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BabySitter posted 07-29-2002 05:33 PM ET (US)
Is it a harebrained idea to use the bilge thru hull to pick up water for a raw water wash down ? I've got an electric bilge pump in the sump (off to the side) now and was thinking I could fab some sort of a press fit rubber sleeve to secure a thru hull bilge pump into the sump drain. Then if alot of water came in I could jerk out the 'raw water' pump and still have sump drain + bilge pump
Jay A posted 07-29-2002 06:14 PM ET (US)
Don't do it! The bilge pump is there for one reason only,to keep your vessel as dry as possible.X-tra usage will put a strain on the pump AND your battery. I Have 3 pumps on my boat. bilge,washdown and live well. the washdown pump is "water on demand".In other words,When the pump senses a release of pressure it activates the pump motor.When I let go of the spray handle,the pump shuts down. Get a washdown kit that is made for the job. Boat US has one made by Shurflo called "The Pro Blaster". The motor is completely waterproof and you can mount it in exposed areas. It sells for $139.99 well worth the price. Then fish "blood & guts" are history,and seagull crap too!
lhg posted 07-29-2002 08:15 PM ET (US)
You might rather convert one of the three 1 1/4" transom drains for the water pickup purpose. Could not be used at speed, however. You could also install another thru-hull in the floor sump area, in front of the drain tube. I believe the hulls are parallel in this area, so a bronze pickup could be inserted.
phatwhaler posted 07-30-2002 07:45 AM ET (US)
For what it's worth, I have had to replace my Shurflo "Pro Blaster" twice. Both times water got inside the can and the stator rusted to the sides of the magnets. I have since switched over to a Jabsco pump which is holding up so far.
phatwhaler out.
dauntlass 18 posted 07-30-2002 08:16 AM ET (US)
Both my Whalers have been factory equipped with a Atwood aerator pump.Ck Boat US catalogue for pic.The pump is made of a plastic materal and installs in hole drilled through hull.The Whaler I now own uses pump for both the bait well and as a raw water wash down they have a valve in water line to direct water to wash down hose fitting or to bait tank .I hope this helps you.
hooter posted 07-30-2002 08:26 AM ET (US)
Beg pardon, but keep it simple. Da freeboard on yer 18's plenty low enuf for ya to reach da water, unless yer inna wheelchair or built like Paul Prudhom. Why not jus keep a spare 5-gal. bucket on board. After ya skin dat shark all ova yer deck, throw a bucker er two o clean water back der, an' yer bilge'll pull out da slop. No motors to rust out and cuss at, cost less, an Momma has someplace to take da pause dat refreshes. TINK about it before ya go plunkin' down $139.
BabySitter posted 07-30-2002 05:45 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the input guys ... D18 that pump sounds like it might be the deal ... Hoot - I've been 'bucket' slooshing for 10 yrs in the Montauk and now 18 and it works great most of the time. In the summer particularly it is no problem ... autumn in 3'to 4' seas with the 5 curtains up, I'll be reaching through a slot between the rods and curtains and trying to hold on with the other hand.
Maybe a luxury, but sure would be nice to be able to hose down instead of 3 or 4 dips when a king spray paints the cockpit. Maybe I'll compromise and get one of those howitzer squirt guns the kids have these days. Of course the bucket would still be on board for 'necessities'
lhg posted 07-30-2002 06:52 PM ET (US)
The biggest mistake I made when ordering my 18 Outrage was to cheap out on the factory installed raw water washdown. I'm still regretting it, and wish I had one, especially when fishing.
bsmotril posted 07-31-2002 08:48 AM ET (US)
A well built vane pump will outlast the sure flo or the Attwood. Groco makes such a pump configured for washdown use. It is mounted to a piece of Polyethylene with a check valve on the intake side and pressure switch on the output side all plumbed together. The bonus is that the pump is rebuldable with replacable vanes, and the motor is rebuildable with replacable brushes. Groco makes good stuff and their pumps dominate the the commercial fishing boat market. It will cost more than your other choices, but you can later rebuild/repair versus replace. The model of the washdown unit is the C-60 i believe.
BillS
ewalsh posted 07-31-2002 01:04 PM ET (US)
On my (now sold) 89 20' Outrage the marina (Nauset, on the Cape) installed a raw water washdown.
The water pickup was accomplished by a hose than ran into an on/off valve (the kind with the arm the swings 90 deg.). The valve was then pressed into the through hull under the center fish box (closest to the console). It looked like the valve fit the through hull "just right" (a nice, clean, tight fit.
The supply hose was then run under the floor and up into the center console storage area (the hose was not visable above decks).
The pump was mounted in the CC and the output hose terminated on the starboard side of the CC, next to the fire extinguisher.
