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tabasco posted 07-25-2002 09:07 AM ET (US)
EBay has a 19FT Boston Whaler Catamaran for sale. Does anyone know anything about these boats? When were they made and for how many years? Were they good sailing boat? What was their original cost? This one is up to approximately $1000.
I am interested to learn more about them. How did they compare to the Hobie Cats?
jimh posted 07-25-2002 09:15 AM ET (US)
I had my first look at a Boston Whaler 20-foot catamaran during the Port Huron Rendezvous. We were anchored on a sand bar off the beachfront cottage of Don McIntyre, who has one of this powerful sailboats.
Don and I waded ashore to have a look at the big cat: What a machine!
I don't think I've seen such a powerful sailing rocketship before. Don told me they can go over 20 MPH. From the look of the thing just sitting on the beach, I had no trouble believing him.
That boat is definitely not something you would want to hop on and go for a sail unless you knew what you where doing it--a 16-Hobie it ain't!
I think his boat was a "Super Cat 20"model. He has had the boat for many years and I am sure you could tell you all about it.
jstachowiak posted 07-25-2002 09:35 AM ET (US)
I used to race catamarans. Prindle 16 and 18's and raced against BW catamarans. They were great sailboats and $1000 seems like a good price. It all depends on what you are going to do. Hobies are like chevys, very popular and had (may still have) a regatta network of races in the US. The BW cat was the Porsche like Nacra Cats. Light weight, big fast sails with all the tech toys (at the time) on them.
Check out http://www.ruach.net/Harpoon.shtml#OverView
for Whaler Harpoon info somethings may apply to the Super Cat.
As well, some history on SuperCats and Bill Roberts design and partnership with Whaler here:
http://www.skypoint.com/~aqssail/main/background.html
dfmcintyre posted 07-25-2002 10:57 AM ET (US)
The 20 was the origional model, and it a beast (they are now making a 27 and a 30, based on the same hull design. The 30 has a _16'_ beam!...I digress...)
It was billed as the first production cat that would go over 30 knots. We've had ours up over 25, and with the 12' beam, it can be a thrilling ride.
The 19' was, from what I recall (and I don't have any reference material right now...) was essentially a 20' rig with only a 8' beam.
If you've got some cat sailing experience behind you, and want a good boat, I'd have no problem recommending the supercat line. Doe's it have a trailer and accessories?
The 17', in my opinion, was probably the best true beach cat. It came with a roller furling jib (no need to take the jib off at the end of the day), no daggerboards (less weight and hassle), and no boom (again, one less piece of equipment). The mainsail attached to the tackle, and the tackle slid across the rear crossmember.
The volume of the hulls also prevented it from dumping you, when you were on the hull, trying to right it (unlike the Hobie16), and the shape of the hull (actually, all the supercat series hulls had the same planform) minimized the dreaded occurance of "pitchpoling".
This would/will occur when flying or close to flying a hull, i.e. theres enough wind to lift one hull out of the water) and the inwater hull submerges. On the Hobie16 (and to a limited extent the Hobie18) you would run a very real risk of not just coming to a quick stop, but getting flipped, end over end. A truly cognitive learning experience...
Don
dfmcintyre posted 07-25-2002 09:55 PM ET (US)
Note to those who are looking at the E-bay cat...
It looks like it could be the one that was based on a public lake (Stony Creek Metropark) a few years ago, about the time I was looking for a Supercat. While I may be wrong, I'm basing this on the fact that Auburn Hills is just about adjacent to the park, and there are few 17 Supercats in this area. It was in decent shape back then, and we almost got real interested, but the 20' came up for sale at about the same time.
The 17' didn't have all the tech racing stuff on it, but was pretty innovative for the time.
Don
tabasco posted 07-25-2002 11:43 PM ET (US)
Thanks for all the information.....What was the original cost of the 20Ft and do they still make it and the same for the 17FT? If not what does the 20Ft go for used? What years did they make these boats?
tabasco posted 07-25-2002 11:48 PM ET (US)
Df- I myself have pitchpoled a 16 Ft Hobie cat in Nantucket. It was quite an unexpected shock when it happened .......my only loss was my Omega watch........found out it wasn't waterproof and the salt water got in a it and was a goner.
dfmcintyre posted 07-26-2002 08:26 AM ET (US)
The origional 20', was priced around $9000. That _that_ was 1982 prices!
We bought the 20' for $2200(?) and have replaced the tramp, jib and some lines so far. Some minor repair on the hulls and repainted (not gelcoat) them. Am planning on a new main and to fair down the hulls and gel coat over the winter.
They are not producing the 17 or the 20 at this point. I think the current lineup is a 22, 27 and 30.
tabasco posted 07-26-2002 08:55 PM ET (US)
DF-
Who is producing them- not on the Whaler site. Let me know if you see any 20Ft Super Cats for sale in your area and at what price.
dfmcintyre posted 07-27-2002 08:58 PM ET (US)
I'll keep an eye out.
