sea and small enough for any road. Tough as nails safe as church on Sunday. Held its condition since 88 and looks almost new. The first motor 200hp Johnson worn out, second motor is a Yamaha 250hp. Fast as you want to go in a family boat 49-50mph. Flat and level in all weather no spray unless cross wind better than 30mph 5-6' seas. Hydraulic steering, doelfoil, and a Jackplate to hold that great big mean saltwater yamaha. Now thats a WHALER for all purposes. P.S. a 15hp johnson kicker and an aux tank with 25gal spare for 30mi+ offshore use only.
Tom Byrum posted 07-02-2002 01:50 AM ET (US)
For pinpoint slalom style handleing an 18' Outrage with twins. No contest. For bigger water an 18 could still can out manouver anything but bigger hulls are a sure a lot more comfortable. Never been on a 25 so not sure about a 25. Been on a 22 and an 18 with a single and the 18 with twins is much more precise. If you could get twins on a fifteen that may be some competition.

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Author	Topic: Best handling whaler
ron3637	posted 06-28-2002 04:16 PM ET (US) Any opinions on which whaler ,classic or nonclassic, was their best handling model. Give years and length. ron
prj	posted 06-28-2002 04:30 PM ET (US) 15' due to proportions of keel/sponsons. granted, taken from a limited sample of rides, i.e., just my own 15' striper...never been on another, though spotted a 22' early 80's vintage outrage in milwaukee's mckinley, yours milwaukeewhaler? gleaned similar info from multiple posts herein and was pleasantly surprised.
ron3637	posted 06-28-2002 04:36 PM ET (US) Let me clarify my question: best handling for bay use and/or off-shore use.
prj	posted 06-28-2002 04:37 PM ET (US) ahhhh, maybe not the 15' then...
Barry	posted 06-28-2002 05:21 PM ET (US) Well, bigger is usually better in terms of ride quality. This wouldn't necessarily apply to handling. Although I would think that how well a particular model handled would have a lot to do with how it was set up. Factors would include: number of engines, size of engine(s), how engine(s) were mounted (transom, jackplate, bracket, WhalerDrive), Doel-Fin and/or trim tabs, type of steering (cable, NFB, hydraulic), load and distribution (batteries, gas tanks, T-tops, towers, people, livewells, etc.)
David Ratusnik	posted 06-28-2002 06:00 PM ET (US) Ron- Which boat did you buy? Still kicking tires?? David
Steve Leone	posted 06-28-2002 09:43 PM ET (US) Ron, anything 17 ft. or better with twin engines and hydraulic steering. Not too many 17`s with duels although in my opinion an 18 Outrage with twin 70hp or 90hp with the Hydraulic steering and power tilt/trim corners and rides like a fancy sportscar. I do not care for larger boats. i find them hard to manuever in tight spots, difficult to trailer, they catch the wind alot more and the fuel consumption goes way up. steve out.
Peter	posted 06-29-2002 10:35 AM ET (US) 1980's 18 Outrage has my vote.
bigz	posted 06-29-2002 11:04 AM ET (US) The best designed and handling Whaler in just about all conditions is the 27 model, particularly the outboard non Whaler drive ones. In recent years till '99 the 27 Offshore is a perfect boat if one desires more on the center console design, otherwise the early 90 Walkarounds come in second but there were only a few hundred made in the 4 or so years in production pretty scarce models. In fact it has been said to me by long time BW employees that Bob D felt it was his best designed hull ever and the proof of the 'pudding' is that the Commercial Division is still selling quit a number per year. The 27 hull was first introduced in 1982 I think maybe '83 so she is now going on 20 years old with few modifications to the original base design. Z PS I realize that a 27 for most members of this form that size Whaler is well beyond their scope!
ron3637	posted 06-30-2002 01:00 PM ET (US) How about the outrage hulls in the 20-24 foot range?
OUTRAGEOUS22	posted 07-01-2002 09:16 PM ET (US) My 1988 22' outrage has a full flat floor, small standard console, T top, real self bailing hull, Its big enough for any sea and small enough for any road. Tough as nails safe as church on Sunday. Held its condition since 88 and looks almost new. The first motor 200hp Johnson worn out, second motor is a Yamaha 250hp. Fast as you want to go in a family boat 49-50mph. Flat and level in all weather no spray unless cross wind better than 30mph 5-6' seas. Hydraulic steering, doelfoil, and a Jackplate to hold that great big mean saltwater yamaha. Now thats a WHALER for all purposes. P.S. a 15hp johnson kicker and an aux tank with 25gal spare for 30mi+ offshore use only.
Tom Byrum	posted 07-02-2002 01:50 AM ET (US) For pinpoint slalom style handleing an 18' Outrage with twins. No contest. For bigger water an 18 could still can out manouver anything but bigger hulls are a sure a lot more comfortable. Never been on a 25 so not sure about a 25. Been on a 22 and an 18 with a single and the 18 with twins is much more precise. If you could get twins on a fifteen that may be some competition.