Ed

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Author	Topic: 18' Outrage raw water washdown
BabySitter	posted 07-29-2002 05:33 PM ET (US) Is it a harebrained idea to use the bilge thru hull to pick up water for a raw water wash down ? I've got an electric bilge pump in the sump (off to the side) now and was thinking I could fab some sort of a press fit rubber sleeve to secure a thru hull bilge pump into the sump drain. Then if alot of water came in I could jerk out the 'raw water' pump and still have sump drain + bilge pump
Jay A	posted 07-29-2002 06:14 PM ET (US) Don't do it! The bilge pump is there for one reason only,to keep your vessel as dry as possible.X-tra usage will put a strain on the pump AND your battery. I Have 3 pumps on my boat. bilge,washdown and live well. the washdown pump is "water on demand".In other words,When the pump senses a release of pressure it activates the pump motor.When I let go of the spray handle,the pump shuts down. Get a washdown kit that is made for the job. Boat US has one made by Shurflo called "The Pro Blaster". The motor is completely waterproof and you can mount it in exposed areas. It sells for $139.99 well worth the price. Then fish "blood & guts" are history,and seagull crap too!
lhg	posted 07-29-2002 08:15 PM ET (US) You might rather convert one of the three 1 1/4" transom drains for the water pickup purpose. Could not be used at speed, however. You could also install another thru-hull in the floor sump area, in front of the drain tube. I believe the hulls are parallel in this area, so a bronze pickup could be inserted.
phatwhaler	posted 07-30-2002 07:45 AM ET (US) For what it's worth, I have had to replace my Shurflo "Pro Blaster" twice. Both times water got inside the can and the stator rusted to the sides of the magnets. I have since switched over to a Jabsco pump which is holding up so far. phatwhaler out.
dauntlass 18	posted 07-30-2002 08:16 AM ET (US) Both my Whalers have been factory equipped with a Atwood aerator pump.Ck Boat US catalogue for pic.The pump is made of a plastic materal and installs in hole drilled through hull.The Whaler I now own uses pump for both the bait well and as a raw water wash down they have a valve in water line to direct water to wash down hose fitting or to bait tank .I hope this helps you.
hooter	posted 07-30-2002 08:26 AM ET (US) Beg pardon, but keep it simple. Da freeboard on yer 18's plenty low enuf for ya to reach da water, unless yer inna wheelchair or built like Paul Prudhom. Why not jus keep a spare 5-gal. bucket on board. After ya skin dat shark all ova yer deck, throw a bucker er two o clean water back der, an' yer bilge'll pull out da slop. No motors to rust out and cuss at, cost less, an Momma has someplace to take da pause dat refreshes. TINK about it before ya go plunkin' down $139.
BabySitter	posted 07-30-2002 05:45 PM ET (US) Thanks for the input guys ... D18 that pump sounds like it might be the deal ... Hoot - I've been 'bucket' slooshing for 10 yrs in the Montauk and now 18 and it works great most of the time. In the summer particularly it is no problem ... autumn in 3'to 4' seas with the 5 curtains up, I'll be reaching through a slot between the rods and curtains and trying to hold on with the other hand. Maybe a luxury, but sure would be nice to be able to hose down instead of 3 or 4 dips when a king spray paints the cockpit. Maybe I'll compromise and get one of those howitzer squirt guns the kids have these days. Of course the bucket would still be on board for 'necessities'
lhg	posted 07-30-2002 06:52 PM ET (US) The biggest mistake I made when ordering my 18 Outrage was to cheap out on the factory installed raw water washdown. I'm still regretting it, and wish I had one, especially when fishing.
bsmotril	posted 07-31-2002 08:48 AM ET (US) A well built vane pump will outlast the sure flo or the Attwood. Groco makes such a pump configured for washdown use. It is mounted to a piece of Polyethylene with a check valve on the intake side and pressure switch on the output side all plumbed together. The bonus is that the pump is rebuldable with replacable vanes, and the motor is rebuildable with replacable brushes. Groco makes good stuff and their pumps dominate the the commercial fishing boat market. It will cost more than your other choices, but you can later rebuild/repair versus replace. The model of the washdown unit is the C-60 i believe. BillS
ewalsh	posted 07-31-2002 01:04 PM ET (US) On my (now sold) 89 20' Outrage the marina (Nauset, on the Cape) installed a raw water washdown. The water pickup was accomplished by a hose than ran into an on/off valve (the kind with the arm the swings 90 deg.). The valve was then pressed into the through hull under the center fish box (closest to the console). It looked like the valve fit the through hull "just right" (a nice, clean, tight fit. The supply hose was then run under the floor and up into the center console storage area (the hose was not visable above decks). The pump was mounted in the CC and the output hose terminated on the starboard side of the CC, next to the fire extinguisher. Ed