For further information on what supercat's are now, check:
http://www.skypoint.com/~aqssail/main/
maverick posted 07-27-2002 10:03 PM ET (US)
Just got off a 60' racer in Cozumel area 2 days ago - was in 15-20 knot winds, and this huge Cat held the speedo at about 15 steadily - so 20 mph is not unrealistic. I've sailed lots of Hobie 16s that would easily run 15-20 in a strong wind. Never seen or sailed a Whaler Cat though... Mav
EJO posted 07-06-2015 12:12 PM ET (US)
[Revived this thread by mistake after it had been dormant for 12-years. This thread is now closed.--jimh]

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Author	Topic: Boston Whaler Catamaran 19-footer
tabasco	posted 07-25-2002 09:07 AM ET (US) EBay has a 19FT Boston Whaler Catamaran for sale. Does anyone know anything about these boats? When were they made and for how many years? Were they good sailing boat? What was their original cost? This one is up to approximately $1000. I am interested to learn more about them. How did they compare to the Hobie Cats?
jimh	posted 07-25-2002 09:15 AM ET (US) I had my first look at a Boston Whaler 20-foot catamaran during the Port Huron Rendezvous. We were anchored on a sand bar off the beachfront cottage of Don McIntyre, who has one of this powerful sailboats. Don and I waded ashore to have a look at the big cat: What a machine! I don't think I've seen such a powerful sailing rocketship before. Don told me they can go over 20 MPH. From the look of the thing just sitting on the beach, I had no trouble believing him. That boat is definitely not something you would want to hop on and go for a sail unless you knew what you where doing it--a 16-Hobie it ain't! I think his boat was a "Super Cat 20"model. He has had the boat for many years and I am sure you could tell you all about it.
jstachowiak	posted 07-25-2002 09:35 AM ET (US) I used to race catamarans. Prindle 16 and 18's and raced against BW catamarans. They were great sailboats and $1000 seems like a good price. It all depends on what you are going to do. Hobies are like chevys, very popular and had (may still have) a regatta network of races in the US. The BW cat was the Porsche like Nacra Cats. Light weight, big fast sails with all the tech toys (at the time) on them. Check out http://www.ruach.net/Harpoon.shtml#OverView for Whaler Harpoon info somethings may apply to the Super Cat. As well, some history on SuperCats and Bill Roberts design and partnership with Whaler here: http://www.skypoint.com/~aqssail/main/background.html
dfmcintyre	posted 07-25-2002 10:57 AM ET (US) The 20 was the origional model, and it a beast (they are now making a 27 and a 30, based on the same hull design. The 30 has a _16'_ beam!...I digress...) It was billed as the first production cat that would go over 30 knots. We've had ours up over 25, and with the 12' beam, it can be a thrilling ride. The 19' was, from what I recall (and I don't have any reference material right now...) was essentially a 20' rig with only a 8' beam. If you've got some cat sailing experience behind you, and want a good boat, I'd have no problem recommending the supercat line. Doe's it have a trailer and accessories? The 17', in my opinion, was probably the best true beach cat. It came with a roller furling jib (no need to take the jib off at the end of the day), no daggerboards (less weight and hassle), and no boom (again, one less piece of equipment). The mainsail attached to the tackle, and the tackle slid across the rear crossmember. The volume of the hulls also prevented it from dumping you, when you were on the hull, trying to right it (unlike the Hobie16), and the shape of the hull (actually, all the supercat series hulls had the same planform) minimized the dreaded occurance of "pitchpoling". This would/will occur when flying or close to flying a hull, i.e. theres enough wind to lift one hull out of the water) and the inwater hull submerges. On the Hobie16 (and to a limited extent the Hobie18) you would run a very real risk of not just coming to a quick stop, but getting flipped, end over end. A truly cognitive learning experience... Don
dfmcintyre	posted 07-25-2002 09:55 PM ET (US) Note to those who are looking at the E-bay cat... It looks like it could be the one that was based on a public lake (Stony Creek Metropark) a few years ago, about the time I was looking for a Supercat. While I may be wrong, I'm basing this on the fact that Auburn Hills is just about adjacent to the park, and there are few 17 Supercats in this area. It was in decent shape back then, and we almost got real interested, but the 20' came up for sale at about the same time. The 17' didn't have all the tech racing stuff on it, but was pretty innovative for the time. Don
tabasco	posted 07-25-2002 11:43 PM ET (US) Thanks for all the information.....What was the original cost of the 20Ft and do they still make it and the same for the 17FT? If not what does the 20Ft go for used? What years did they make these boats?
tabasco	posted 07-25-2002 11:48 PM ET (US) Df- I myself have pitchpoled a 16 Ft Hobie cat in Nantucket. It was quite an unexpected shock when it happened .......my only loss was my Omega watch........found out it wasn't waterproof and the salt water got in a it and was a goner.
dfmcintyre	posted 07-26-2002 08:26 AM ET (US) The origional 20', was priced around $9000. That _that_ was 1982 prices! We bought the 20' for $2200(?) and have replaced the tramp, jib and some lines so far. Some minor repair on the hulls and repainted (not gelcoat) them. Am planning on a new main and to fair down the hulls and gel coat over the winter. They are not producing the 17 or the 20 at this point. I think the current lineup is a 22, 27 and 30.
tabasco	posted 07-26-2002 08:55 PM ET (US) DF- Who is producing them- not on the Whaler site. Let me know if you see any 20Ft Super Cats for sale in your area and at what price.
dfmcintyre	posted 07-27-2002 08:58 PM ET (US) I'll keep an eye out. For further information on what supercat's are now, check: http://www.skypoint.com/~aqssail/main/
maverick	posted 07-27-2002 10:03 PM ET (US) Just got off a 60' racer in Cozumel area 2 days ago - was in 15-20 knot winds, and this huge Cat held the speedo at about 15 steadily - so 20 mph is not unrealistic. I've sailed lots of Hobie 16s that would easily run 15-20 in a strong wind. Never seen or sailed a Whaler Cat though... Mav
EJO	posted 07-06-2015 12:12 PM ET (US) [Revived this thread by mistake after it had been dormant for 12-years. This thread is now closed.--jimh]