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JFM posted 07-27-2002 04:23 PM ET (US)
A friend just called and told me a dealer had some left over 2001 Evinrude 4 stroke 70 hp (E70PL4SI). Does anyone know if that is the same as the Suzuki DF70.
If so, with the weight of 359lbs. is that too much for the transom of a Nauset?
Thanks, Jay
soggy bottom boy posted 07-27-2002 05:26 PM ET (US)
Yep, the OMC 4 strokes are the same as Suzuki. I just called about a 2001 as well, and asked. I too was quoted a good price, but they are heavy!
Soggy
RWM posted 07-27-2002 10:01 PM ET (US)
I have a 70 Evinrude 4 stroke on a '79 Montauk. The only difference from the Suzuki is the paint, some electrical to match OMC, and I think the propeller shaft is set up to take the OMC prop.
I believe the engine weighs 335 pounds.
With a heavy battery in the stern the Montauk does sit a little stern heavy and can only hold a plane at 13 MPH or more.
Aside from that, the engine is a dream. Strong, reliable, quiet and fuel efficient. I picked up mine for $4500 in November 2000. If you do purchase you will have to use the available blind lower mounting holes. A little tricky, but doable. I am very, very pleased with the engine and consider the price I got it for a real deal. Good luck...Bob M.
Bigshot posted 07-29-2002 09:46 AM ET (US)
Same engine with OMC electronics. Can use a Zuki or OMC prop, just need a different spacer. The engine weighs about 340, have no idea why they quote 359. My Montauk sits about 3/4 of an inch lower than it did with the 90 Yamaha....no biggie.....buy it.....love it......live it!
As far as mounting goes, just jack it up on the transom an inch or so(ie: don't set it on transom). These engines like being up a bit and that allows you to get the bolts in. I run mine on a manual jackplate which adds even more weight and weight is NOT an issue with this setup. Top speed is about 39+ and I can run all weekend on 5 gallons of gas. I have just under 100 hours on mine since january and absolutely love it.
DaveIsaacs posted 07-31-2002 11:52 AM ET (US)

Like RWM, I have a 1979 Montauk.
When I decide to repower, I will most likely get a 4-stroke. I have wondered about how the notch transom might affect mounting of a new engine.
The way my current 1986 90HP Evinrude is mounted (before I owned it), I can't tell if the holes through the transom are "original".
What are the "available blind lower mounting holes" RWM mentions? Is it possible my current engine is already using these blind holes?
-Dave-
JFM posted 07-31-2002 12:40 PM ET (US)
Easy Dave, just look at your motor on the back of the transom. If you see 4 bolts through the engine mount then it's not blind. Blind is tapped on the side of the engine mount that you can't see from the back of the transom. So if you see 4 bolts through the inside and only 2 on the outside it's blind bolted. Regards, Jay
DaveIsaacs posted 07-31-2002 01:27 PM ET (US)

Thanks very much.
I'm pretty sure I have four bolts visible from the outside, but I will have to check.
Is it typical to that the existing holes will line up to allow the bolts to tap into the engine without me drilling new holes and filling some old?
Another question: When I talked to a Suzuki dealer maybe a couple years ago, he told me I would have to change from my OMC binnacle mount throttle control to a Suzuki flavor. I think he also mentioned a new tach (I have a new OEM tach now and will have to check if it supports Suzuki).
Does anyone know if buying the Evinrude flavor of the engine will save me from having to change out my old OMC binnacle mount throttle control and possibly save me from changing some other components as well?
Knowing this would help me decide when it's time to repower.
-Dave-
JFM posted 07-31-2002 02:43 PM ET (US)
Most holes will line up. If you really have a problem you can use a jack plate.
In doing some checking it doesn't look like old vintage OMC controls will match new Evinrude (Suzuki). Regards, Jay

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Author	Topic: Is Evinrude and Suzuki one in the same?
JFM	posted 07-27-2002 04:23 PM ET (US) A friend just called and told me a dealer had some left over 2001 Evinrude 4 stroke 70 hp (E70PL4SI). Does anyone know if that is the same as the Suzuki DF70. If so, with the weight of 359lbs. is that too much for the transom of a Nauset? Thanks, Jay
soggy bottom boy	posted 07-27-2002 05:26 PM ET (US) Yep, the OMC 4 strokes are the same as Suzuki. I just called about a 2001 as well, and asked. I too was quoted a good price, but they are heavy! Soggy
RWM	posted 07-27-2002 10:01 PM ET (US) I have a 70 Evinrude 4 stroke on a '79 Montauk. The only difference from the Suzuki is the paint, some electrical to match OMC, and I think the propeller shaft is set up to take the OMC prop. I believe the engine weighs 335 pounds. With a heavy battery in the stern the Montauk does sit a little stern heavy and can only hold a plane at 13 MPH or more. Aside from that, the engine is a dream. Strong, reliable, quiet and fuel efficient. I picked up mine for $4500 in November 2000. If you do purchase you will have to use the available blind lower mounting holes. A little tricky, but doable. I am very, very pleased with the engine and consider the price I got it for a real deal. Good luck...Bob M.
Bigshot	posted 07-29-2002 09:46 AM ET (US) Same engine with OMC electronics. Can use a Zuki or OMC prop, just need a different spacer. The engine weighs about 340, have no idea why they quote 359. My Montauk sits about 3/4 of an inch lower than it did with the 90 Yamaha....no biggie.....buy it.....love it......live it! As far as mounting goes, just jack it up on the transom an inch or so(ie: don't set it on transom). These engines like being up a bit and that allows you to get the bolts in. I run mine on a manual jackplate which adds even more weight and weight is NOT an issue with this setup. Top speed is about 39+ and I can run all weekend on 5 gallons of gas. I have just under 100 hours on mine since january and absolutely love it.
DaveIsaacs	posted 07-31-2002 11:52 AM ET (US) Like RWM, I have a 1979 Montauk. When I decide to repower, I will most likely get a 4-stroke. I have wondered about how the notch transom might affect mounting of a new engine. The way my current 1986 90HP Evinrude is mounted (before I owned it), I can't tell if the holes through the transom are "original". What are the "available blind lower mounting holes" RWM mentions? Is it possible my current engine is already using these blind holes? -Dave-
JFM	posted 07-31-2002 12:40 PM ET (US) Easy Dave, just look at your motor on the back of the transom. If you see 4 bolts through the engine mount then it's not blind. Blind is tapped on the side of the engine mount that you can't see from the back of the transom. So if you see 4 bolts through the inside and only 2 on the outside it's blind bolted. Regards, Jay
DaveIsaacs	posted 07-31-2002 01:27 PM ET (US) Thanks very much. I'm pretty sure I have four bolts visible from the outside, but I will have to check. Is it typical to that the existing holes will line up to allow the bolts to tap into the engine without me drilling new holes and filling some old? Another question: When I talked to a Suzuki dealer maybe a couple years ago, he told me I would have to change from my OMC binnacle mount throttle control to a Suzuki flavor. I think he also mentioned a new tach (I have a new OEM tach now and will have to check if it supports Suzuki). Does anyone know if buying the Evinrude flavor of the engine will save me from having to change out my old OMC binnacle mount throttle control and possibly save me from changing some other components as well? Knowing this would help me decide when it's time to repower. -Dave-
JFM	posted 07-31-2002 02:43 PM ET (US) Most holes will line up. If you really have a problem you can use a jack plate. In doing some checking it doesn't look like old vintage OMC controls will match new Evinrude (Suzuki). Regards, Jay